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Police Chief Uses Unique Method To Control Homeless Population
CBS Sacramento ^ | November 16, 2012 12:07 AM | Maria Medina

Posted on 11/16/2012 5:52:32 PM PST by null and void

NEVADA CITY (CBS13) – A police chief says he’s found a one-of-a-kind way to manage a growing problem in his city, and it’s putting the homeless on the hot seat.

A new law would give Nevada City the power to hand out permits to a small group of homeless, which would give them permission to sleep in public. While the new ordinance would give some homeless a place to stay, it would tell others, mostly the troublemakers and the criminals, to stay away.

“I come down here every fall,” said Bob Barton, who chooses to be homeless in Nevada City.

For Barton, the new ordinance that would essentially identify law-abiding homeless and reward them is music to his ears.

“The goal is to start managing the homeless population within our city,” said Chief James Wickham.

Wickham asked council members to pass a no-camping ordinance.

“It just basically means you can’t set up a tent. You can’t live in your vehicle. You can’t live in the woods in Nevada City,” he said.

That is unless you have a permit.

The chief says his program is one of a kind, making only a select few of the city’s homeless population an exception to the law, like William Peach.

“There’s some of us out there like me who try to blend in with the community,” said Peach.

However, others who come to Nevada City to commit crimes or with a criminal history won’t be so lucky.

“Those are the ones we really don’t want in our city and that we’re trying to keep from camping in our city,” said Wickham.

“We’ve seen a huge upsurge in homeless people,” Teresa Mann said.

Mann, who owns a business in downtown, says it’s about time. And so do the homeless who stay out of trouble and want trouble to stay away.

“If they’re homeless and heartless, hey, we got a place for them,” said James, who is homeless. “It’s called county jail.”

For now, the police chief will give out about six to 10 permits. He’ll check back in six months to see if the program is working. If it is, that’s when he says he’ll give out more.

Wickham says he’s identified at least 60 homeless in his community, and 500 homeless countywide.


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I expect the homeless will disappear entirely in the next few years.

They no longer need to be alive to vote, and think of all the money we can skim save...

1 posted on 11/16/2012 5:52:38 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void

“we” being democrat politicians and their enablers.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 5:53:25 PM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: null and void

Well this ought to look interesting. Bet it’s not as easy to supervise as they think.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 5:54:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: null and void

And I won’t even comment on a man who has identified 60 homeless but will only issue 6 to 10 permits.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 5:55:20 PM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: null and void; onyx; Jim Robinson; Slings and Arrows; DoughtyOne

Damn.

I have mixed feelings here. A good bunch of the unemployed are our kids, neighbors, friends too... Christian charity, of the original version, tells us we can’t turn our back on them, doesn’t it?

What a shitty deal this can be for families. I’m not talking about the freeloader, occupy, food-stamp first crowd. I’m talking about the 25 million who are out of work, and are looking for work.

What the hell to do about our brothers and sisters who have involuntarily succumbed to the marxist economy?

I’m not talking about any goobermint program here. I’m talking about local Christian compassion. I’m not sure I can side with any elected ‘official’ granting permits for the downtrodden to exist.

Yah. I’ve got a problem with this, and I ain’t no bleedin heart.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 6:06:23 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: null and void

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2016:19-26&version=KJV

Luke 16:19-26

King James Version (KJV)

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 6:09:31 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: null and void

There is no homeless problem until we have a republican president


7 posted on 11/16/2012 6:13:33 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
There is no homeless problem until we have a republican president

As James Taranto continually points out...

8 posted on 11/16/2012 6:20:27 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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“We’ve seen a huge upsurge in homeless people,” Teresa Mann said.

Yeah. That happened in the last Great Depression, too.

9 posted on 11/16/2012 6:29:24 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: null and void

This is actually a pretty sensible way to do this, for several reasons.

To start with, groups of homeless usually self segregate, based on age, friendships and animosities. These groups self limit by size as well, as too many people in a group are harder to provide for, and make too much noise and garbage and attract the eye.

They want to camp out of the flow of traffic, where they won’t be disturbed or even observed by others. Ideally there is an ill used, low maintenance public restroom around for them to get drinking water, wash themselves and their clothes, use the toilets and dispose of their waste in bins.

During daylight hours they spend a lot of time trying to get food and clothing. Since cheap food is not often very healthy, many of the young ones try to be vegetarian when possible, so grocery store “dumpster dive” looking for discarded vegetables, fruits and breads, which can be in abundance, often still on individual racks, because grocery stores often discard huge amounts of still good but no longer premium produce and bread. For example, a rack of 10 pounds of strawberries because half a dozen of them with mold, so they pitch the whole rack.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 6:37:01 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: glock rocks
I'm having trouble with this story to. What does giving out permits do? Drive those without a permit, possibly criminal, from my town to yours? What does that solve?

Will there be a new shiny office of Homeless Permits, with a lifelong bureaucrat with a cushy retirement awaiting him? How about take that money and help the actual homeless?

If there are families, mentally ill and others that can't work, where's their Obama stuff? Not that I'm for Obama’s huge entitlement spending, but he's spending it, so why isn't he actually helping the people most in need? Nobody needs a free phone, welfare and HUD housing when they can work, yet it seems those truly in need are homeless, while those perfectly capable are standing in line for their free stuff. Even before the Depression, my Great grandmother's husband walked out on her. She sold everything they had and bought a smaller house and arranged the rooms so that she could rent them out, cook and do the laundry of her borders. She did this to survive on her own. When she passed away she left three homes to her children that they remodeled into single family homes after the Depression. She didn't get a free phone, welfare or Obamacare. Her borders needed her as much as she needed them. And she didn't leave her family a legacy of dependency but one of look how I was abandoned and ended up owning three houses!

11 posted on 11/16/2012 6:43:52 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: null and void

When I was a veteran’s representative at an Iowa unemployment office we would bus the homeless (one-way) to places like Miami and Phoenix. We had a lot of homeless because we were at the intersection of I35 and I80.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 7:10:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: null and void

You have to have a permit to be homeless. Just tattoo the permit number on their forearms.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 7:16:59 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: null and void
“It just basically means you can’t set up a tent. You can’t live in your vehicle. You can’t live in the woods in Nevada City,” he said.

Hasn't Rush called the homeless urban outdoorsmen?

14 posted on 11/16/2012 7:42:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: bigheadfred

So if you cannot pay the permit application fee, does this mean you go to jail to live off the county?


15 posted on 11/16/2012 7:47:49 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: null and void

So you won’t be “homeless” after they run out of permits in Nevada County? What a great way to drive homelessness down. Each year simply issue less permits than the year before. In a few short years — POOF! — no more homeless bums.

Reminds me of Obama energy policy. Simply dream of windmills, solar panels, and EVs, spread $100 billion around to your cronies and — POOF! — magically new markets appear employing hundreds of thousands of people.

Liberals are brain-dead.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 8:15:42 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: MacMattico; DoughtyOne

Thank you. It’s nice to have intelligent conversation (on FR, or anywhere, these days).


17 posted on 11/16/2012 8:19:21 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

How long before they start issuing permits to the non-homeless allowing them to live in a community?

Papers please!


18 posted on 11/16/2012 8:24:01 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Delta Dawn

Oh, we’re there.

I just got my property tax notice, $400 higher than last year. It’s not like I don’t have to buy my way back in to the community, every year...

Oh, and my dogs, and trucks, and ...

Damn, isn’t it nice to be accepted in your community? Yeesh. I’m not too sure I can afford such acceptance.


19 posted on 11/16/2012 8:33:21 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

First of all, who are these homeless? Retired folks who don’t want the responsibility of a home or apartment? People who get drunk from begging on the street? If youngsters are homeless, they should live with relatives and put up with it. Anyone concerned about the homeless should mingle among them; figure out who really needs help and then contact the salvation army or a local church or just gather money from your paycheck with some more from friends and family to help them.


20 posted on 11/16/2012 9:37:14 PM PST by Ecliptic (.)
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To: null and void

What ever happened to vagrancy laws?


21 posted on 11/16/2012 9:50:07 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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Interesting. If I recall correctly Nevada City was used for all the exterior shots in the old Andy hardy film series made in the 1930’s. It was selected as it had the perfect wholesome ‘anytown America ‘ look.
22 posted on 11/16/2012 10:21:23 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Ecliptic; Travis McGee; Squantos; Pete-R-Bilt; humblegunner

Absolutely... then kick the rest to the gallows: those who have no family left (oh, like, say me), those who have no one to turn to.

If you are fortunate to have an extended family to support you, well, God bless you.

Just perhaps, sometimes, things don’t turn out the way you didn’t expect. (That isn’t a typo.)

If your job went tits up 9 months ago, would you be pushing the same “help me, Salvation Army, my church, my, um, help me?...” line?

No, get in line, no, that line.

And you will.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 10:40:38 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

Apparently, this city has been inundated with criminal activity from migrating homeless transients every year. The article doesn’t mention age. I’m not against the authority’s attempt to rid their town of the criminal element, but I share your concerns for those caught in the Marxist’s unconscionable economy.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 10:42:27 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

You know the “authority” will find no distinction.

Sad.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 10:50:36 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

Some are born hobos and like it. Others have vagabondage thrust upon them. Of these the “one paycheck away from the streets” guy or family is rare, and if they do exist they don’t stay hobos for long. Because normal people avoid it like death.

Most are alcoholics, junkies, and crazies whom we support in their crapulence.


26 posted on 11/16/2012 10:51:40 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: glock rocks

By the way, the only difference between gubmint and private charity, aside from the latter being voluntary, is scale. This form of private charity is deleterious for the same reason are all Poor Laws: it creates more poverty.

Wanna know why? Read Malthus.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 10:56:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: glock rocks

I could be wrong, but I garnered from the article that the sheriff planned to run background checks for criminal records.

Seemed to me like the town had a returning group of the same homeless transients each year.

I can’t imagine why. The weather in that area isn’t warm!


28 posted on 11/16/2012 11:01:32 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Tublecane

My parish helps those in need.

This effort will be overrun, sadly.

Maybe if you think, real hard, you can come up with a reason. It might have something to do with the economy being torpedoed by marxists... or perhaps you have a better explanation based on slackers?

Okay, the slackers are the problem.

Now then, what do we do about the persons actually looking for a job, you know, work.

No FReekin subtleties here... those, I will assist.

Just sayin.


29 posted on 11/16/2012 11:09:53 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

I understand the charitable instinct. It seems good, and on a person to person level and in particular cases it might be a positively good thing. But we’re talking about the Homeless Problem, here, not your personal giving or not giving. Concerning the extended economic order as a whole charity is damaging. It always, always, always created mire poverty than it started out with. Because it encourages people at the margins to qualify fir derbies instead of struggling on their own.

This is a universal phenomenon. Like I said, the only thing that makes government welfare worse is its scale. Private charity has the advantage of only encouraging so much poverty.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 11:20:46 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: glock rocks

That’s freebies, not derbies.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 11:21:50 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: onyx

If they have outstanding warrants, lock em up!

If they don’t, buy them and their family dinner.

It’s the thing to do. All homeless aren’t bottom feeders.

We’re living an Alfred Hitchcock movie now.

Lord bless and save us all.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 11:30:12 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: Tublecane
the only thing that makes government welfare worse is its scale. Private charity has the advantage of only encouraging so much poverty.

Are you telling us that Christian charity, in our local parish, encourages poverty?

Okay, I'd best throw our outgrown clothing, and excess food in the dumpster, rather than sending it to St Vincent's... rather than encourage these homeless parasites.

I only hope y'all can take a moment to understand that there are a few of the newly found homeless who aren't parasites. These folks being the futureless, the newly unemployed - up to this point - hard workers. You know, Obama's newly potential bitches.

33 posted on 11/16/2012 11:55:00 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: null and void
And I won’t even comment on a man who has identified 60 homeless but will only issue 6 to 10 permits.

Probably not as cold-hearted as you seem to be presuming (if I read your post right). From the article: “I come down here every fall,” said Bob Barton, who chooses to be homeless in Nevada City.

A number of "homeless" are that way by decision and seem to have the means to travel to their "vacation" spots. Catering to them is akin to Zero running Spanish ads in Mexico explaining how illegals can come into our country and get on food stamps...

34 posted on 11/17/2012 3:38:51 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Ecliptic
First of all, who are these homeless? Retired folks who don’t want the responsibility of a home or apartment? People who get drunk from begging on the street? If youngsters are homeless, they should live with relatives and put up with it. Anyone concerned about the homeless should mingle among them; figure out who really needs help and then contact the salvation army or a local church or just gather money from your paycheck with some more from friends and family to help them.

Ten years ago my house was a crash pad for a bunch of homeless.

Been there done that. And the stories posted on the old Freoples/Dimensional Door threads are legendary...

35 posted on 11/17/2012 6:19:58 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: Cvengr
So if you cannot pay the permit application fee, does this mean you go to jail to live off the county?

Ultimately?

Under this regime?

It means you will be resettled in the air.

As smoke.

36 posted on 11/17/2012 6:23:28 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: glock rocks
If your job went tits up 9 months ago,

5 years for me. Know anyone looking for a really sharp wafer fab engineer?

37 posted on 11/17/2012 6:25:58 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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I lived for 12 years just south of Nevada City. I had clients in Nevada City.

They will be allowed to ‘sleep in public’.....

Nevada City is a big tourist place, but a very small town. Main street is the biggest tourist attraction. If these people start sleeping on the sidewalks in front of those businesses, thie businesses owners won’t be happy.

If they drift off away from Main Street, then they will be on PRIVATE PROPERTY. There are lots of retired people in Nevada City. They won’t be comfortable with homeless people sleeping on their sidewalks, or trying to get into garages, etc. Where are they going to have bathroom priviledges? This won’t end well, IMO.

In the winter-—which is already knocking on the door in Nevada City, I have seen one snowfall bring as much as 2-3 feet of snow & paralyze the town. It looked spectacular, but it took 5 days to get all the streets open. Streets are narrow & the town dates back to the 1849 Gold Rush days.

This will not solve the problems, IMO. But I do like the fact that the authorities are doing criminal background checks. Those who know they will get caught in that net will just continue to camp in the woods.

In N San Juan, north of Nevada City, the pot growers have completely taken over that part of the Tahoe National Forest. You cannot ride horseback or hike there any more. You will get shot at. Even the Sheriff of nevada County won’t send deputies into N San Juan.


38 posted on 11/17/2012 10:05:05 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: null and void

;)!


39 posted on 11/17/2012 12:26:15 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

How long before some jerk-water legal group sues the city for discrimination?


40 posted on 11/17/2012 12:35:31 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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