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'Gifts': 2016 Frontrunners Already Caving to Media
Big Journalism ^ | November 18, 2012 | John Nolte

Posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:40 PM PST by Bratch

Late last week, in a conference call with donors, Governor Mitt Romney said what we all know to be the truth: that Obama's reelection plan was to divide Americans across various lines and dole out government freebies, such as health insurance, amnesty, and birth control. The promise of these "gifts" (or the fear of losing them) would then drive out turnout, specifically among those who did turn out: blacks, students, and Hispanics -- and lo and behold, it worked.

For days now, Romney's been blistered by the media for telling a truth about a political tactic that the media itself declared as smart politics in real-time as Obama practiced it. I guess the lesson is that practicing divisive politics with the use of taxpayer-funded freebies is okay, but pointing it out is racist.

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Whatever.

What should worry us, though, is that some of the men who seek to carry our flag into 2016 have jumped aboard this Nonsense Train with both feet. At differing levels of indignation, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio have all publicly criticized Romney for telling this truth.

Speaking only for myself, let me just say that if this is the first step these men are taking towards a 2016 White House bid -- I'm not impressed. Attacking a man for telling what we all know is the truth, is political cowardice. Tactically, though, it's just dumb, and dumb will not win the White House in 2016.

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1 posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:47 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Rubio is awful. Charismatic, charming, Latino. What has he done to protect and defend the Constitution? I HVE seen him championing the UN and ther’s a picture of him with “Socialite” Jill kelley and Co. Or Broadwell, whoever of that crew.

He is not . . .

Oh, well.


2 posted on 11/18/2012 5:32:55 PM PST by stanne
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To: Bratch

I agree. I’m very disappointed in this from the GOP. Considering these are people who were all for Romney, throwing him under the bus for stating the ugly truth is just low.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 5:34:12 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: stanne

I don’t like Senators or Representatives as Presidential candidates anyway.

Little or no administrative experience.


4 posted on 11/18/2012 5:39:41 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

...well this is what you get from Crystal, Rove, toe-sucker, and Reece’s candy.... weakknee’d weinies.... IMHO


5 posted on 11/18/2012 5:39:59 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: stanne

All I can say is this, hopefully people try, but with voter fraud, a rising generation that cares more for a distorted caricature of history as opposed to some of the very real flaws that existed, and simply stubbornly want to believe and preach the leftist mantras, then have no problem simply committing voter fraud to overrepresent themselves, the time is really looming where people will either cave to go and play like those who have the apparent mortal power (arms, membership, political popularity, celebrity buzz) or try sticking to the basic principles of Christ, continuing to give truth to his name, continuing to encourage his principles. The virtues of Jesus Christ are now pretty much firmly out of the picture, it’s all a question now for whomever has a sense of virtue to either abandon it, or stick with it and consider the kind of rewards that Jesus promised.

Got back from the cleanups with my volunteering with the Catholic Charities this past weekend, paints a far better picture, and gives me some hope for the future, aside from the awfully corrupt political picture.


6 posted on 11/18/2012 5:40:33 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: stanne

Rubio is not natural born, thus not eligible for the Presidency or Vice Presidency.

It is time for a new conservative party, and the GOP can go the way of the Whigs.

This was the most important election of our lifetimes, and they blew it mightily. Now, they want to blame conservatives, when it was their complete squishy-ness that voters rejected.

Like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, now the battle cry will be—we have to win the Senate and hold the House in 2014. For what? For Boehner and McConnell to give it away?

The GOP gave us Obama—twice. That cannot be forgotten nor forgiven. Time to throw them on the trash heap of history, form a new party and salvage what we can of America before it is too late.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 5:43:01 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Bratch

the pigford billions bought hundreds of thousands of votes.


8 posted on 11/18/2012 5:48:22 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: Bratch
let me just say that if this is the first step these men

And then it's a second and third step and then it's 'he's the only one who can...'.

Obviously these guys believe in free gifts. I could care less but to backstab after the election - these guys exposed who/what they really are, IMO.

9 posted on 11/18/2012 5:50:43 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Bratch; Grampa Dave; tubebender; dixiechick2000; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dalereed; ...

Oh don’t worry about it. They simply want two Democrat parties instead of just the miserable tax, borrow and spend one we have now!!!


10 posted on 11/18/2012 5:51:19 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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To: Bratch
I have a feeling that the GOP will pick Rubio.

we are in deep trouble with his views on taxes, immigration and being Jeb Bush's pick anyway..If he were a true conservative, we've have a winner. Why are they going moderate safe after a crushing defeat to a Marxist leader. (head to desk)

11 posted on 11/18/2012 5:52:27 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: Bratch
Chris Christie...


12 posted on 11/18/2012 5:54:17 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Bratch

Allen West is the only real man in this party I’m afraid


13 posted on 11/18/2012 5:55:06 PM PST by SaintDismas
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To: Bratch

[Just saw this online:]

Romney was technically correct in his statement that 47% pay no income tax. He was strategically incorrect by saying that he’s “not concerned about them.” What he should have said is something like this: “Unlike the President, who appears to be SO UNCONCERNED with 47% of our population that he wants to keep them dependent on the other 53% who pay income tax, I want to offer that 47% the kind of helping hand they are actually crying for, but to which the President remains deaf: they are crying to be self-reliant! They are asking for their dignity back by means of productive work in the private sector where they are beholden to no one but themselves and the markets they serve! Our President said that he wants to “transform America.” I want to transform AMERICANS: from dependent to independent. From VICTIM to VICTOR.”

[Just wondering if that would have been a more politic way of phrasing the same truth.]


14 posted on 11/18/2012 5:58:10 PM PST by GoodDay
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To: Morpheus2009

Yes, the New Yorders (TriStaters) are handily adept at managing weather and at helping neighbors and strangers.

They think on an individual basis and are not real great, tight now, at following tenets of religion, but are, by default, giving into a controlling rule heavy government. They don’t see that.

But they do very well in emergency situations. It’s in their regional ancestry. One has to see it to understand it, as these guys have such a bad reputation for being rude, in man ways deserved.

but the Constitution is there for us. So it’s simple. Nothing has to be reinvented.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 5:59:08 PM PST by stanne
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To: exit82

“The GOP gave us Obama—twice. That cannot be forgotten nor forgiven. Time to throw them on the trash heap of history, form a new party and salvage what we can of America before it is too late.”

Totally agree with you. It has been downhill since George Herbert Walker Bush’s first and final inauguration. More than two decades of decline.


16 posted on 11/18/2012 6:01:39 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Bratch

I think they are thinking that you can’t get a loser’s vote that wants stuff for free by telling them, “YOU ARE A LOSER THAT WANTS STUFF FOR FREE AND ARE A BIG PART OF OUR PROBLEM”.

So what is their solution then to this?
Should be to limit the saftey net programs to all but the elderly and disabled, the rest have to be short term.
We also need to greatly reduce government employees and their costs to the taxpayer.

Again, since unions give billions upon billions to Democrats every two years for elections, how are we supposed to defeat THAT without calling it what it is? “An exchange of donations for extreme pay and benefits”...

Then you have the teacher’s union and professors at colleges from Junior colleges up brainwashing the kids into voting for bonds, props and Presidents that are disasters for our country and budget. So what is the answer to dealing with that without calling that what it is?

COME ON>>>> This is retarded IMO.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 6:03:18 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Bratch

I wonder if this is true.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html


18 posted on 11/18/2012 6:04:00 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Bratch
Rubio knows that the GOP-e will DESTROY any Conservative who stands on Principle, and like so many others, caves in to get Funding.

The ONLY ones who have stood up to the GOP-e seem to be Sarah Palin and Herman Caine.....and you KNOW how they were assaulted and pummeled by the State-Run-Media, AND the GOP-e, and that's because they FEAR Conservatives rising up and telling it like it is. I've already seen Bobby Jindal jumping the shark, to avoid being attacked.

19 posted on 11/18/2012 6:10:31 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: SaintDismas

Yes. Allen West is a REAL black man who would charge hell with a bucket of water. - Some have said he wasn’t “ready” to be President, not experienced enough . . . and the sorta black(ish) man we’re stuck with IS “ready”, IS “experienced”? I’m gonna donate to West’s recount effort. He did the right thing; who can fight boxes of ballots “suddenly” being accidentally found here and there?

If we can no longer have faith that our elections are at least largely honest, then what have we left? Nothing.


20 posted on 11/18/2012 6:12:44 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: Bratch

I’m afraid American conservatism will be like British conservatism: just a degree or two to the right of the true left.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 6:14:54 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Psalm 144

The GOP did NOT give us OBAMA twice; that is BS.
I think we have be adults and realize that Romney did a great job of painting a positive contrast to Obama.
The failings of this campaign were due to how much was already given to government employees and losers by the Democrat party before Obama came in and how vastly much more he increased it.

2 year unemployment.

Obama-phone...

Lots more food stamps.

Got rid of the work requirement for welfare and other reforms put in by Gingrich and Clinton.

Greatly grew government, and directed almost all stimulus to government workers.

Top 2% pay 75% of all taxes and he created class warfare to direct the anger at the successful people instead if the unsuccessful Obama.

Obama-care, greatly increasing more government employees and the IRS.

On and on.

Romney painted a direct contrast and informed the American people we are on the path for Greece, but they voted Greece.

So this isn’t the GOP and they have been fighting the Democrat party giving away the Treasury for the vote for some 40 years now.
How do you fight politicians willing to give money away from the treasury with talk of balancing budgets and getting strong again when SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE AND WANT THEIR HANDS OUT FOR MORE.

I am married to a great lady who was from Mexico and even she says people, especially poor ones come here from Mexico to try and work and get on the dole because you do real well with all the hand outs here versus nothing in Mexico.

PS, wife works and pays taxes. But she is the kind we wanted here in America, self supporting and a tax payer, not taker.

I also have sympathy for the poor from elsewhere. I’m not trying to be mean, but they need to make paradise in their lands and not bankrupting our lands. God bless them, but...


22 posted on 11/18/2012 6:15:26 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: traditional1

I think Rubio IS GOP-e Just ran as a Tea Partier.

Beware of such, even if I’m wrong about HIM.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 6:17:24 PM PST by stanne
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To: GoodDay

You, me and the rest of the choir, here, get that message. We’d truly like to see those that are dependent become transformed from “victim” to victor. The sad reality is that a many - not all - of these “victims” have no desire or interest, in getting their dignity back if it means having to actually work for a living.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 6:20:34 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: A CA Guy
I agree with you. Our real problem in America is the electorate: many are willingly ignorant, want a hand-out, not a hand-up, and many just don’t care. There will always be a radical liberal ready to take the reins of the POTUS, but it’s the those of America that vote for such a one that really concerns me.
25 posted on 11/18/2012 6:24:54 PM PST by bethtopaz ( www.rapturealert.com)
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To: stanne
"What has he done to protect and defend the Constitution?"

Nothing. And he's not eligible anyway. It's hilarious that he and his supporter think the Democrats would let him slide on the NBC issue.

Don't kid yourselves. They wouldn't let McCain slide but somehow they will let Rubio? Guess again. Laws are only for Republicans.

Now if Rubio was a Dem, he'd be good to go.

26 posted on 11/18/2012 6:27:14 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Bratch
This entire show is ridiculous. The republicans have the American message and just refuse to expand on that and take that message to the American people. It's like they really do not want the power back. How many years are we to put up with this..another election it will be too late. I don't think they are going to change. Come on..they could not even find the will to beat Obama after we all know that he's deliberately changing our country for the worse. Each election cycle, we are losing more of our voters who have given up/lost faith in this party. Warning signs everywhere. They have to change and come out fighting..I mean tough (not extreme) Fighting Obama every inch every moment of their lives.
27 posted on 11/18/2012 6:34:53 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: Smokeyblue

“They wouldn’t let McCain slide”

And by let McCain slide, I mean be both their NBC foil and patsy.


28 posted on 11/18/2012 6:36:39 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Bratch

You have to wonder which of these a-hole the RINO’s will pick for us in 2016.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 6:37:32 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Viennacon

I’m very disappointed in this from the GOP. Considering these are people who were all for Romney, throwing him under the bus for stating the ugly truth is just low.

It is ok. Romney is done. You can stop sticking up for the liberal. You do know he would have been a disaster as much if not more then Obama. Stop sticking up for the RINO!!!!


30 posted on 11/18/2012 6:40:39 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Christie at the beach
On November 14, 2012, Ted Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He can deliver the message.
31 posted on 11/18/2012 6:41:08 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: A CA Guy

ROTFLMAO. You are quite the comedian.


32 posted on 11/18/2012 6:42:49 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: stanne

Jill Kelley crashed a fundraiser for Rubio, had her pix taken with him - then fled the scene. She later invited him to one of her shindigs, and he refused. Get your facts straight.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 6:44:08 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: TornadoAlley3
Thank you for letting me know.

Praying to God, that he stays true to the people, the constitution. Wouldn't that be awesome.

34 posted on 11/18/2012 6:45:08 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: exit82

So, you are saying that Rubio isn’t natural born? Last I knew he was born in Miami, FL. That makes him as natural born as I am.


35 posted on 11/18/2012 6:45:28 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Psalm 144

I can’t take this. We are only a couple weeks out of a fraudulent election and already everyone is pulling the purist card on us. Let’s wait and see what the field looks like as we get closer to 2016. We aren’t going to find someone 100% pure. As great as Ronald Reagan was - he did some things which were horrible such as amnesty and the Iran-Contra affair.

Get over this purist attitude. Even a bona-fide conservative isn’t going to give us 100% of whatever litmus test we have imbred in us.


36 posted on 11/18/2012 6:48:48 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: exit82

“Rubio is not natural born, thus not eligible for the Presidency or Vice Presidency.”

I thought his parents were US citizens when he was born?


37 posted on 11/18/2012 6:52:43 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Catsrus

His defenders are very huffy.

You mean those kinds of facts?


38 posted on 11/18/2012 6:55:46 PM PST by stanne
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To: Catsrus

“Get over this purist attitude.”

Eat it. The Geriatric Old Plotters have been as impure as a sump tank at a leper colony for two decades.

Time to recognize it is a false front and be done with the failure mongering clown show.


39 posted on 11/18/2012 6:57:25 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Bratch

Had a facebook friend that was against Obama way back in the primaries...but she fell for the “war on women” thing and was convinced that Romney and the GOP were going to ban all contraceptives and try to take away women’s vote. She’s here in Idaho so didn’t really matter much cause Romney still carried 65%...but I know there were more like her out in the battleground states where it mattered most.


40 posted on 11/18/2012 6:57:52 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: exit82

Obama gave us his commie little self why do you think he had trumka and all those losers in first...he owes them for stealing the election. Look at all of the
Union b/s that’s happened since. Hostess? Walmart? etc.


41 posted on 11/18/2012 6:59:32 PM PST by acapesket
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To: exit82

Apparently Rubio’s parents became legal residents but did not get citizenship until Rubio was four.

This will lead to Democrat Birthers, which might be amusing in a primary, but Rubio can’t be president.


42 posted on 11/18/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by DBrow
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To: A CA Guy

Your pantywaist, etch-a-sketch progressive spawn off of a Mexican chicken ranch simpered and mewled his way to a well deserved defeat. If he could not handle a catamite like Obama, what would he have done in the big leagues with Putin?

Backstabbing and undermining conservatives is all Willard is good for in his public record.

Don’t tell me what he -says- look at what he has done, and failed to do.

Here he is “helping” McCain in 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPGnJmbDq08

The GOP as an institution is not merely dead, it is rotten. Bury the carcass and be done with the pretense that it is just sleeping and about to get up.


43 posted on 11/18/2012 7:08:46 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: napscoordinator

Tell me, who sounds more like the RINO in this exchange? The person pointing out Obama’s socialist vote-bribery, or the quick-to-break critics who simply cannot believe people vote for those who give them stuff?

You do realize these individuals are clearly indicating that they believe we should emulate the Democrat concept of “inclusion” AKA - amnesty, free birth control pills. Let me guess, you’re happy to back people who seem even more “flexible” in their core beliefs than Romney?

Are you backing the Christie 2016 ticket?


44 posted on 11/18/2012 7:09:12 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: napscoordinator

“You do know he would have been a disaster as much if not more then Obama. Stop sticking up for the RINO!!!!”

Well then i’m sure you’re happy that the American-hating Muslim-in-plain sight has won again. can i send my expanded tax bill to you and your ilk here on FR ?


45 posted on 11/18/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by IWONDR
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To: Catsrus

He was born to two people, neither of which were American citizens when he was born.

Were you born to non citizen parents also?


46 posted on 11/18/2012 7:31:03 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: DBrow

No, his parents did not become American citizens until he was fours old.


47 posted on 11/18/2012 7:33:19 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: DBrow

I see you did some further research.

I agree with your conclusion in #42.


48 posted on 11/18/2012 7:37:06 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Psalm 144

I won’t vote for another RINO chosen by Karl Rove. I will never vote for Jeb or his son. I’ll vote 3rd party or sit it out. If the Repubs won’t even do anything about the fraud, then what’s the point of supporting them. It’s pitiful. I would like to see a 3rd party starting up right now so we can have a strong candidate in 4 years. Why vote if the dems are going to hide ballots, mess with the machines and bribe people to vote. I won’t do it.


49 posted on 11/18/2012 8:14:16 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Bratch; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

FUMR. Only an AH would call voters who he needs (and didnt get) to elect him moochers while claiming he is winning when he is really losing. He is a disgrace.

Romney lost against a Dem POTUS who has a bad economy. He deserves our utter contempt.

Way too many here drank the Romney Koolaid. Basic rule : Don’t get high on your own supply. Don’t start believing your own BS.


50 posted on 11/18/2012 8:23:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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