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1 posted on 11/18/2012 7:47:27 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: steelyourfaith; Nachum

Ping.


2 posted on 11/18/2012 7:48:20 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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Power plants will soon need to be protected by armed guards with machine guns.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 7:53:21 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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The feds going after Arizona...who’d have thought. Paging EH...


4 posted on 11/18/2012 7:58:23 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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Wonder if this is part of the revenge Jarrett said was coming after Obama was elected.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 7:59:57 PM PST by EmilyGeiger (s)
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7 posted on 11/18/2012 8:00:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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8 posted on 11/18/2012 8:06:44 PM PST by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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9 posted on 11/18/2012 8:07:49 PM PST by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To put an end to this federal tyranny, a state -- just one state-- needs to step forward and just say no.

It may as well be Arizona.

It may as well be now.

10 posted on 11/18/2012 8:09:59 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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When the power plant owners shrug and pull a Hostess, the rates will really go down!


11 posted on 11/18/2012 8:11:02 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BAL1OK/)
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Cheap energy = prosperity for all.

Expensive energy = prosperity for the big-government/big-corporate criminal complex.

13 posted on 11/18/2012 8:16:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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Is the science being claimed, even valid? How do they know the plants are making the haze?


14 posted on 11/18/2012 8:18:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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This is BS. An engineer who works with the plant up in Page said the source of coal used there is the cleanest burning in the country.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 8:19:11 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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A fourth plant is also on the list - on Navahoe land.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865559538/Could-new-EPA-rule-shut-down-Wests-biggest-coal-plant.html?pg=all

1.1 billion to ‘fix’ (reduce by 40%)the emissions. Lease for the land the plant sits on runs out in 2019. Owners are talking of pulling the plug - sux to live in Arizona right now.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 8:23:45 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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I could be wrong, but aren’t these coal fired electric generating plants burning coal from open pit coal mines on Indian land. Some years back the Indians let in the coal miners in order to increase tribal revenue. The lease payments and extraction payments have become very important to the tribe as payments trickle down to every member on the tribal lands and even some away in cities. They don’t have the casino deals as there are few population centers near the tribal lands as the Vegas crowd (Harry Reid’s paymasters) have fought Indian casinos.

What happens to these Indians when the EPA essentially shuts down the electric plants and the mines lose their biggest and almost only customer? Will Great Leader Obama take care of his red/brown brothers?


28 posted on 11/18/2012 8:43:48 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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I repeated to myself the words, "environmental protection agency" about a half dozen times, very slowly, with special emphasis on "protection".

I drifted into an altered state of Orwellian bliss and strangely, the numbers 1984 appeared as if in a vision, floating in front of my eyes!.

Try it, it's really cool!

29 posted on 11/18/2012 8:52:39 PM PST by liege (I'll pay more for tomatoes...or lettuce.)
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There are two major constitutional problems with the EPA, and other so-called "independent federal regulatory agencies," imo. To begin with, the Founding States made THE VERY FIRST numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that ALL federal legislative powers are vested in the ELECTED members of Congress. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on all federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not. And by delegating federal legislative powers to third party agences, Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters imo.

Here's Section 1 of Article I:

All (emphasis added) legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

In other words, the only reason that I can figure that cititizens and businesses reluctantly ask the EPA, "how high," when the EPA dictates, "Jump!," is because citizens are not being taught constitutional limits on federal government powers in the nation's schools.

Also, what's even worse than Congress unconstitutionally delegating regulatory powers to constitutonally undefined federal agencies like the EPA is this imo. The states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate environmental issues, the 10th Amendment clarifying in general that the Constituton's silence about such things means that such issues are automatically uniquely state power issues. So not only is Congress wrongly delegating legislative powers to rogue federal agencies, but Congress is delegating powers which the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution.

Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if Congress's unconstitutonal delegation of federal regulatory powers to agencies like the EPA is nothing more than smoke-and-mirrors way for corrupt Congress to bypass its Article V requirement to petition the states for specific new powers via constitutional amendments.

What a mess! :^(

30 posted on 11/18/2012 9:06:19 PM PST by Amendment10
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EPA is messing with the state again.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 9:14:37 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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impaired visibility at places like the Grand Canyon

Next, I bet obama is going to close the Grand Canyon since the numerous visitors are spoiling the natural environment.

35 posted on 11/19/2012 2:20:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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A lot of people live in the Grand Canyon, we have to hold down the pollution there for their safety.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 5:45:09 AM PST by Venturer
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I wouldn’t upgrade, I’d just shut them down. Welcome to the third world.

Alternately, I’d tell the USEPA to go pound sand, arm up, and challenge them to MAKE me upgrade.


37 posted on 11/19/2012 5:47:44 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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