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Future for Republicans is not so bad [4 reasons for optimism]
Washington Post ^ | 11/18/12 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 11/18/2012 1:14:38 PM PST by SoFloFreeper

It’s not a good time to be a Republican. The circular firing squad — it was Mitt Romney’s fault! Demographics did it! Conservatives messed everything up! — has begun in earnest even though the 2012 election is less than two weeks gone....

That said, things aren’t that bad for Republicans. Here are four reasons for optimism.

1. The party’s superstars are coming of age...

2. There are an historic number of Republican governors...

3. The electoral map is bad, but not that bad. We’ve written extensively on how where Republicans currently find themselves in terms of the electoral map is similar to where Democrats found themselves in the 1980s. That’s broadly true, but things for Republicans today aren’t nearly as dire as they looked for Democrats three decades ago...

4. History is on their side. Presidential politics in the post World War II era tends to be defined by the pendulum effect. The pendulum swings one way for eight (or so) years and then has a tendency to swing back the other way — almost no matter what...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014; 2016
I think the hopes for conservatives may truly rise after 2020...I think the exit of PRODUCTIVE human beings from the socialism of California and New York will be SO massive that the electoral value of those wastelands will diminish.

California, I remember in 1980, was a competitive state for Presidential politics. For five or six elections, though, it has been an automatic lock for Demon rats. If the conservatives would just leave that state--where they are outnumbered by the mouth breathers in the big cities, conservatives could significantly increase the chances for victory in the states where they go.

For instance, Mitt Romney got 4.2 million votes in California.

Imagine if, oh, HALF of those votes left California and moved to Oregon, Nevada, and Washington...

Romney would have won all of those states. 25 more electoral votes.

I know it isn't easy asking people to leave for merely political purposes...I am just pointing our how easy it would be to flip states if conservatives just walked away from the deep Demonrat states. Go to some other, more marginal Demonrat states and change them.

Check out some of the possibilities yourself here:

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/

1 posted on 11/18/2012 1:14:46 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Republican Party is going NO WHERE, as long as they sign consent decrees like THIS with the Rats.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html


2 posted on 11/18/2012 1:23:08 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: SoFloFreeper

LOVE YA SARAH!


3 posted on 11/18/2012 1:24:42 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Mortrey

The point has been reached where the takers outnumber the makers I believe. America was flushed with the re-election of the turd.


4 posted on 11/18/2012 1:25:27 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes. Arizona, Montana and North Dakota need help too. Colorado may seem lost now, but 8 years of Gov. Chickenpooper will help the pendulum to swing back.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 1:29:53 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
You're not going to convince half of CA Romney voters to move to Oregon and Washington which are to the cultural LEFT of CA.

It would be wonderful to be able to incentivise disenfranchised conservatives to move to critical battleground states like Ohio. But people move for their own reasons and end up where they end up for the same, perhaps a job and not really connected to politics.

6 posted on 11/18/2012 1:33:36 PM PST by newzjunkey (Still waiting for Akin defenders to come clean and apologize...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The ‘pendulum’ isn’t going to swing so far the next time around. With the dims’s lock on Hispanics growing stronger and stronger thanks to President Santy Klaus, it will be far more difficult to get the votes we need to thrash the opposition.

2016 is by no means a shoe-in just because ‘it’s our turn’. Such thinking is delusional.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 1:33:56 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Mr. Obama.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
And in 2016, we are likely to see Republicans like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan — all of whom have significantly more star power than Romney — make the race.

Ryan maybe, even though I was not impressed at all with his performance this go round, but the other losers can go pound sand.

8 posted on 11/18/2012 1:39:13 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Yes, afraid this is so. That is precisely why the Dems want to increase the Hispanic population.

What surprises me is being the Hispanics are largely Catholic, why are they voting Dem at all? The church could have a helping hand in this if they were to seriously sway their own members toward the conservative values they believe in, such as marriage between a man and a woman, no abortion, homosexuality is a sin against God.


9 posted on 11/18/2012 1:39:18 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: SoFloFreeper

2014 will not be a good year for Democrats.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 1:43:58 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: SoFloFreeper

Until the old Republican establishment is gone, Republicans will never win another federal election.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 1:49:00 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The GOP, as well as conservatives, in the, politically, “bluest of blue” areas of the U.S. have been using such optimism for a very long time, and they are, still, waiting for the political winds of change to go their way.


12 posted on 11/18/2012 1:50:30 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I would be optimistic as well...the Democrats are out of half-black half-white guys who grew up in Hawaii, smoked a bit of weed, attended two years of Occidental College, then ran off to Columbia University, graduating later from Harvard, and were community organizers for most of their adult life. It was a one-of-a-kind find for the Democratic party, and they can’t find another guy like this in a million years.

The top guy for the Democrats in 2016 is Gov O’Malley of Maryland, who you should sit and figure up what he’s done with state politics there (gay marriage is legal, the Latinos have gained a number of benefits within the state, and unions are getting most of what they want).


13 posted on 11/18/2012 1:51:28 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: TornadoAlley3
Until the old Republican establishment is gone, Republicans will never win another federal election.

Close. Until Republican activists do more than be just keyboard warriors bitching about the Republican establishment and actually pick a new establishment, things won't change.

Party leadership elections for local and state republican committees are in the next two months. These positions are picked by precinct delegates and/or state delegates (which are picked by precinct delegates).

14 posted on 11/18/2012 1:56:53 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: SoFloFreeper

THe Republican party is not getting my vote.

And this idea of America is gone. It’s over. Time to look out for yourselves.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 1:59:12 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Mortrey

I couldn’t believe this when I read it - why would they sign such a thing???

There needs to be another party that isn’t party to this rotten agreement. And why can’t the GOP go after the rats for the black panthers, etc????

After reading this I was wondering how Reagan got a second term and both Bushes were elected.


16 posted on 11/18/2012 2:06:06 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Just when I was wondering where to go for practical guidance.

Mark Levin is on it. So too, it seems, is the Heritage Foundation.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 2:06:14 PM PST by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper
This election set a catastrophic precedent where early voting, provisional ballots, rigged electronic voting machines, etc. AND AN AMERICA THAT IS WILLING TO COMMIT FRAUD WITHOUT FEAR OF PERSECUTION DUE TO A CORRUPT DOJ is the new norm in these National Socialist States.

There is only ONE solution to this problem and it is NOT peaceful. If Palin or anyone else thinks America will return to greatness any other way, they are only fooling themselves. When the bad guys control the ballot boxes with no legal recourse for the good guys, it is foolish of us to expect anything will revert back in our favor without physical conflict.

18 posted on 11/18/2012 2:07:38 PM PST by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Presidential politics in the post World War II era tends to be defined by the pendulum effect. “

Sure, and no president has ever won reelection with 8%+ unemployment, or whatever. Obama did. The RNC blew it bigtime and they are showing they are not going to change for the better. If anything, they are seemingly trending to the left even more.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 2:08:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Cooling the Marks.”

That’s all these “optimistic” trash articles are.

The big thing the GOP did wrong was not defending their votes at the polls.

Votewise, Romney won the election by a sizeable margin, but he and his committee allowed the votes of many to be stolen by democrat thuggery. There is no sign that such will abate, short of civil war, and we all know how brave the GOP is...


20 posted on 11/18/2012 2:17:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CodeToad

These articles are to make the cowards feel better about themselves.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 2:18:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bicyclerepair
The point has been reached where the takers outnumber the makers I believe.

I agree, but Akin's "legitimate rape" and Mourdock taking it upon himself to lecture us on God's will did nothing to help.

22 posted on 11/18/2012 2:28:39 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: newzjunkey

Many retirees have second homes, sometimes in other states, for instance many people from the north stay in Florida during the winter months then go back to their families in the summer months. Retirees have the flexibility of moving any place they want because they do not have jobs to hold them down. There is no reason why they cannot make their new home their official address and be registered to vote there.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 2:31:58 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“I think the hopes for conservatives may truly rise after 2020..”

You mean the Civil War which I’ve been praying for is arriving early?


24 posted on 11/18/2012 2:35:44 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: reagan_fanatic

We need to get the Reagan Democrats to come to the understanding that they as working people are the ones who are carrying the burden on their shoulders. Also, when people are educated about the effect that the debt will have on their children, they will come around. But first they must be educated in terms that Joe Average can understand. Republicans tend to use wonkish or accountant type language. They need to bring it home to the working people in a way that they can understand. For instance, what does 16 trillion actually mean? You use numbers like that and it makes people’s eyes glaze over, but you tell them that every man woman and child in this country own 40 thousand dollars to the federal government and they will get it.

Another thing is to drive home the point that the Democrats are always begging for more money year after year. When are they going to stop? It is true that the Democrats are slick talkers who could sell ice to the Eskimos, but when you tell people enough is enough, they can get it. We have to use simple speach that Joe Average can understand.

We need a clear simple message-—enough is enough.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 2:43:31 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Th Point has been reached where it is time to end the GOP since it is not a conservative party. The chance has passed for them to fight. Time to began a conservative Party USA. I am in the process of switching to unaffiliated. This dumb republican party won’t even fight voter fraud so what good is to to defend the party.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 2:43:56 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: SoFloFreeper

The point has been reached where it is time to end the GOP since it is not a conservative party. The chance has passed for them to fight. Time to began a conservative Party USA. I am in the process of switching to unaffiliated. This dumb republican party won’t even fight voter fraud so what good is it to defend the party.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 2:45:15 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: stanne
The best thing to do right now is to get active in our local parties. Newbies don't win early, but in 2014/2016, those active for two years often have a good chance to be a state delegate if they win their precinct delegate election. Precinct delegates are often unopposed.

The easiest way to gain respect by local parties is by showing up and getting to know those there. Many (not all) of them are "establishment" but a lot of them are just as disgruntled with "national establishment" or "state establishment" as the rest of us. Some of those there are as conservative as we are. (Even to Congressional level - Tim Walberg is a good guy and my rep.)

The bad news is the amount of patience required as this is a four year operation. The good news is that it is possible to make changes. Michigan's two RNC reps last year were replaced at convention when their election was up. We don't have much RNC recourse, but we do have state and local party recourse. If enough states say enough, then RNC has to change as well. 2016 is a four year operation and starts now.

28 posted on 11/18/2012 2:54:06 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Notice how the Democrats are always using the same talking points. They do not talk about abortion, they talk about *women’s health*. They are skilled at side stepping the tough questions and of course they are carefully rehearsed. No one is allowed to go off message and be a loose cannon. While I do not admire the Dems dishonesty, I think that our candidates need to go through a political charm school. They need to know which phrases to use for sensitive issues. The fact that the media is dishonest and is always trying to set up traps for Republicans is reason enough to give our candidates some public relations lessions. When the media is all about propaganda you will never get a fair shake from them so you have to blow them off is a very nice way. “Be as wise as serpents, be as harmless as doves.” We are dealing with serpents in the Democrat party and in the media so let’s not step into the snares that they set before our feet.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 2:54:36 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Darren McCarty
Then get to work on your state. I think it helped elect Obama.
30 posted on 11/18/2012 2:56:41 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Beowulf9

Don’t be surprised, I live in Massachusetts which has a very large Catholic population but people vote overwhelmingly Democrat. I guess when people have to decide between conscience or money, they pick money which they believe they are going to get from the Democrats and of course, those rich guys are going to pay for it all.


31 posted on 11/18/2012 2:58:14 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The pendulum swings one way for eight (or so) years and then has a tendency to swing back the other way — almost no matter what...

8 years? Is Chris Cillizza for real? Is there ANYONE who really believes this is an 8 year swing? Is this writer and the reading public so uninformed and/or unaware to be oblivious of all that has transpired since the mid 1960's? The last 20 years in particular have been utterly destructive to us as a people, the US Constitution and this nation. That includes Republican GW Bush. This is not some 'pendulum swing' by any stretch nor did all of this just happen in the last 4 years.

32 posted on 11/18/2012 3:00:07 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Mozilla
Other conservative parties outside of the NY fusion system can't even with a plurality of a city council. 3rd parties have not succeeded at anything since at least 1856.

The bottom line is this. It was, is, and always will be a 2-party system. If the Republican Party, the closest thing we have to a conservative party which sometimes wins, is not doing the job, we need to make sure that people there are put in place to do the job properly. That's a four year process and it starts with making sure our local and state Republican parties have good leadership at their leadership elections in the next two months.

33 posted on 11/18/2012 3:02:29 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Mozilla

When I was at the DMV office to make an address change 6yrs ago, I also switched from Republican to Conservative, under #5 Other, on the Voter Change computer screen. Somehow, Independent and Unaffiliated just didn’t *sound* right. Most people don’t even check under that Other choice.


34 posted on 11/18/2012 3:05:02 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Vlademir Putin is starting to look more and more like George Washington, compared to what we’ve got.


35 posted on 11/18/2012 3:06:10 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Oh I’m not surprised but I think Catholic leadership might greatly improve the Republicans.

Should be more appeal to the Catholic hierachy to press their members to not be rubbing elbows with goats;)


36 posted on 11/18/2012 3:08:34 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: TornadoAlley3
Then get to work on your state. I think it helped elect Obama.

As well as have a coronation attempt for senate to a guy who lost by 17% to Stabenow, gave up a state rep district to create a safe district that wasn't safe (my own), although my congressman won.

There's plenty of work to be done. We ousted two RNC reps here last year over bad behavior in the primary. That's a start. I'm working on county/state elections right now, and plan to enact some changes around here.

37 posted on 11/18/2012 3:09:59 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: bicyclerepair

Ditto. This last election proved America is gone forever. We are now a socialist banana republic. We had a clear choice between free enterprise and teat-sucking marxists and we lost. I no longer am going to hope that we can ever elect another Ronald Reagan. I refuse to be lulled by Fox News and right wing talk show hosts. Just wake me up when Texas secedes, My family will be on the first bus!


38 posted on 11/18/2012 3:26:07 PM PST by 2nd Amendment (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Beowulf9

The Catholic leadership has been very tepid about getting into politics. A few are showing some spunk such as Cardinal Dolan. Most Catholics have been Democrat and there was a time when the Democrats didn’t side with abortionists and homosexual marriage so it has taken some time for a lot of Catholics to realize how truly strange their party has become. I hope that Cardinal Dolan and other Catholic leaders will bring Republicans into their sphere of influence. It would be good to see Republicans being invited to speak before Catholic discussions and even parish functions. Notice how the blue areas of the voting maps are not just the city but the suburbs of the cities as well. Many of those suburban voters are Catholic Democrats who moved out to the suburbs a generation ago. These people are hardworking, they are homeowners and I believe they should be our voters because they are shouldering most of the burden of taxation. Republican outreach to Catholic clergy would be great because they know how to talk to their people in a way that they understand. Northern Catholics do not speak like southern Evangelicals, they need to hear people who come from their background so that they can relate to them.


39 posted on 11/18/2012 4:03:40 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Darren McCarty

You have some good ideas, here. Thanks.


40 posted on 11/18/2012 4:25:42 PM PST by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper

The GOP needs to support American companies.

Now.

American companies, hiring Americans.


41 posted on 11/18/2012 4:27:25 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2nd Amendment

We need to get on the right side.

America.


42 posted on 11/18/2012 4:28:21 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Mortrey

If the Republicans did agree not to investigate voter fraud 30 years ago, can’t they get out of it now?


43 posted on 11/18/2012 4:52:38 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Darren McCarty
Thank You for fighting. This is our power, not trying over and over to get the establishment in DC to change their ways. That is a waste of time.
44 posted on 11/18/2012 5:26:42 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I suspect deep down, Rove didn’t want Romney elected. If he’d been elected Rove couldn’t make money “grooming” another E-GOP RINO and SCREWING US AGAIN!


45 posted on 11/18/2012 6:02:20 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I suspect deep down, Rove didn’t want Romney elected. If he’d been elected Rove couldn’t make money “grooming” another E-GOP RINO and SCREWING US AGAIN!


46 posted on 11/18/2012 6:02:34 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Bankruptcy creates opportunities. That is when hard choices are made, the strong take hold, and the weak conform or simply fall by the wayside.

It is inconceivable that the United States will have a viable future as long as we cede the entire Pacific coast to the Left. We need for bankruptcy to take its course there in order for the hard decisions to be made. As a whole, we all are California, just a few years behind. We need bankruptcy to force the needed changes. It will be likely violent and revolutionary, change will swing the ruling ideology back.

The American culture is still very strong and alive among the productive class. The key is that we can survive very well without socialism, but parasitic left cannot survive without the producers. We are in the minority politically but the Left needs us and they know it. Their ideology must be destroyed, and the weak either conform or they will fall. The Twinkie fallout is just the start.


47 posted on 11/18/2012 6:28:36 PM PST by untwist
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

MANY conservatives still subscribe to rag newspapers which keeps their bad media afloat. Give up you subscriptions now and let them know we are serious about news being fair and balanced.


48 posted on 11/18/2012 8:10:14 PM PST by YouGoTexasGirl
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