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After Democrats Gain Across the Country, Conservative Voters Wonder Where They Fit
New York Times ^ | November 18, 2012 | Jack Healy

Posted on 11/18/2012 3:46:44 PM PST by reaganaut1

CHEYENNE, Wyo. — By now, voters here are over the initial shock. The ranchers, businessmen and farmers across this deep-red state who knew, just knew that Americans would never re-elect a liberal tax-and-spender president have grudgingly accepted the reality that voters did just that.

But in the days since the election, a blanket of baffled worry has descended on conservatives here like early snow across the plains, deepening a sense that traditional, rural and overwhelmingly white states in the center of the country are losing touch with an increasingly diverse and urban American electorate.

“It’s a fundamental shift,” said Khale Lenhart, 27, a lawyer here. “It’s a mind-set change — that government is here to take care of me.”

As the share of white voters — and white men, specifically — shrank in this election, exit polls showed that turnout grew among black, Hispanic and Asian voters, who supported President Obama and more than compensated for his losses among whites. An analysis by the Pew Research Center found that minority voters made up 28 percent of the electorate, up from 26 percent in 2008, a proportion expected to grow.

“Welcome to the next America,” said Paul Taylor, executive vice president at Pew. “Whatever that vote looked like this year, four years from now it’ll be more so, and eight years from now it’ll be even more so.”

None of this assures election wins for Democrats. The tide of minority voters that helped elect Mr. Obama in 2008 ebbed just two years later in a welter of populist anger over deficits, job losses and Mr. Obama’s agenda, allowing Republicans to retake the House and make gains in the Senate in the midterm elections. And there is no guarantee that the next Democratic presidential candidate will match Mr. Obama’s huge margins

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1 posted on 11/18/2012 3:46:50 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Gain by voter fraud only.

The post 2008 trend will continue (unless John Boehner remains Speaker).


2 posted on 11/18/2012 3:49:39 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: reaganaut1

The New York Times fits perfectly in my Cat’s Litter Box.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 3:54:31 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s beyond the time when we can shut off the flow. The changing demographics have taken care of that, and intimidated any pol who might think along those lines.

I just wonder: what will the incentive be as this new population manages to turn the USA into the very image of the $#!t# countries they left?


4 posted on 11/18/2012 3:54:32 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: reaganaut1
For 50 years the USA has been bringing in millions of people from third world hell holes who have no clue about what made this country great. They now out number the producers. The editors of the New York Times may be basking in the sun about the death of America but I wonder if they realize that those same third world American citizens do not read the newspaper (print or digital). The one good thing about America going down the toilet is that the New York Times is going down too.
5 posted on 11/18/2012 3:57:10 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: reaganaut1
Obama did not win a single state with voter ID requirements.

He won certain urban precincts in Ohio and Florida with 99% of the vote and 150% more ballots than registered voters.

Unless the GOP pulls its head out of its exit orifice and addresses Democrat election fraud, we are done.

But they think it is unseemly to even bring such unpleasantness up.

6 posted on 11/18/2012 3:57:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: reaganaut1

Outnumbered but not outgunned.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 3:59:01 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: reaganaut1

Where do conservative voters fit? They’re the taxpayers.


8 posted on 11/18/2012 3:59:42 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Republicans governors now control 30 of the states.

You would think all of them would require voter id.

9 posted on 11/18/2012 4:00:07 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: tsowellfan

Uh, I think you kind of got that backwards.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 4:01:07 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: tsowellfan
Before you get too excited, the Democrat vote for President this year was about 10% less than it was in 2008.

Start asking yourself how that could be if the numbers of black, hispanic and asian voters increased and made up for the loss of white Obama voters.

Actually, there are two ways to look at elections ~ (1) Actual numbers of voters, and (2) Percentages of voters.

Democrats declined on both counts ~ they lost voters, their percentage of the total vote is much less this time.

Republicans came in about the same but their percentage of the total vote increased substantially.

Remember, there are NOT equal numbers of Republican and Democrat voters, and not every Democrat who fails to vote for the Presidential candidate turns around and votes for the Republican candidate.

The article here is based on several false premises, knowingly, and therefore constitutes propaganda aimed at Republicans to dispirit them.

As the Baby Boomers pass into the Great Valley of the Peoples ~ which means they die, you will see an actual contraction in the number of voters. This time you saw a Race To The Bottom ~ and next time you'll see what amounts to a Political Crash as fewer and fewer voters show up and fewer and fewer new voters are registered.

That goes on for 18 years ~ with 12 years remaining. It'd happened earlier just folks missed it and imagined Republicans went over to vote for Obama because it was an historic occasion.

The Republican advantage is a lower abortion rate among white Republicans. The Democrat disadvantage is a far higher abortion rate among black, hispanic, and white Democrats.

In short, we are looking at the end of the Democrat party. That's why we need to hit the restart button on the Republican party and shed the losers!

11 posted on 11/18/2012 4:02:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The one good thing about America going down the toilet is that the New York Times is going down too.

Samson did get the last laugh... kind of.

12 posted on 11/18/2012 4:03:10 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: mware
You would think all of them would require voter id.

The Secretary of State decides, not the governor.

Which explains George Soros' SOS project.

13 posted on 11/18/2012 4:03:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: reaganaut1

unless the election was more then traditional ballot stuffing and imposter voting...

how about straight up vote change hacking?

admitted by anonymous that they hacked romneys systems... how long until we find out they hacked-the-vote ?


14 posted on 11/18/2012 4:04:20 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: elkfersupper; tsowellfan

not sure that meant anything ~ what’s Boehner got to do with the rates of birth and death?


15 posted on 11/18/2012 4:05:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Incorrigible

We’re merely outnumbered and surrounded; we have the enemy exactly where we want then.


16 posted on 11/18/2012 4:06:56 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: mware
You would think all of them would require voter id.

A lot of us out here really don't like showing ID for any purpose.

If we would get back to the Constitutional male property owners, voters would just have to show up and prove they owned some real estate. No ID necessary.

17 posted on 11/18/2012 4:06:56 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: reaganaut1

The NYT is onto something here.

The GOP has aligned itself partly with the “internationalization” of business.

This means in practice, not American.

Not American, means foreign. Yet GOP is all for foreign ownership of American companies and American factories.

This is why “conservative’ business is falling. We need to be pro-American. Not global, AMERICAN.

This is so simple, so profound, and the Dems are going to beat us at this, if we do not change course.

My 2 cents...


18 posted on 11/18/2012 4:10:13 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: reaganaut1
“Whatever that vote looked like this year, four years from now it’ll be more so, and eight years from now it’ll be even more so.”

2010 was a right wing landslide. I don't remember the MSM trying to find a place for the very few democrats who where left in this country back then.

I think what they're trying to say is this: If democrats win, the whole country has to be more like democrats.
If Republicans win, the whole country has to be more like democrats.

Do I have that right?

19 posted on 11/18/2012 4:13:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: KC_Lion

Litter box! Perfect fit! LOL!

One more NYT column to marginalize and demoralize the white population, even quoting our disdain for the hand out, gimme races who are filling up the country and our ballot boxes, just as DeToqueville warned. The Times is bold to quote such statements because they are mocking that old fashion thinking that made the country what it is, now gloating that traditional America died with this election. The nerve.


20 posted on 11/18/2012 4:16:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: reaganaut1

We have been had and the GOP sit silently, there has been evidence of massive voter fraud in Florida with West so we can all assume that it happened with the presidential election as well. We need to demand an investigation in Ohio, VA and PA. They have accepted thier defeat all to easily.Boner sez “obama care is the law of the land,” “it is time to get to work” These are not fighters “we the people” can depend on when the going gets tough, they sit quietly take a beating and beg for forgiveness. It is time we put the pressure on these idiots. How difficult is it to commit voter fraud in 4 battleground states?


21 posted on 11/18/2012 4:17:26 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: reaganaut1

Its the Giverment......less and less Givers and MORE and MORE and MORE TAKERS!!!


22 posted on 11/18/2012 4:20:09 PM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: concerned about politics

Sounds right, “tails you lose,heads I win.” What NYT Jack forgets to mention while trying to put words in our mouths is that Obama drove millions of people away from the polls by his governance. Even giving away the biggest bauble in Santa’s bag, the healthcare monstrosity, he lost millions of votes from his 2008 total. He has no similar gift to offer in his second term and implementation of Obamacare will cost Democrats even more votes, because it will fail miserably to do what they’ve promised. Since Obama has no other ideas, it is simple reasoning to see that the Democrats will be on a losing streak for years to come. At least our field is cleared of the “it’s my turn” carcasses that have all too often impeded us in selecting a Presidential candidate.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 4:24:10 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Unless the GOP pulls its head out of its exit orifice and addresses Democrat election fraud, we are done.

See tagline.

24 posted on 11/18/2012 4:24:45 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Huskrrrr
Where do conservative voters fit? They’re the taxpayers.

Why, you've answered your own question! A place for everyone in this brave new world.

25 posted on 11/18/2012 4:24:58 PM PST by madprof98
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

‘Obama did not win a single state with voter ID requirements.’

New Hampshire has a voter photo ID requirement. He won this state easily.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 4:25:20 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama did not win a single state with voter ID requirements.

I live in FL. I had to show ID to vote. Obama won FL.

At least some of the "too many ballots" in some FL counties were due to each voter being given two ballots.

Please check up on the truth of what you say before adding to the atmosphere of paranoia.

I don't say there wasn't fraud in this election, merely that easily disproven claims of fraud tend to discredit the more creditable ones.

27 posted on 11/18/2012 4:29:40 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama did not win a single state with voter ID requirements.

Please list all the states with voter ID requirements, and whether they went for R or O.

By my count, the voter ID states, for the 2012 election, were Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, South Dakota, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Tennessee, and New Hampshire.

Obama won Florida, Hawaii, Michigan, and New Hampshire.

That means he won 4 of the 11 voter ID states.

28 posted on 11/18/2012 4:37:33 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

They have to ask for ID in Michigan and if you don’t have it you have to sign an affidavit declaring that you’re a legal voter. I can’t speak for Detroit or Flint but pretty much everyone else shows ID.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 4:38:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The other good thing is that it will be poetic justice that a world without whites is a world whites wouldn't want to live anyway. Neither will the nonwhites, but they lack the wherewithal to do anything about it. If it were not so, we'd have seen the proof in the thriving first world nations on the African continent (not counting the ones built by whites, which are being reduced to their natural state as whites are driven from power or any voice at all in government). Rhodesia, once the breadbasket of Africa, is now Zimbabwe, in a semi-permanent state of famine other than the small amount of food which reaches them courtesy of charitable whites. And that just the bottomline of survival, never mind great cultural or scientific achievements.
30 posted on 11/18/2012 4:39:11 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s NOT a “shift”—it’s a SHAM:

snip-”In 1982, the Republican National Committee (“RNC”) and the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) entered into a consent decree (the “Decree” or “Consent Decree”), which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance.”

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html


31 posted on 11/18/2012 4:40:20 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: tsowellfan

The only way DEMS made gains was through voter fraud. Plain and simple. I just can’t believe that after 4 years of this horrible presidency that the American people are stupid enough to vote these cheaters in office. Oh wait - some are that stupid.

Seriously though - it was voter fraud all over the country. Why isn’t someone in high places stepping up to the plate - other than Allen West?


32 posted on 11/18/2012 4:42:22 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: elkfersupper

So, in your opinion, only property owners get to vote? How stupid is that when so many people have lost their homes and are now renting.

This economic climate isn’t good for home buying. Get a clue.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 4:45:07 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: muawiyah; tsowellfan
The Republican advantage is a lower abortion rate among white Republicans. The Democrat disadvantage is a far higher abortion rate among black, hispanic, and white Democrats.

In short, we are looking at the end of the Democrat party. That's why we need to hit the restart button on the Republican party and shed the losers!

Thanks for the post of the day!

I think you're right, but it's key that Pubs begin to forcefully explain how we are different and why. Also, we have to have "hitmen" who confront Rat lies and lunacy. The Rats need to be called liars on a regular basis along with blaming them as the economy and healthcare decline.

34 posted on 11/18/2012 4:45:20 PM PST by wmfights
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The editors of the New York Times may be basking in the sun about the death of America but I wonder if they realize that those same third world American citizens do not read the newspaper (print or digital). The one good thing about America going down the toilet is that the New York Times is going down too.

The morons at NYT and elsewhere who are giddy at the prospect of a no-ethnic-majority America think it will be like a Lionel Richie music video.

Whats really tragic about their idiocy is they will not have a clue in the resulting mayhem.

35 posted on 11/18/2012 4:45:44 PM PST by skeeter
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To: reaganaut1

Whites, and I mean conservative whites, need to start having more babies.


36 posted on 11/18/2012 4:46:03 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Huskrrrr

Hahahahaha, that’s so sad but true I can’t help laughing. The parasites are killing the unwilling host, but though it will be at our expense, at least we’ll get the last laugh out of this. Once the parasites kill the host, they die too. At best they will live nasty, short, and brutish lives, the same lives they lived before whites “interfered” with our oppressive healthcare, education, higher civilisation, etc. All of that dies with us. Anyone who wants to delude themselves otherwise, can just take a look at what the supposedly “top tier” of “educated” blacks have done to South Africa, after inheriting a fully workimg infrastucture, in just a few short decades, even with some whites remaining to take up the slack. Imagine when we’re gone and our knowledge, our desire to pursue knowledge, dies with us.


37 posted on 11/18/2012 4:48:40 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: LdSentinal
Whites, and I mean conservative whites, need to start having more babies.

They need to pull the children that are already here out of public schools, effective tomorrow.

38 posted on 11/18/2012 4:48:54 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Catsrus
So, in your opinion, only property owners get to vote?

No. MALE property owners. That's the way the Constitution was written.

39 posted on 11/18/2012 4:49:00 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: EDINVA

They`re not interested in assimilating. As for the Mexicans, their intent is to overrun the “United” States and transition sovereignty to Mexico. Where they`ll meet resistance is the muslim-infested upper midwest. The mohammedans have designs of their own.

In 50 years they`ll be fighting it out to lay claim to the former American landmass.


40 posted on 11/18/2012 4:49:03 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: muawiyah
The Republican advantage is a lower abortion rate among white Republicans. The Democrat disadvantage is a far higher abortion rate among black, hispanic, and white Democrats

Still, the birth rate among Black and Hispanic women is higher than White Women, though the gap is narrowing the past several years due to the crappy economy.

41 posted on 11/18/2012 4:49:10 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: reaganaut1
In 2004, Bush won reelection with 50.73% of the popular vote. In 2012, Obama won reelection with 50.66%.

We know how 2006 turned out. The NY Times is whistling past the graveyard -- but they're pretty good at that. I don't see anything that Obama has proposed that will improve the US economy -- and the Obamacare mandate will make life much worse for many of his voters.

42 posted on 11/18/2012 4:49:31 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: gusopol3

“He has no similar gift to offer in his second...”

There is always Amnesty. That could well give the Dems a permanent edge.


43 posted on 11/18/2012 4:53:16 PM PST by berdie
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To: LdSentinal

Their birthrate is in serious decline ~


44 posted on 11/18/2012 4:55:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sten

What happens if it comes out that there was voter hacking? Does that mean Obama can be impeached?


45 posted on 11/18/2012 4:56:04 PM PST by rodeo-mamma
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To: gusopol3

I wish I were as optimistic as you, the GOP are past masters at pulling defeat from the jaws of victory, it seems, willfully, sometimes. I now believe it’s because what they purport to stand for-the so-called “party platform”-is but the platitudes they fob off on us, while their true agenda is a globalist corporate one. It’s the same in Europe, they’re just ahead of the curve in being open about not anymore being a true, traditional conservative party.
Our GOP has had to deal with us “bitter clingers to guns and religion”, two things which haven’t been factors in Europe for a while.


46 posted on 11/18/2012 4:57:35 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: elkfersupper

The way the Constitution was written states control voting rights. Using that fact, folks interested in broadening the franchise were able to do it a state at a time.


47 posted on 11/18/2012 4:58:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ann Archy

Makers and Takers has more of a rhyming ring to it IMHO. (grin)


48 posted on 11/18/2012 4:58:24 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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To: Catsrus

Why is Fox News silent on the issue of voter fraud? You made very good points why it is difficult to understand how Obama won legally, it seems that someone broke the law.


49 posted on 11/18/2012 4:59:31 PM PST by rodeo-mamma
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To: wmfights
As the Democrats begin to slide into biological oblivion they will strike out ~ with real hitmen.

After this latest 10% drop that should occur to them pretty soon as an idea whose time has come.

We'll need to prepare for that.

50 posted on 11/18/2012 5:01:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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