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The Liberal Gloat
New York Times ^

Posted on 11/17/2012 10:55:00 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

Back in 2011, the Obama White House earned some mild mockery for its “win the future” slogan. But now that the president has been re-elected, the liberal conventional wisdom is that the Democrats have done just that — that Republicans are now Radio Shack to their Apple store, “The Waltons” to their “Modern Family,” a mediocre Norman Rockwell to their digital-age mosaic.

Maybe it’s too soon to pierce this cloud of postelection smugness. But in the spirit of friendly correction let me point out some slightly more unpleasant truths about the future that liberalism seems to be winning.

Liberals look at the Obama majority and see a coalition bound together by enlightened values — reason rather than superstition, tolerance rather than bigotry, equality rather than hierarchy. But it’s just as easy to see a coalition created by social disintegration and unified by economic fear.

Are Democrats winning Hispanics because they put forward a more welcoming face than Republicans do — one more in keeping with America’s tradition of assimilating migrants yearning to breathe free? Yes, up to a point. But they’re also winning recent immigrants because those immigrants often aren’t assimilating successfully — or worse, are assimilating downward, thanks to rising out-of-wedlock birthrates and high dropout rates. The Democratic edge among Hispanics depends heavily on these darker trends: the weaker that families and communities are, the more necessary government support inevitably seems.

Likewise with the growing number of unmarried Americans, especially unmarried women. Yes, social issues like abortion help explain why these voters lean Democratic. But the more important explanation is that single life is generally more insecure and chaotic than married life, and single life with children — which is now commonplace for women under 30 — is almost impossible to navigate without the support the welfare state provides.

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I think this writer makes a good point about how social stability seems to be an important ingredient to economic success.
1 posted on 11/17/2012 10:55:05 PM PST by oneprolifewoman
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To: oneprolifewoman

It would be if not for the lies.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 10:59:13 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Liberals will gloat all the way to the bankrupt.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 11:01:22 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (There goes the dominoes...)
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To: oneprolifewoman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2960746/posts


4 posted on 11/17/2012 11:05:52 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

[. . . social stability seems to be an important ingredient to economic success.]

Carl Jung once referred to this as the “protective wall of the human community.”


5 posted on 11/17/2012 11:07:20 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I’m not sure who this Douhat guy is but I rather like people (both conservative and liberal) who hold their own to account. Seems like a pretty rare quality these days. Most people just want to attack the other side. And yes, I thought this article was very thoughtful.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 11:19:46 PM PST by FreeFromWhat
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To: oneprolifewoman

Gloating’s fine. But, I’ll always have the last laugh because I don’t have to face every day as a complete idiot.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 11:40:11 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: oneprolifewoman; reaganaut1
Not bad edirorial, posted too late

New York Times ^ | November 17, 2012 | Ross Douthat( Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:41:12 PM by reaganaut1)

8 posted on 11/17/2012 11:44:04 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: oneprolifewoman; reaganaut1
OPPS try

The Liberal Gloat(New York Times ^ | November 17, 2012 | Ross Douthat. Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:41:12 PM by reaganaut1

9 posted on 11/17/2012 11:46:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: oneprolifewoman

The comments are stunning—unless one spends a lot of time with progs. I don’t. Talk about darkened intellects. These people are denizens of Hell—they just haven’t died yet.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 12:00:14 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I grew up with this fishwrap of a paper. I now buy it on Sundays (with cash, or they hammer me with solicitation as they are desperate for sales), just for the crossword - ice to have in magazine form. The rest sits undisturbed in my bugout stash of necessities.

This article sounds a few paragrphs in, can’t read anymore lest nausea set in prior to bedtime, like it’s the liberal guilty gloat. They cannot be truly pleased and they are particularly mortified regarding the Republican on challenge position.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 1:04:03 AM PST by stanne
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Winning” - wasn’t that the attitude that Charlie Sheen took when he finally parted ways for good and all with “Two and a Half Men”, Chuck Lorre, and Lee Aronsohn?

That was never a comfortable fit for anybody involved, and it only got worse over time.

Ultimately, there are no permanent “winners” or “losers” - there is only gloating and being chastened. Only one of these two states lends itself to a learning experience.

“Winners” learn nothing, and inevitably let their guard down.


12 posted on 11/18/2012 1:41:22 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Can`t disagree with what the author is saying. When the familial cohesion is absent, something is going to fill the gap, and that something tends to be government. Many single women regard government as husband and provider, thus bringing up children who see it as a surrogate father.

With trends as they are heading, this is only going to increase.


13 posted on 11/18/2012 2:32:49 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: oneprolifewoman
social stability seems to be an important ingredient to economic success.

This is to at least some extent a chicken-egg situation.

Social stability is a lot more difficult to achieve when struggling economically.

14 posted on 11/18/2012 3:11:59 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Gloating’s fine.

But, I’ll always have the last laugh because I don’t have to face every day as a complete idiot

I like that because it is true.

15 posted on 11/18/2012 3:14:17 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Sherman Logan

There is no talk of an economic engine in the new world order. It’s because money comes from somewhere unknown, like an allowance from your parents.


16 posted on 11/18/2012 3:47:34 AM PST by Thebaddog (Obama won, we lost)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Eric Harley from Red Eye Radio makes this point too. He says that one of the primary reasons that democrats win these elections is because of fear. People will nod their head in agreement to each and every conservative point you make. But when they go into the voting booth they vote for democrats. Because during bad economic times, they feel they need ‘big government’ to care for them. And the democrats are FOR big government, republicans are against it. (at least they say they are)

These are the ones who dont presently feel that they are a part of the 47%. But they want to know that big momma will be there to protect them when they do become a part of it. There’s not much you can do about this mentality. I am in agreement with some folks who say it’s best to let it all go to greece. Because folks will not understand the failure of this model until they feel the pain.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 3:52:48 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Thebaddog
"There is no talk of an economic engine in the new world order. It’s because money comes from somewhere unknown, like an allowance from your parents."

I agree. We get to prove that liberalism won't work.
It will be painful for almost everybody.

18 posted on 11/18/2012 4:00:46 AM PST by DeaconRed (The moochers and freeloaders won. America lost. We need to factor out the ZERO.)
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To: DeaconRed

Tweaking tag line


19 posted on 11/18/2012 4:02:35 AM PST by DeaconRed (The moochers and freeloaders won. America lost. We need to subtract a ZERO.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

The mind of the ultimate political, ‘moderate’ suck up confessed and revealed:

“Please let me choose the popular (ie, cool) candidate and be among the winners!”

No wonder he writes for the NY Times as a fig-leaf ‘conservative’.


20 posted on 11/18/2012 4:05:17 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: oneprolifewoman

Read the comments, no one seems to agree with this guy.

So...buy more guns.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 4:32:58 AM PST by gotribe
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To: oneprolifewoman

Our country, under the Obama admin, hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War. How can this be considered stability?


22 posted on 11/18/2012 4:41:51 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (Don't let reality ruin your day.)
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To: oneprolifewoman
The problem with our society at this time can be found in some of the facts of this story and a small underling FACT of human nature...most people would rather LOOK GOOD and be Effective. So, we have both parties trying to look good rather than triming government to it's most effective funtctions. Many conservatives may soon find what Johan Goldberg realized this week - compasionate conservative is not such a bad idea. It would work better if government worked better. Helping people to be educated in schools, charter or public, the services we provide are limited to needs and that the other services like "investing in companies" is left to the private sector. That goes for defense ideas too.

In the 50's military contractorss built products, like airplanes on spec and went into competition to win a longer contract. Then the Democratic party decided to take that burden off the workers and the employer. We may not return to that but we sure could work out some of the cost over run crap.

23 posted on 11/18/2012 4:45:28 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: gotribe

The comments from typical leftists readers of the New York Times is mind-boggling. The extraordinary hyper-rationalization of the facts and arguments shows yet again that liberalism, socialism and Communism are forever a mental and emotional process of self-delusion.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 4:50:18 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Arthur McGowan

It is rather remarkable isn’t it? Just one monolithic string of agreement and put downs of this guy who happens to mildly criticize their “god.” Just reading those comments tells you all you need to know about what’s wrong and what’s happened to this country.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 5:25:50 AM PST by amishman
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To: gotribe

Not only that, they call him a wingnut. Good grief, what a mess these people are, calling for outright socialism and blaming Bain for killing Hostess. Straight talking points.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:35 AM PST by amishman
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To: oneprolifewoman

Typical of liberal rags to publish something like this right after the election, in which they actively took the liberal side. It’s as if thye are trying to wash themselves somehow, ask for absolution of their bias, or somehow make the scales balance so they can lay some (however tenuous) claim to neutrality.

Sorry, we have seen this movie before. Not buying it.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 5:40:23 AM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: Sherman Logan

In my family, we are actually finding more stability in the midst of economic struggles. I’m sure that is due to the foundation of faith in God as provider. I have observed that during times of prosperity, we tend to forget that.


28 posted on 11/18/2012 5:52:44 AM PST by youthphil
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To: oneprolifewoman

It is a sloppy analysis to blame a group like Latinos for the loss, who have never been a Republican voting bloc. Voter Cutting welfare wasn’t even a particularly big issue during the campaign. Obama did as well among that group as Clinton did. Romney lost the election because he did not make the sale on the economy and fixing the finances of the federal government, even to conservatives, not because of changing demographics.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 6:56:05 AM PST by erlayman
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To: Excellence

srbfl


30 posted on 11/18/2012 7:13:22 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Thebaddog

Quite true. Liberals have for many decades passed laws mandating that things happen, leaving it up to others to figure out how to “make it so.”

The presently mandated automobile mpg requirements are a classic example. Even if (slightly) possible physically, meeting them will require the cost going up by a significant multiple.

Liberals’ response will be to provide waivers to car companies, who can then compete for political favors rather than by meeting customers’ wants.

This “leave it up to others” approach has (sorta) worked for quite a while, but at some point the drag on the system will bring it to a halt. We may be approaching that point.


31 posted on 11/18/2012 7:16:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: oneprolifewoman

“Republicans are now Radio Shack to their Apple store, “The Waltons” to their “Modern Family,” a mediocre Norman Rockwell to their digital-age mosaic”

In all three comparisons, I prefer the former to the latter.


32 posted on 11/18/2012 7:20:12 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: DeaconRed; Thebaddog
"There is no talk of an economic engine in the new world order. It’s because money comes from somewhere unknown, like an allowance from your parents.” - Thebaddog
I agree. We get to prove that liberalism won't work.
It will be painful for almost everybody.
We "get to" live through the proof that liberalism socialism still doesn’t work, any more now than in Plymouth Bay colony, or than it did in the church of Jerusalem in the days of St. Paul.
At most, the experience will cause socialists to coopt another word, they way they did with “liberalism” in the 1920s (reference: Safire’s New Political Dictionary) and progressive (The Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries - “progress" did not originally mean socialism).

I consider it obvious that the meaning of “liberalism” could not have been inverted within a decade without the active support of wire service journalism. When I’m writing, I want to have “liberalism” in scare quotes when the actual meaning is socialism.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 8:02:33 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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