Skip to comments.Secession? Let THEM Secede.
Posted on 11/17/2012 3:30:30 PM PST by RightOnline
Since the November 6, 2012 elections, resulting in significant Democrat Party gains (including keeping the White House), talk of secession has become rather serious.
Such talk has been around for years. Travel to Alaska (I admit it's been years since I have been there, but I've visited courtesy of Uncle Sam three times) and you'll see secessionist literature everywhere...diners, wherever people gather. To a lesser extent, this has been true in Texas, as well (lived there for years). Alaska and Texas are admittedly the two most independent-minded States in our nation.
Now....such talk isn't relegated to the pioneer-minded, two largest States. No fewer than 30 States have had citizens collecting, and submitting to an obscure White House-controlled Web site, petitions seeking peaceful secession. The numbers are growing; the anger and frustration are palpable.
I am sensing what divorce proceedings deem "irreconcilable differences" in our nation. Many have tried to define the "sides" in this: black and brown vs. white.....haves and have-nots.....makers and takers.....taxpayers and those who suck off of the taxpayers, ad infinitum.
Let's take yet another look at the electoral map, by county, from November 6th. As if anyone here isn't aware, red designates Republican majority (votes-wise), blue designates Democrat.
What does such a map really say about us, our country, our citizenry....and who's calling the shots in these elections? Look very closely.
I certainly do not claim to be a professional analyst of such things, but I will say here what this map screams to me.
Our country is now run by Democrat-run, large cities...on the coasts and in the upper-Midwest. Northern New England is a write-off (must be something about the cold). Let's now add what can clearly be seen, across the South, as what I will refer to here as "The Black Belt". Add to these the areas in the Southwest that are dominated by Hispanics and Native Americans.
The overwhelming majority of these counties across the U.S., setting the above aside, voted Republican.
I was chastised recently for referring to our current political situation as "tyranny of the few", with the offended party quoting electoral vote counts, etc.
I stand by it. It IS tyranny of the few, in easily identifiable places. Clear as a bell. These little pockets of blue hold huge numbers of people under Democrat rule, living off of red-Staters' largesse via Uncle Sam.
Secede? No.....we don't need to secede. We need to isolate these areas....politically. Economically? Not nearly so easy and, I submit, not quite as necessary....but it can be done to an extent that gets their attention.
Looking to build a business? Get out of those blue areas. Looking to vacation? Avoid those blue areas (many depend HEAVILY on tourism). Politically? Focus on hearts-and-minds campaigns where they may work.....particularly the Southwest (e.g. heavy Hispanic, Native American populations) and even rural blacks. Reach out to them; EDUCATE them on what a wonderful country we do still have. Give them something to support....something to vote for from this point forward. Appeal to their patriotism; their desire to better themselves and their families.....and most of all, to their faith.
These corrupt, Democrat-controlled sewers are dictating to the rest of us via sheer, concentrated numbers in highly compressed areas.
The military.....former military leaders, spec ops guys, etc.....are well aware of how to isolate such pockets of trouble and resistance. Let's learn from them; use their hard-earned experience and lessons to isolate our foes.
No, you don't move to a new country to avoid the cancer in your body. You fight it by isolating it, focusing on it, using chemotherapy or homeopathic treatments....anything to stop and reverse the cancerous growth.
Just my humble opinion, my FRiends....but I believe that is the answer, not the breaking up of what is still a great nation.
You can’t cut them out and target them as the author indicated. As long as there is a federal government that is willing and able to take whatever it wants from those of us who are productive in order to feed the parasites we will always be the losers. Secede and throw out the leeches.
Why would they get out of their hammocks? They are in control. They've shown they can rig an election, so there is no stopping them without violence or secession.
You are 100% correct.
I live in a county where the city is run my the Bolsheviks and the county government is run by Republicans. Would seem that most places are like that.
Thing to to do isolate the cities...and let them starve for cash.
I discovered this morning 900,000 people have left The Peoples Republic of Illinois over the last 15 years. I am soon to be another one.
There are lots of sources if you look for them. The problem is that as you might expect most of those writing about this are liberal, so if you reference one here, it is automatically dismissed. Conservatives, for fairly obvious reasons, are a lot more likely to talk about the higher average giving to charity by conservatives, etc. The above reference is at least not Slate or Huffpo.
But it isn’t hard to track down the amount of federal taxes paid by each state versus the amount of federal money expended in each state for yourself.
Comparisons are subject to all sorts of games, of course. Do you count in federal expenditures for defense contracts, for instance? What about military payrolls? Bases, largely for climate reasons, are mostly located in the South.
As a Texan, we have a bit of history on this issue.
If we can keep ALL the revenue we generate at home, this could work. If we are already locked into all the energy , IT, ETC...revenue going to a corporate HQ in another state, this could be tough...
If we can rectify that,I think it could be doable, but I still have 1 concern....
We have issues securing the Mexican border.
What shall we do when the border is Mexico, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Louisiana, and Arkansas?
No wrong answer, I am just posing the question.
God Bless TX
You are right about the blue states paying more in. One has to remember that the finance sectors and a lot of manufacturing is still in very blue state areas. Agriculture does not make nearly as much income per capita as the other sectors per capita.
Now, a lot of the manufacturing is moving to red states and this will change. Finance will likely be centered in the blue states for a long time.
However think about this in terms of production, not income. Wall street doesn’t produce anything (just income).
I think the red states need to focus on increasing their manufacturing capability, although this will be very tough in the current politcal climate and with the croney capitalism that places like detroit enjoy. However, if we have more manufacturing capability then if the fecal material hits the fan we will have more options.
Remember, in 1861 there wasn’t a single cannon foundry in the South.
I quite agree that taxes out versus payments in doesn’t capture the whole story of who is paying for what.
But does put at least a significant dent in the notion that red states are financially supporting the blue states.
Free people do not want those government services (EPA, FDA, etc.). They are imposed on the red states.
And a big part of it is welfare to Southern blacks to keep them as a permanent underclass of welfare queens.
The blue band in AL includes Montgomery, Selma.and West AL.....large rural black population....not much to worry about. AL is comfortably Red.
The blue is a map of the cancer cells killing America
I think we are on the same page. My opinion is that we need to do whatever it takes to get those manufacturing jobs and infrastructure out of the blue states and into the red states, also if we could get an entertainment/news industry centered in Texas instead of California it could help us in education of the masses.
Speaking of education- we need some governors with sturdy spines to try and fix the educational system.
We need to be thinking 40 years out instead of four. Even if the nation goes into collapse before we can turn it around, we will at least have an infrastructure to rebuild.
“Arizona, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi look scary with all the blue within their borders. I guess Arizona especially.”
Thomas Chittum wrote about such things in his prescient book, “Civil War II”...
Umm...Wasn’t this tried & decided back in the Civil War? Just sayin’...
How about anyone who ghcdets a check from the government cannot v
Harry Truman, when asked about lowering the voting age to 18, replied, it would make more sense to raise it to 25. Harry was absolutely correct.
With all due respect, did you actually read what I wrote for this post?
This is an interesting map, but I wonder how close to reality it is. It shows Joe Wilson’s South Carolina district #2 as Blue but he won unopposed. http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/South_Carolina’s_2nd_congressional_district_elections,_2012
I dont think you can get more Red than unopposed. What other problems does this map contain?
Jim....I’d appreciate your take on this. God bless.
Here is thread on the election maps:
Here is a map that includes shades from red to blue, in case you want to avoid purple areas:
The problem you’re facing is that prairie dogs don’t vote, people do. The Colorado map is a prime example. The front range East of the Rockies that extends from the Wyoming border to Pueblo, IS Colorado! The red sure looks pretty but the truth is that 4.4 million of Colorado’s 5.1 million people live in that single strip
Now if you want to make your case that those 4.4 million are living off the largess of the 700,000 people scattered throughout the rest of the state, be my guest, but don’t expect anyone to take the argument seriously.
I’m personally sick of the FR meme that ruralites are hardworking salt of the Earth and urbanites are all on the government dole. Nothing could be further from the truth. I lived in an extremely rural area of East Texas, known as Deep East Texas for more than a decade. Even the venerated (by the locals) Wal-Mart was a good 25 miles away, so I’m talking the sticks.
I haven’t seen such a concentration of welfare recipients since. The real picture of rural America is rampant poverty and next to no opportunity. Every member of #1 daughter’s senior class had a single dream. To somehow escape to Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, or even NYC.
Then you totally misunderstood my post.
There are one hell of a lot of cities in this country, not just the liberal sewers on the coasts and the upper Midwest. Not all have populations in 7 or 8 figures.
IOW, you make a specious argument; that there are those blue cities and then a bunch of welfare-sponging yahoos populating the red areas.
That may not have been your intent, but it is exactly what you said....and that is exactly what the Democrats believe.
Check your attitude carefully, is my suggestion.
She would be happy to give up her right to vote if it would prevent the vast majority of her gender from voting at all.
The "return" is the actual document you file. A "refund" is what you get back from fedguv even though you might not have paid any in (unless you owe federal, state, local taxes, child support, or in the future.....Obamacare penalties.
LOL Yes, what you said. I knew what I meant...
A lot of States need to kick out blue counties.
Alternately some sort of "ideological cleansing" could work.
Either way, it ain't gonna be pretty.
Hasn’t Singapore done pretty well for itself though?
Apparently it was only part of Malaysia for 2 years
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