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Israel's Iron Dome A Missile Defense Success
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | November 19, 2012

Posted on 11/19/2012 5:03:52 PM PST by raptor22

Security: As Hamas launches rockets toward Israeli population centers, Tel Aviv's investment in missile defense passes its acid test, destroying the vast majority. The U.S., meanwhile, is moving in just the opposite direction.

On Sunday, Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system successfully shot down two Iranian-made Fajr-5 rockets aimed at the heart of Tel-Aviv by Hamas' armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades. It was just one of many such interceptions by what is now the world's only battle-tested missile defense system.

The "Fajr" (Dawn) series are mobile-launched, unguided, solid-fuel artillery rockets developed by Iran during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war with the likely help of Russia and China. It is believed that in 2001 Iran first supplied Fajr-5 rockets to Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. And now Hamas has them.

The Israeli Defense Ministry deployed an upgraded Iron Dome missile battery in the Gush Dan area in central Israel on Saturday morning. Roughly equivalent to the U.S. Patriot missile defense system, the battery is the fifth Iron Dome system operational in Israel.

In total, Palestinians fired 740 rockets toward the Jewish state in the first few days of Operation Pillar of Defense, which began last Wednesday. They ranged from the Fajr-5 to the unsophisticated Katyusha rockets, but only around 30 of those landed in built-up areas

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamas; ibd; irondome; israel; missiledefense; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror

1 posted on 11/19/2012 5:03:56 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Israel has to go in and destroy every rocket they can find!


2 posted on 11/19/2012 5:07:58 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: raptor22

Would be nice to have a tracking system that sends a rocket back to the source. Maybe something that has a large blast radius.


3 posted on 11/19/2012 5:08:55 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldsten of the modern era.)
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To: raptor22

“It was just one of many such interceptions by what is now the world’s only battle-tested missile defense system.”

So are the Patriot Missiles gone? Wouldn’t you call them battle-tested? Am I that old?


4 posted on 11/19/2012 5:11:34 PM PST by Portcall24
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To: T Minus Four

Glad-to-be-of-assistance-ping


5 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:09 PM PST by 4mer Liberal
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To: Red_Devil 232
Suspect that Iran is sending a message - attack us and we'll unleash Hamas from the soyth and Hezbollah from the north.
6 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:18 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22
And now Hamas has them.

I'm very interested in how they got them. Israel's kept a pretty tight lid on the seafaring ports, so that means they probably came from Egypt. More fruits of the Arab Spring?

7 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Portcall24

No, that bothered me too. Not new and sexy enough, I guess...


8 posted on 11/19/2012 5:14:48 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: raptor22

this is a situation of Hamas serving as an Iranian combat surrogate to test and learn the limits and vulnerabilities of the Iron Dome system . Also to degrade IDF stockpiles of munitions supporting this system , making them vulnerable to being overrun by not distant future Iranian barrages of missiles . Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah know that an America under the Obama regime will not support or resupply Israel’s military requirements for resupply anymore . They are on their own . They can only , ultimately , rely on their nukes at this point . Get-it-on time is right around the corner . Are you ready?


9 posted on 11/19/2012 5:15:01 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Portcall24

Israel is relying on its own resources, particularly since Obama is throwing them under the Iranian bus. Patriots are battle-tested, but Iron Dome is the only one battle-tested in defense of a nation’s own territory.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 5:17:35 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Would be nice to have a tracking system that sends a rocket back to the source. Maybe something that has a large blast radius.

We have that capability. We need to be sharing and assisting Israel, but I don't have any hopes of the Muslim in chief doing so. Damn it, this ticks me off.

11 posted on 11/19/2012 5:22:45 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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12 posted on 11/19/2012 5:23:14 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:24:11 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I'm very interested in how they got them.

The tunnels in from Egypt are unbelievable - they make the Mexican smuggling tunnels look like amateur efforts.

14 posted on 11/19/2012 5:24:33 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: LeoWindhorse

An interesting post. Are the Israelis burning up their stock of sophisticated weapons against these bargain basement rockets?


15 posted on 11/19/2012 5:25:36 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: raptor22
Israel's Iron Dome A Missile Defense Success

Depends on your perspective.

Not a success if you are a palee.

Not a success if you are Iran or Morsi or Meshal.

Not a success if you are 0bama.

16 posted on 11/19/2012 5:28:32 PM PST by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Would be nice to have a tracking system that sends a rocket back to the source. Maybe something that has a large blast radius.

What you're talking about is called counter-battery radar guided artillery which has been around since the eighties. The Israelis have this capability in their Shilem system. They could easily lob 155mm artillery shells back to the rocket launch sites, but they don't use these against Hamas because they're not as accurate as guided bombs and would hit more civilians.

17 posted on 11/19/2012 5:37:08 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: raptor22

I wish they could figure out lasers and possibly rail-guns. The upfront investment is a lot, but the per shoot down cost hopefully would be much better. I wonder how much the iron dome missiles are per copy?


18 posted on 11/19/2012 5:37:12 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: RobertClark

I’d use the IDF to create a WIDE buffer zone between Sinai and Gaza....then ANNEX the buffer zone.

It’s an interesting thing to note that since Israel is now in full on war mobilization mode with bomb shelters readied and the civilians and reserves prepared.. it’s a great time to hit Iran.

Israel has a reserve army that cannot be pulled away from their lives too often or for too long at a time. This means Israel must always take care of business quickly when the reserves are called....so the urge is to take out Gaza, Hez in Lebanon, Egypt and Iran while the IDF is mobilized...perhaps lay some hurt on Syria as well if they act up.

And please, this time ANNEX the northern half of the Sinai!
Bargain away the southern half if you must but never let Egypt close to the current border again.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 5:42:34 PM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: RobertClark

We have that capability. We need to be sharing and assisting Israel, but I don’t have any hopes of the Muslim in chief doing so. Damn it, this ticks me off.

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Then we really need to repent of our sins (divorce, porn, adultery, loving money, ...) and pray earnestly and faithfully in Jesus’ name for a Christian revival, since only God can rescue us at this point.


20 posted on 11/19/2012 5:43:03 PM PST by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: nascarnation

they are being forced to , it is Iran’s strategy


21 posted on 11/19/2012 5:43:47 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The Iron Dome has an integrated detection and tracking system that creates the best intercept calculation.

The HamAss/Iranian rockets can't be controlled - they're unguided.

"The "Fajr" (Dawn) series are mobile-launched, unguided, solid-fuel artillery rockets "

22 posted on 11/19/2012 6:04:12 PM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Its Debka, FWIW..

http://www.debka.com/article/22541/Iranian-arms-ship-carries-fresh-improved-Fajar-supplies-for-Gaza


23 posted on 11/19/2012 6:11:31 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obsteperous gentleman..)
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To: Bobalu
I’d use the IDF to create a WIDE buffer zone between Sinai and Gaza....then ANNEX the buffer zone.

Excellent idea. Hamas is firing rockets with what, up to a 40 mile range right now? Fine, I'd push 50 miles into the Sinai. Everything between the border and the edge of the buffer zone would be under strict military/marshal law.

24 posted on 11/19/2012 7:45:57 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I wish they could figure out lasers and possibly rail-guns.

Real close to a working system now. Google "raytheon laser ciws"... As I under stand it, they've ganged together COTS (welding?) lasers and mated them to the radar and targeting system of the CIWS. I thought I had read/heard somewhere they had shot down "other stuff" besides the drone, but I can't find it now.

25 posted on 11/19/2012 7:49:44 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: raptor22

I wonder why radar guided AAA can’t be employed as as first line of defense against these inexpensive dumb rockets? If the flak can’t get it, then go to the more expensive iron dome.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 9:17:37 PM PST by fso301
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To: FreeAtlanta

Look into THEL, M-THEL, the Nautilus laser project and the airborne Anti-Ballistic Missile Laser or ABL. They have figured them out and they do work.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 10:38:34 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: raptor22

Great answer with enough spin to sound reasonable. Of course the text stated it was the “world’s” only system. Regardless your answer was enough to get you a job in politics...just kidding. Seriously, thanks for replying.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 4:17:21 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: raptor22

Hillary is on her way to meddle and make the situation far worse.


29 posted on 11/20/2012 4:21:27 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

Good Lord, they should find some way to get her banned from entering the country.

If I had a wish it would be to be a member of Israels armament development team, anything to become totally independent, especially since Obama is absolutely against Israel.

Its that Muslim thing of his.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 4:28:04 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Portcall24
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5

This weapon seems more like long range (75-mile max) artillery than it is like a medium-range (2-500 mile) missile. That is, the gizmo stays within the atmosphere the whole time. As a result, the anti-missile tracking software is different than the old Patriot.

When the wildly imprecise SCUDS were re-entering the atmosphere they broke up into hundreds of pieces ... so the Patriots were more of a psychological boost to the Israeli civvie population, just as the inaccurate SCUDS were ... unless one happened to kill you, or someone you knew ... a psychological terror weapon.

In a way, these FAJR 5s are more militarily effective than SCUDS and Iron Dome therefore has to be more militarily effective against them.

31 posted on 11/20/2012 12:10:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Whatever Obama got from Hawaii; it ain't what he showed us.)
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To: ROTB
Then we really need to repent of our sins (divorce, porn, adultery, loving money, ...) and pray earnestly and faithfully in Jesus’ name for a Christian revival, since only God can rescue us at this point.

Indeed. It seems that the USA has turned its back on the LORD.



32 posted on 11/20/2012 1:59:46 PM PST by rdb3 (We're all going to get what only some of us deserve...)
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