Skip to comments.What seceding from the U.S. will cost you
Posted on 11/17/2012 11:02:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Your state wants to secede from the union. What will this mean for your taxes?
I have good news and bad news. The good news is really good. But the bad news is really, really bad.
Well get to them in a moment.
Talk of secession is in the air. The White House this week confirmed that residents in all fifty states had submitted petitions asking to leave the union. Will the last one left please turn out the lights?
Residents in seven states, all in the former Confederacy, submitted more than 30,000 signatures each enough that some hapless bureaucrat or intern will now have to take a look at their petitions.
The news comes 150 years after the Civil War, and just in time for Steve Spielbergs biopic of Abraham Lincoln, the man whom we have to thank if thats the word I want for the continued forcible marriage of the once-independent states.
Its only a couple of years since Texas governor Rick Perry hoisted a rhetorical secessionist flag in response to Obamacare. In the last few years, anti-federal 10th Amendment resolutions, emphasizing the primacy of states rights versus those of the union, have passed the legislatures of 12 states in the South and West. In five states, the governors signed them, too. (The 10th Amendment to the Constitution says states rights come before those of the federal government. The last time anyone in Washington actually paid attention to it, the ink was still wet.)
But what would any of this actually mean for your taxes?
The upside is you will be liberated from the sheer living hell of the federal tax code.
I dont care where you live, and how badly run your local state government is. Nothing could be worse than this monstrosity.
(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...
It would cost me all those blue states.
Ain’t that tragic?
Didn't Barack Obama have some allegiance with the persons in Hawaii who want to secede?
Zero would just imagine that he’s the reincarnation of Lincoln...trying to protect the blacks (and gays, lesbians, transgender, muslims, hispanics, poor,urban etc) and save the union. The press would totally agree.
We who want out would be portrayed as selfish racist traitors and our weapons would be confiscated.
Come to think of it zero might welcome this event.
He’s assuming all social programs will continue to function the same and pay the parasites the same, they won’t. Get rid of federally mandated social engineering programs and a lot of overhead goes away. What about the people getting the checks you say? Tell them to get a job, stop spitting out kids as a single welfare parent, or move to somewhere that still wants to support you, or die. Would take few years but the problem would solve itself. Alambama could support itself quite well without the federal government if they were willing to take a “tough love” approach to fiscal responsibility.
I’ve always thought that positioning was part of the reason for these absurd ‘petitions’ emanating from the fedgov.
You are right on target.
Who pays for social security retirement benefits or military retirement pay?
quote “Thats because your state receives far more back from Uncle Sam in government spending than you pay in federal taxes. If you go it alone, youll have to make up the difference yourselves. “
Because we would stop paying for most of the crap the federal government does. Those states the article mentions that receive so much more in federal assistance than the rest of the nation... just happen to have the largest percentage of blacks, which disproportionately use welfare and over federal government handouts.
If we seceeded. We would STOP all those welfare payments to those groups causing them to.... flee to the North where they can once again be happy on the plantation having their every want taken care of including free Obama-phones!
It would have some appeal for a state like Texas, or Florida or any coastal state with resources or tourism. North Dakota, flush with energy $$, while landlocked, might find it appealing.
The hard part would be unbundling all the federal infrastructure investments and figuring out what would have to be paid to Washington D.C. as an exit fee. Probably not worth the exercise.
Rather than secession I would think that there could be some rationalizing of state boundaries, and consolidation of several Northeastern states. The UP of Michigan belongs with Wisconsin, probably the panhandle of FL should be southern Alabama.
But that too is a pointless thought experiment, since political boundaries, however drawn, become entrenched. Atlanta, the city of and the metro area of are perfect examples. There should be a metro area government, essentially a super county, made up of 8-10 of the counties in the present metro area. But the City of Atlanta would never cede power. Never going to happen.
It would cost me my Social Security which I paid into all those working years. I even kinda personally feel like there’s some small compensation in there for my service in Vietnam, on which the liberals pulled the plug in the certainty of victory we would otherwise have acheived there.
But, no secession for me today, thanks.
The entire misanthropic "environmental" movement is a thinly-disguised propaganda campaign to get US citizens to accept that they are bad for Mother Earth, and that the best thing that could happen to Mother Earth is for them to do the right thing and die.
Government services like the EPA stopping you from improving your land or the FDA telling you which medicine you cannot have. Most "government services" are imposed by force, and Free people do not want them.
Is THIS how America dies??
You know... honestly.... I think busting the United States up into about 3 or 4 provinces probably makes a lot of sense in this day and age.
It would cost me about 750,000 illegal aliens that would leave the State once no free money was available.
How likely is it that downscale Texans or Southerners would forever let their vote be determined by animosity for those across the Northern border? If you don't have the usual suspects to vote against, things can change pretty quickly.
Also, some people assume that a seceding state or region (or what remains of the rest of the country) would see an economic boom due to the break-up. I suspect the result of secession and disunion would be to make all the successor states economic backwaters, as investment flows to greener pastures abroad.
If you owed firearms, and truly believed in the letter and intent of the 2nd Amendment, you wouldn't even think of uttering such a defeatist comment.
Armed US citizens: roughly 90 million
US Armed forces: roughly 600,000
Do the math.