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EPA rules Ariz. power plants must upgrade
http://www.bensonnews-sun.com ^ | november 18, 2012

Posted on 11/18/2012 7:47:15 PM PST by lowbridge

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency met a deadline Thursday on a plan to control emissions from three Arizona power plants that it contends have impaired visibility at places like the Grand Canyon.

The Associated Press reports that the EPA had proposed approving Arizona's air-quality plan to reduce sulfur dioxide and soot at the Apache coal-fired plant in Cochise, along with the Cholla and Coronado plants. But when it came to nitrogen oxide emissions, the EPA suggested the state's plan didn't go far enough and came up with one of its own.

The conflict highlights the tension between the EPA and businesses after an election season in which the notion of heavy-handed environmental regulations became a popular argument for Republican candidates. Arizona and the administration of Republican Gov. Jan Brewer contend the EPA's proposals would cost hundreds of millionsof dollars, causing utility rates to sharply increase for residents.

Instead of low nitrogen-oxide burners, the EPA hinted it might require that some of plants' older units be equipped with selective catalytic reduction technology to keep 17,000 tons nitrogen oxide from being released into the air and causing visibility issues at 18 national parks and wilderness areas.

(Excerpt) Read more at bensonnews-sun.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; epa; necessarilyskyrocket; obamapower; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 11/18/2012 7:47:27 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: steelyourfaith; Nachum

Ping.


2 posted on 11/18/2012 7:48:20 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: lowbridge

Power plants will soon need to be protected by armed guards with machine guns.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 7:53:21 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: lowbridge

The feds going after Arizona...who’d have thought. Paging EH...


4 posted on 11/18/2012 7:58:23 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: lowbridge

Wonder if this is part of the revenge Jarrett said was coming after Obama was elected.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 7:59:57 PM PST by EmilyGeiger (s)
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To: unixfox

I think the head of the EPA has been sniffing nitrogen oxide


6 posted on 11/18/2012 8:00:02 PM PST by molson209
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 8:00:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

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8 posted on 11/18/2012 8:06:44 PM PST by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

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9 posted on 11/18/2012 8:07:49 PM PST by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: lowbridge
To put an end to this federal tyranny, a state -- just one state-- needs to step forward and just say no.

It may as well be Arizona.

It may as well be now.

10 posted on 11/18/2012 8:09:59 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: lowbridge

When the power plant owners shrug and pull a Hostess, the rates will really go down!


11 posted on 11/18/2012 8:11:02 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BAL1OK/)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I hope the governor tells them to pound sand. The EPA needs to be reined in.


12 posted on 11/18/2012 8:11:18 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: lowbridge
Cheap energy = prosperity for all.

Expensive energy = prosperity for the big-government/big-corporate criminal complex.

13 posted on 11/18/2012 8:16:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: lowbridge

Is the science being claimed, even valid? How do they know the plants are making the haze?


14 posted on 11/18/2012 8:18:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: lowbridge

This is BS. An engineer who works with the plant up in Page said the source of coal used there is the cleanest burning in the country.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 8:19:11 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: ChocChipCookie

Like I said is the science even any better than that of globull warming? Supposing they DID put all that expensive junk on their smoke stacks, would it stop any of the haze they’re complaining about?


16 posted on 11/18/2012 8:23:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: lowbridge

A fourth plant is also on the list - on Navahoe land.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865559538/Could-new-EPA-rule-shut-down-Wests-biggest-coal-plant.html?pg=all

1.1 billion to ‘fix’ (reduce by 40%)the emissions. Lease for the land the plant sits on runs out in 2019. Owners are talking of pulling the plug - sux to live in Arizona right now.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 8:23:45 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

the haze is blowing in from China


18 posted on 11/18/2012 8:25:56 PM PST by molson209
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To: ASOC

The EPA seems to be an economic terrorist organization.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 8:26:42 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: molson209

no kidding? all the way to Arizona? without even stopping in California first?


20 posted on 11/18/2012 8:27:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Trod Upon

no just Obsessed With Control


21 posted on 11/18/2012 8:28:12 PM PST by molson209
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To: ASOC

INJUNS DEFEND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO MAKE SMOKE SIGNALS!


22 posted on 11/18/2012 8:28:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There is no haze. I was at the Four Corners area and the Grand Canyon last month. In all the years I’ve visited, I’ve never seen “haze” there. This is absolute BS!

That part of the country probably has the cleanest air anywhere. You normally can see 60 miles. At one overlook, I could see a mountain that was about 120 miles away.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 8:28:55 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: molson209

In the end the same, remember the brouhaha about crucifying their enemies?


24 posted on 11/18/2012 8:29:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

you can shut down everything ,but China and India will keep pumping 100 times more


25 posted on 11/18/2012 8:30:35 PM PST by molson209
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To: Mr Rogers

purple haze... is in the epa’s brain
somehow things just don’t seem the same
acting strange, and i don’t know why


26 posted on 11/18/2012 8:31:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station power plant located in Tonopah, Arizona,is about 45 miles west of central Phoenix. It is the largest nuclear generation facility in the United States, averaging over 3.3 gigawatts (GW) of electrical power production in 2008. Arizona should use all of this power for Arizona only! Let California build their own power plants. Palo Verde could pick up some of the lost power caused by the federal restrictions!


27 posted on 11/18/2012 8:41:47 PM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: lowbridge

I could be wrong, but aren’t these coal fired electric generating plants burning coal from open pit coal mines on Indian land. Some years back the Indians let in the coal miners in order to increase tribal revenue. The lease payments and extraction payments have become very important to the tribe as payments trickle down to every member on the tribal lands and even some away in cities. They don’t have the casino deals as there are few population centers near the tribal lands as the Vegas crowd (Harry Reid’s paymasters) have fought Indian casinos.

What happens to these Indians when the EPA essentially shuts down the electric plants and the mines lose their biggest and almost only customer? Will Great Leader Obama take care of his red/brown brothers?


28 posted on 11/18/2012 8:43:48 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: lowbridge
I repeated to myself the words, "environmental protection agency" about a half dozen times, very slowly, with special emphasis on "protection".

I drifted into an altered state of Orwellian bliss and strangely, the numbers 1984 appeared as if in a vision, floating in front of my eyes!.

Try it, it's really cool!

29 posted on 11/18/2012 8:52:39 PM PST by liege (I'll pay more for tomatoes...or lettuce.)
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To: lowbridge
There are two major constitutional problems with the EPA, and other so-called "independent federal regulatory agencies," imo. To begin with, the Founding States made THE VERY FIRST numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that ALL federal legislative powers are vested in the ELECTED members of Congress. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on all federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not. And by delegating federal legislative powers to third party agences, Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters imo.

Here's Section 1 of Article I:

All (emphasis added) legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

In other words, the only reason that I can figure that cititizens and businesses reluctantly ask the EPA, "how high," when the EPA dictates, "Jump!," is because citizens are not being taught constitutional limits on federal government powers in the nation's schools.

Also, what's even worse than Congress unconstitutionally delegating regulatory powers to constitutonally undefined federal agencies like the EPA is this imo. The states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate environmental issues, the 10th Amendment clarifying in general that the Constituton's silence about such things means that such issues are automatically uniquely state power issues. So not only is Congress wrongly delegating legislative powers to rogue federal agencies, but Congress is delegating powers which the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution.

Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if Congress's unconstitutonal delegation of federal regulatory powers to agencies like the EPA is nothing more than smoke-and-mirrors way for corrupt Congress to bypass its Article V requirement to petition the states for specific new powers via constitutional amendments.

What a mess! :^(

30 posted on 11/18/2012 9:06:19 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: molson209

She’s certainly blowing up like a balloon. So either sniffing or eating way too much sugar. Uh oh, moochelle isn’t gonna be happy about that.


31 posted on 11/18/2012 9:09:01 PM PST by Josa
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To: molson209
Here is a view of the Beijing area ( top left center ) on Christmas day, 2007. This is the worst I've ever seen it ( although I haven't really been looking lately ) but the pollution is there is often shockingly bad. The type of thing the EPA is harping on in AZ is 1/100 or even 1/1000 as bad. To me, the gloss of Chinese pollution in public discussion is an outrageous fact in itself.


32 posted on 11/18/2012 9:09:18 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: AZamericonnie; HiJinx

EPA is messing with the state again.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 9:14:37 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Amendment10

Your posting capsules the situation. The AGs of many States should jointly file suit in Federal Courts (to elevate to SCOTUS) to abolish such regulatory agencies like the EPA.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 1:35:07 AM PST by octex
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To: lowbridge
impaired visibility at places like the Grand Canyon

Next, I bet obama is going to close the Grand Canyon since the numerous visitors are spoiling the natural environment.

35 posted on 11/19/2012 2:20:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: lowbridge

A lot of people live in the Grand Canyon, we have to hold down the pollution there for their safety.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 5:45:09 AM PST by Venturer
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To: lowbridge

I wouldn’t upgrade, I’d just shut them down. Welcome to the third world.

Alternately, I’d tell the USEPA to go pound sand, arm up, and challenge them to MAKE me upgrade.


37 posted on 11/19/2012 5:47:44 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: EmilyGeiger
Wonder if this is part of the revenge Jarrett said was coming after Obama was elected.

Just think what they have in store for Koch Industries.
38 posted on 11/19/2012 5:54:46 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: meyer

Amen......

If the EPA sends inspectors, put them in jail


39 posted on 11/19/2012 5:59:18 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: meyer

Has anyone from the east coast been out to the west lately? What pollution, you inner-city-hazed morons? You can see for miles and miles on ANY day. This EPA stuff is utter bullcr*p. It is like when I was a kid and some self-promoting french clod named Jacques Cousteau taught us from his documentaries that the oceans are filled with plastic and assorted pollutants. They aren’t.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 6:01:50 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: lowbridge

If Obama can’t get us, the EPA will! Isn’t that stuff in the canyon blowing in from CA?


41 posted on 11/19/2012 6:06:19 AM PST by yoe
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To: SandRat

Figures....face it, we’re in the crosshairs. *sigh*


42 posted on 11/19/2012 12:04:59 PM PST by AZamericonnie
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To: AZamericonnie

Isn’t sad?


43 posted on 11/19/2012 4:44:12 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: AZamericonnie

Isn’t it sad?


44 posted on 11/19/2012 4:44:39 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: lowbridge

The EPA is shutting down power plants all over the place. I believe they have target not less than 200.

Is it time yet?


45 posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:53 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: lowbridge

I hope if they are forced to shut down it causes power shortages and brownouts / blackouts in California.


46 posted on 11/19/2012 4:50:55 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You are spot on. The American economic system is built on cheap energy and low regulation. Obama is working diligently to kill all that.


47 posted on 11/19/2012 4:52:39 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: SandRat
One of the targeted plants is our own SSVEC plant in near Wilcox. We went to the public comment meeting and there were over 300 people there to protest this action. The EPA admits there will be no discernable improvement to the “haze”.
This has long reaching effects. First, as a co-op, SSVEC is going to have to dramatically increase their rates, or shut down. The estimated cost to do the upgrades the EPA wants is over $8 million dollars plus an annual maintenance cost of over $1 million. They are already in the midst of a costly upgrade but EPA says it is not enough. Second, most of the coal for our plant comes a coal field in Wyoming. My husband's nephew is a foreman there. They have been told if this goes through, they will shut down in two years. All those mine jobs plus the railroad jobs (they just finished a second line) that get the coal down here. Gone.
48 posted on 11/20/2012 9:41:12 AM PST by AZHSer
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To: AZHSer
All thanks to EnviroNutties, Libs, DemocRATS, and O-Pharaoh-Bama.

It's been said before to a Pharaoh of old, but I'll say it again,

"LET MY PEOPLE GO!!"

49 posted on 11/20/2012 10:17:44 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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