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1 posted on 11/17/2012 5:41:13 PM PST by reaganaut1
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Liberals look at the Obama majority and see a coalition bound together by enlightened values — reason rather than superstition, tolerance rather than bigotry, equality rather than hierarchy.

I see a lot of factions that could crumble overnight with a few small wedges in just the right places
2 posted on 11/17/2012 5:45:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Well, I’m surprised. This is the first NYT article that I can remember actually making me think.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 5:47:23 PM PST by fini
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BTTT - many good points


4 posted on 11/17/2012 5:48:02 PM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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They’re not “liberals”....they’re backward Regressives.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 5:49:44 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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Absolutely true that liberals benefit from disintegration and dysfunction in civil society.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 6:05:57 PM PST by Yardstick
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Read the comments at the original site. Cut through all the baloney, and what do you see? Fear. The Democrat leaders are just grifters. they’re out to make themselves some money. The Democrat voters are another story. The Democrat party uses psychologists and sociologists while the Republican party uses political scientists. We can talk about demographics and voting behaviors and the effectivess of types of advertising. The Democrats play on people’s fears. Voting is a human behavior, it’s not just a tabulation of numbers.
The Democrats talk to fearful young people and minorities and women and tell them that the Republicans want to starve them and leave them ill.
The Democrats talk to young men and women and tell them that the Republicans want to enslave them with needy babies.
The Democrats talk to the frightened homosexuals and tell them that the Republicans want them to be lonely and alone.
The Democrats talk to the government employees and tell them that the Republicans want to throw them out on the street to starve to death.
When you think about what the Democrats are doing, you see that the leaders are cruel and self-serving. It’s actually quite sickening.
Look at Maslow’s Hierarchy Of Needs. Maslow says that as the lower needs are met, we move up his chart. The goal is to become a Self-Actualized person. I think that’s what the Republicans want. We see that as independence, strength, liberty, freedom. Do the Democrat leaders want the same thing? Would a Self-Actualized person want more government control of their life? The Democrats need to keep our citizens at the lower part of Maslow’s chart. How can they keep them there when those needs have actually been met? Fear. I call this the blueunicorn6 Addendum To Maslow’s Hierarchy Of Needs. You can keep people from developing and moving up to the higher stages with fear. The Democrats get people to vote for them through fear. This needs to be communicated to all.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 6:08:59 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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They can gloat all they want, but their leader is still an imbecile and eventually they will have to confront that fact.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 6:09:23 PM PST by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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Liberal Gloat

The sun is shining brightly for them now.
But eventually it will set. Then let their lamentations begin. No one will bother to listen.

10 posted on 11/17/2012 6:30:56 PM PST by StormEye
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There are a number of things I disagree with in the article.

First of all, these kinds of nuances do not matter to a party dedicated to winning by any means possible. The country is either at or just beyond the tipping point or it isn’t, and no opinion other than the collective, voting opinion makes any difference.

“What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible.”

I don’t put all of those “associations” into one pot. That these things are failing is probably true. That the people who relish, wallow in, or fete their failure look to the Dems as their salvation is the tragedy. As others have pointed out, 0bama is bad enough, but the disaster is that voters voted to re-elect such a sub-mediocre candidate in such a sub-mediocre economy and with so many other indications of dismal competence if not outright criminality if not treason. FOR THE FIRST TIME, there is comfort and ratification in these failings. Indeed, it is almost like a cloak that is being eagerly donned. We used to root for the little guy, the underdog, but now we root for the heavy hand of big brother and worship its powers, right or wrong. This has NEVER been the case before. The US has been the upstart, the sassy rebel who had cleverness and guts on its side. And if that is now dead, then there is little to do but to stand aside and let the forces work their voodoo until there isn’t anything to argue about any more. Maybe, with a fourth of the population in breadlines 2-3 years from now, some will wake up and stop blaming GWBush. Then, the Repubs may stand a chance for reconsideration. But at that point, indeed, well before, I don’t see much chance of a salvageable country existing. We’ll go right into Sovietism and be very lucky if we can eventually back things off to Swedenism. The US has never been a country that has so embraced rank failure and leadership malfeasance. Now it seems like it’s the “in” thing. I acknowledge this is a pessimistic view. But if it’s true, it is going to play out, like it or not, for as long as it takes.


16 posted on 11/17/2012 6:52:19 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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RE :” Consider the Hispanic vote. Are Democrats winning Hispanics because they put forward a more welcoming face than Republicans do — one more in keeping with America’s tradition of assimilating migrants yearning to breathe free? Yes, up to a point. But they’re also winning recent immigrants because those immigrants often aren’t assimilating successfully — or worse, are assimilating downward, thanks to rising out-of-wedlock birthrates and high dropout rates. The Democratic edge among Hispanics depends heavily on these darker trends: the weaker that families and communities are, the more necessary government support inevitably seems.
Likewise with the growing number of unmarried Americans, especially unmarried women. Yes, social issues like abortion help explain why these voters lean Democratic. But the more important explanation is that single life is generally more insecure and chaotic than married life, and single life with children — which is now commonplace for women under 30 — is almost impossible to navigate without the support the welfare state provides.
What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible.
This is a crisis that the Republican Party often badly misunderstands, casting Democratic-leaning voters as lazy moochers or spoiled children seeking “gifts” (as a certain former Republican presidential nominee would have it) rather than recognizing the reality of their economic struggles. “

This is thoughtful. The liberals are winning those groups primarily because so many of them in the US are failing and so they look to Obama/Dems/gubmnt to be their Dad/family. He says if these people were successfully functional then they wouldn't vote Dems.

And he says that Republicans/ Romney) do their best to turn them off by calling them moochers which didn't work that well this time.

17 posted on 11/17/2012 6:52:37 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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In a way, it's not that surprising that this article was published in the New York Times. In their heyday, Progressives were explicitly elitist. In the 1920s, for example, the books of Walter Lippmann was the friendly and earnest analog for H.L. Mencken's Notes On Democracy. I recall Lippmann giving the book a favourable, if guarded, review. As I'm sure you know, Progressives never quite shucked off their roots.
19 posted on 11/17/2012 7:17:01 PM PST by danielmryan
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There have been a multitude of lib scribblers telling the Pubbies what they have to do....which is basically pander like they do. They think they don’t know something deep and meaningful, but they don’t really know anything. Just how to pander. The Democrat Party doesn’t stand for anything except legalizing immorality and giving away other people’s money. That’s it.


24 posted on 11/17/2012 9:12:08 PM PST by driftless2
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The Election proved nothing except Liberals made Thievery mainstream. They prefer to be Ruled, not Governed, thinking their Leaders will only control and economically enslave their Enemies (that would be people like us).

Gun Control, Socializing Healthcare and punitive Taxation are their weapons of choice. The Democrats Vote against their fellow Citizens because they feel entitled to what they possess. It is all very simple.

Governance requires Decency, which they lack. All that is required when dealing with the Vermin that supported Obama, (and they are Vermin, nothing more), is to ask them how much of someone else’s Labor and Property will be required to satisfy their needs?

You see, there is never enough and there never will be.

Liberal / Progressive Utopia is a dream, but they can never describe it without using platitudes such as Hope, Change and Forward. The Good Germans garnered more Votes than we did and there will be hell to pay once a match is lit.


26 posted on 11/17/2012 9:43:11 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Win or lose, Impeach Obama Ben Ghazi...)
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Obama has done such a great job in governing that none of his supporters even mentions what a great job he’s done. Their victory is mostly based on the one value they share, which is contempt for the rest of America who do not support the decline of America. And, apparently they didn’t even notice, while they maintained Obama in the White House they do not control all of the government. They want a totalitarian government, but they don’t have it and will be greatly disappointed because of not having absolute control.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 1:26:42 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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I'm a little late getting to this thread. What I usually do is leave a tab open to FR all the time. Sometimes I don't get back for days. I'll go ahead and read back thru the posts until I get to where I left off the time before, then finally refresh to the current day and start reading backwards again. Can't miss anything on FR don'cha know...

Anyway, this thread reminds me of something I've been thinking about lately and I've been pondering writing a letter to the editor of our local leftwing rag regarding my thoughts.

My thoughts are far from original but I want to ask our local leftwing rag readers to name one redeeming quality that zero has without bringing up the opposition or the horrible things the opposition wants to do the poor downtrodden 'folks'. Is there anything noteworthy he's done or any inspiring quality he exhibits to merit the office he 'occupies' besides the fact that he's been a useless quota-filler all of his life?

/random thought mode off thanks for indulging me

41 posted on 11/19/2012 7:20:19 PM PST by Looking4Truth (Leave it to some angry, frustrated liberal do-gooder to screw things up for the rest of us.)
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I SOOOOOOO wanted to gloat to libtards on the huff post. They WILL pay.


45 posted on 11/20/2012 12:04:48 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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