Skip to comments.Secession? Let THEM Secede.
Posted on 11/17/2012 3:30:30 PM PST by RightOnline
Since the November 6, 2012 elections, resulting in significant Democrat Party gains (including keeping the White House), talk of secession has become rather serious.
Such talk has been around for years. Travel to Alaska (I admit it's been years since I have been there, but I've visited courtesy of Uncle Sam three times) and you'll see secessionist literature everywhere...diners, wherever people gather. To a lesser extent, this has been true in Texas, as well (lived there for years). Alaska and Texas are admittedly the two most independent-minded States in our nation.
Now....such talk isn't relegated to the pioneer-minded, two largest States. No fewer than 30 States have had citizens collecting, and submitting to an obscure White House-controlled Web site, petitions seeking peaceful secession. The numbers are growing; the anger and frustration are palpable.
I am sensing what divorce proceedings deem "irreconcilable differences" in our nation. Many have tried to define the "sides" in this: black and brown vs. white.....haves and have-nots.....makers and takers.....taxpayers and those who suck off of the taxpayers, ad infinitum.
Let's take yet another look at the electoral map, by county, from November 6th. As if anyone here isn't aware, red designates Republican majority (votes-wise), blue designates Democrat.
What does such a map really say about us, our country, our citizenry....and who's calling the shots in these elections? Look very closely.
I certainly do not claim to be a professional analyst of such things, but I will say here what this map screams to me.
Our country is now run by Democrat-run, large cities...on the coasts and in the upper-Midwest. Northern New England is a write-off (must be something about the cold). Let's now add what can clearly be seen, across the South, as what I will refer to here as "The Black Belt". Add to these the areas in the Southwest that are dominated by Hispanics and Native Americans.
The overwhelming majority of these counties across the U.S., setting the above aside, voted Republican.
I was chastised recently for referring to our current political situation as "tyranny of the few", with the offended party quoting electoral vote counts, etc.
I stand by it. It IS tyranny of the few, in easily identifiable places. Clear as a bell. These little pockets of blue hold huge numbers of people under Democrat rule, living off of red-Staters' largesse via Uncle Sam.
Secede? No.....we don't need to secede. We need to isolate these areas....politically. Economically? Not nearly so easy and, I submit, not quite as necessary....but it can be done to an extent that gets their attention.
Looking to build a business? Get out of those blue areas. Looking to vacation? Avoid those blue areas (many depend HEAVILY on tourism). Politically? Focus on hearts-and-minds campaigns where they may work.....particularly the Southwest (e.g. heavy Hispanic, Native American populations) and even rural blacks. Reach out to them; EDUCATE them on what a wonderful country we do still have. Give them something to support....something to vote for from this point forward. Appeal to their patriotism; their desire to better themselves and their families.....and most of all, to their faith.
These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.
The military.....former military leaders, spec ops guys, etc.....are well aware of how to isolate such pockets of trouble and resistance. Let's learn from them; use their hard-earned experience and lessons to isolate our foes.
No, you don't move to a new country to avoid the cancer in your body. You fight it by isolating it, focusing on it, using chemotherapy or homeopathic treatments....anything to stop and reverse the cancerous growth.
Just my humble opinion, my FRiends....but I believe that is the answer, not the breaking up of what is still a great nation.
Practically speaking THEY already did.
...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...
When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of the lawlessness that has greatly manifested itself in the highest offices they have withdrawn their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.
Those red counties, doesnt mean that they are all red, just 51 percent or more. Those blue counties, doesnt mean that they are all blue, but usually more than 51%....right up to 100%.
This is not a clear picture.
They won’t secede. We are the host bodies. They are the bloodsucking ticks. They feed on our lifeblood. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. One way or another.
good point. we are better armed, after all.
Arizona, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi look scary with all the blue within their borders. I guess Arizona especially.
My vote is to make it so that you are either a land owner or own a business,(as is those that pay to bills) to be eligible to vote.
There used to be a saying, “He who pays control me”. But unfortunately, it has become, “He who receives controls me.”
“Our country is now run by Democrat-run, large cities...on the coasts and in the upper-Midwest.”
The map clearly shows this. It is striking that it is cities with Ghetto voters than lean Dem and entitlement state. I no longer believe in universal suffrage. I don’t care about one’s race or skin color...but strongly question if persons living in ghettos (that don’t pay income tax) should even be allowed to vote. I wonder if all those that paid no income tax in the past few years (not talking about the retired worker...but folks that do not work nor desire to) had not been allowed to vote....how would it have affected the election???
I am also questioning IF voters under 18 (not serving in the military) should be voting? It was a mistake in 1971 to lower the national voting age to 18.
“These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.”
They are properly called Ghettos!
Agreed that the map you posted isn’t indicative of what it really looks like in this country. See below:
Wait, every state has the right to petition the federal government, every citizen has the right to petition the federal government..if they no long wish to be part of the United States, let them step away and be an independent country.
After all we are just fifty countries/states bound together for common defense. (Well, in the old days anyway)
I am trying to figure out why so called conservatives are more upset about this issue than liberals are.
The blue sections in AZ shouldn’t disturb you too much. For the most part those are Indian reservations. Vast tracts of land with very few people living there. The dark blue section in the north includes Flagstaff and the one in the south includes Phoenix and Tucson so they have the city-lib vote adding to the Indian vote.
Maybe because the conservatives are paying a disproportionate share of expenses?
Just one problem with this theory.
On average, blue states pay more to the federal government than they receive in services, while of course on average red states take in more than they pay out.
This is primarily because blue states on average are wealthier than red states.
I have no idea how such an analysis would play out on the county level.
Those areas are the smelly sewer of the Country. Full of communists and pot heads. They have no loyalty to America but to their greed and willingness to steal from the rest of America.
That wont change, whether the state is independent of the USA or not.
Besides liberals will not stay in a state that secede....they will be feared they wont get their free phone.
I seriously believe it would be in the interest of both parties to go their separate ways; I think they would be better off without the encumbrance of what liberals call the "enemy". They truly hate conservatives more than radical muslims, communists, and dictators.
Conservatives cannot fathom how liberals expect the nation to function, nay survive, if they continue to take more and more and more from the producers and just hand it over to the lazy (after passing through government hands, of course!).
Conservatives cannot understand why liberals do not want to defend this country instead of tearing it down at every opportunity. So I say give the liberals a nation of their own and let them tear it down. You know it won't last long.
Give them the UN, let them take away all gun rights, put everyone not a certified millionaire on welfare, tax the bejeezus out of the remaining millionaires (and watch said millionaires flee the liberal nation), and see how long it all lasts.
Conservatives can then get their own nation with undeniable gun and property ownership rights, a compliant small government, a judiciary under the thumb of the people (instead of the way it is now), an uncorrupt electoral process, and very free people with low crime rate.
Doomed to fail, because you neglected to deal with that 19th Amendment thing.
Include that and I'm with you 100%.
I am curious how you plan to get a universal suffrage electorate to vote to disenfranchise a large percentage of itself.