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Concealed Carrier Accused of Affair Pulls Gun on Attacker(OH)
guns.com ^ | dabneybailey

Posted on 11/19/2012 6:36:11 AM PST by marktwain

An altercation at a Walmart parking lot in Norwalk, Ohio ended when a man drew his concealed carry handgun on another man who punched him in the face and accused him of having an affair with his wife.

Police said 37-year-old Eric Meade and 29-year-old Zachary Crumrine were both shopping at the department store on Monday afternoon. Meade spotted Crumrine pushing his shopping cart out the exit of the building and then confronted him, accused him of sleeping with his wife and proceeded to punch him in the nose, according to the Norwalk Reflector. Meade continued to attack him and apparently did enough damage to cause Crumrine's nose to bleed.

During the attack, however, Crumrine drew his .40-caliber Kimber pistol (probably one of their many 1911s (as that's mostly the style of handgun the company makes)) and pointed it at Meade with the intention of preventing further attack, Norwalk Police Chief Dave Light told the newspaper.

According to another report, being at the business end of a handgun didn't stop Meade from further attacking Crumrine. It wasn't until a group of Walmart employees came out to witness the assault in progress for both Meade and Crumrine to calm down. Meade stopped hitting Crumrine, and Crumrine put away his gun.

Police arrived shortly after and arrested Meade, charging him with assault and a first-degree misdemeanor, which he later pleaded not guilty to. His trial is scheduled for Dec. 4 and if convicted faces up to six months in jail and a $1,000 maximum fine.

You may be wondering, though, why didn't Crumrine shoot his attacker? Certainly this was an incredibly dramatic situation. You have a jealous husband, a supposedly cheating wife, and a possible homewrecker. Perhaps Crumrine was sleeping with Meade's wife, which was never actually said by authorities, and he couldn't shoot him because he felt guilty. Or maybe Crumrine saw Meade as off-his-meds and didn't see the situation as life-threatening.

The only answer we have, however, is, as Light told the Reflector, "[The pistol] was loaded, but no round was in the chamber itself."

Crumrine, who has a CCW permit, won't be charged with a crime, Light told the newspaper. "He did not break any law. By pulling the gun, he did exactly what the concealed carry law is for -- defending yourself," Light said. "We reviewed the [Walmart] video and that's consistent with what Crumrine said."

"I don't know if this guy [Meade] would have stopped hitting him if he hadn't pulled the gun on him," he added.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: assault; banglist; defense; oh
Pictures at the link. Many people have been killed by a single punch to the head. I teach this in my CCW course. Once you know this, you can testify in court that you knew that an attack with a fist is a deadly attack.
1 posted on 11/19/2012 6:36:21 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Pulled a gun and then continued to let the guy punch him.

Why didn’t he just give the gun to his attacker?


2 posted on 11/19/2012 6:48:13 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: marktwain
"[The pistol] was loaded, but no round was in the chamber itself."

*sigh*
3 posted on 11/19/2012 6:51:37 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: RandallFlagg
I think this comes up once or twice a month here on FR.

There's a small but dedicated faction that believes that loaded firearms are dangerous.

Imagine that.
4 posted on 11/19/2012 6:57:13 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

This is one the [many] reasons we are a Sig P22X household. I have complete confidence the weapon(s) is safe with a round in the chamber.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 7:06:11 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: RandallFlagg

DA revolvers are the only way to go when stuff happens fast.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:53 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr; All
DA revolvers are the only way to go when stuff happens fast.

Glocks are designed to be used like a double action revolver with 18 rounds capacity and a 5.5 pound double action trigger pull.

That is why they have become the most popular police firearm in the world.

7 posted on 11/19/2012 7:12:05 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Blueflag

I carried a P226 and then a P229 for some time. Great guns, still have the P226 since it was the first handgun I’ve ever owned. Bought it in West Germany in 1988.

I sold the P229 so I could buy a Glock 19. With a proper holster, I’m 100% confident that my Glock is safe and ready to rock, if needed.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 7:12:35 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: marktwain

“a 5.5 pound double action trigger pull. That is why they have become the most popular police firearm in the world.”

Which is why New York changed theirs to a 12lb trigger?

I think the reason they are popular is marketing and cost. Glocks are cheap compared to the cost and maintenance of other firearms. Money talks with government agencies. However, I don’t think they are the most popular brand. Smith & Wesson still ranks up there as do Colt, Sig, and Ruger, and Beretta.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 7:24:16 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Nice.

Our P220s are German-made. Old school with none of the new rails for mounting accessories. Just good ol’ fashioned point and shoot P220s.

We have multiple shooters in the house, so with everyone having a Sig, ‘we’ can be assured of knowing how to handle any handgun in the armory on an as-needed basis.

Only three calibers in the household: .22, .223 and .45 ACP. Again, standardization and familiarization being the guiding principles.

Adding a 12 gauge for Christmas.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 7:26:15 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: marktwain
"[The pistol] was loaded, but no round was in the chamber itself."

And this, boys and girls, is why we ALWAYS carry "condition 1".

11 posted on 11/19/2012 7:27:33 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain
That is why they (Glocks) have become the most popular police sidearm in the world.

Lol. It had nothing at all to do with systematically underbidding every other competitor as a form of "loss leader" to generate the buzz to drive civilian sales at much higher prices. Nothing at all the fans will tell you.

No DA revolver ever made featured a 5.5 pound primary trigger pull.
12 posted on 11/19/2012 7:31:25 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: SJSAMPLE
There's a small but dedicated faction that believes that loaded firearms are dangerous.

They ARE dangerous...to bad guys!

13 posted on 11/19/2012 7:32:24 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

He should have just started to clean it.

Then it would have gone off.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 7:46:37 AM PST by freedomlover
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To: marktwain

I’m a revolver person. It’s what I got my wife and recommend to women. Nothing to worry about, just pull trigger. no initial chambering , nothing to think about when stuff happens fast.


15 posted on 11/19/2012 7:48:05 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
DA revolvers are the only way to go when stuff happens fast.

Can't argue that.
However, I've been getting pretty quick deploying and accurately firing my XDm .45 from my Supertuck.
16 posted on 11/19/2012 7:52:02 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: RandallFlagg

I’ve found that a lot of folks not familiar with handguns tend to get flustered easily, even at the range. I got my wife a Charter Arms .38Spl. It’s all she can handle and she likes the fact that all there is to do is pull the trigger.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 7:57:54 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Goldsborough; All
Lol. It had nothing at all to do with systematically underbidding every other competitor as a form of "loss leader" to generate the buzz to drive civilian sales at much higher prices. Nothing at all the fans will tell you.

No DA revolver ever made featured a 5.5 pound primary trigger pull.

The fact that Glock's design features and quality allowed them them to win the Austrian military pistol competition, the fact that they were designed in such a way as to allow them to be produced cheaper than any other serious military pistol, had a lot to do with it.

The fact that fully loaded with 18 rounds, a Glock 17 weighs less than most loaded six shot revolvers, is a big plus.

You are correct, no DA revolver ever made featured a 5.5 pound double action pull. This is an advantage to the Glock. Their "Safe Action" gives most of the advantages of a double action pull with out the disadvantages.

18 posted on 11/19/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by marktwain
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To: SJSAMPLE

There’s a small but dedicated faction that believes that loaded firearms are dangerous.


I believe a loaded firearm is dangerous. It would be pretty damned worthless if it weren’t!


19 posted on 11/19/2012 8:18:10 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
You are correct, no DA revolver ever made featured a 5.5 pound double action pull. This is an advantage to the Glock. Their "Safe Action" gives most of the advantages of a double action pull with out the disadvantages.

The foremost of those "missing" advantages from the DA revolver trigger weight and design is that Glocks' safety against accidental and negligent discharges is inherently poor.

This has to be why there were never terms like "wheelgun leg" or "revolver racing stripe" to denote a bullet wounding one's lower limb.

"Safe Action" is disingenuous marketing hype for what is effectively a partially cocked and unlocked single action weighted trigger pull with a short travel that is nothing at all like a longer stroking DA revolver.
20 posted on 11/19/2012 8:45:05 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: marktwain

Thinking about this scenario, I would have gone for my secondary weapon, a knife, first.

To start with, you’re pushing a shopping cart in a very public place, someone you may or may not know advances on you.

That they can close the gap *while* accusing you of having an affair with their wife means that they are already in your face, likely, before you realize there is enough dangerous intent to draw on them.

Bam! They punch you, or sucker punch you, in the face. This is happening very fast, and you need that gun out now!

But this is where a backup knife is very handy. You are briefly stunned from the punch, and the attacker is still on you. With knife out and point towards him you are instantly equalized. If he comes in again, he gets poked.

Though not in this case, alcohol is often a factor as well, and they may be so out of it to not even see a gun pointed at them, sometimes not even realizing they have been shot—not in the optimal center of mass, either, because they are too close.

But poking, slicing and dicing is a great way to refocus their attention in a hurry. Easy to do even if your bell is ringing and you’ve got a standing eight count.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 8:55:42 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: marktwain
"I don't know if this guy [Meade] would have stopped hitting him if he hadn't pulled the gun on him," he added.

The article said it didn't.

22 posted on 11/19/2012 9:01:35 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: marktwain

“...no round in the chamber.”

What a dunce.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 9:22:33 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: marktwain

Battle of the Secondaries: Glock versus 1911

http://policelink.monster.com/training/articles/132491-battle-of-the-secondaries-glock-versus-1911


24 posted on 11/19/2012 10:43:41 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: marktwain
And the Winner Is: The .45 is the ‘AK-47′ of Autoloaders http://kitup.military.com/2011/03/and-the-winner-is-the-45-is-the-ak-47-of-autoloaders.html
25 posted on 11/19/2012 10:48:16 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

I’d hardly compare the M1911 to the AK-47.
The AK-47 is the epitome of reliability, while the 1911 is anything but. Even the best custom 1911 makers agree that it has to be hand-fitted to function properly.

No, the Glock 17 and 19 are more comparable. Extremely reliable without the need to refit half the parts as soon as you buy one.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 11:26:32 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Blueflag
"I have complete confidence the weapon(s) is safe with a round in the chamber."

Same with my HK P7: it is totally inert until sights are on target and I squeeze the grip. In most cases that is done by my off hand when I lock up into the modified Weaver stance / grip.

27 posted on 11/19/2012 7:21:15 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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