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California Republicans say McCarthy endorsed gerrymandering that lost them 4 seats
Human Events ^ | 11/19/2012 | John Gizzi

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:46:18 AM PST by old school

“Kevin McCarthy was a staunch defender of these new lines, reassuring everyone that Republicans would fare just fine under them,” said Jon Fleischman of the Flash Report, the much-read online newsletter on California politics. “Clearly, this turned out not to be the case– although he was easily re-elected to the safe seat drawn for him. Had he drawn a competitive district, I wonder if he would have been so enthusiastic about the lines he helped stopped others from trying to stop.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: 112th; ca2012; california; mccarthy; redistricting

1 posted on 11/20/2012 7:46:24 AM PST by old school
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To: old school

Gerrymandering is just voter fraud with a fancy name. Just vote by counties.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 7:47:59 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: old school

“Kevin McCarthy” YET another “soft-handed” “Female Part”!


3 posted on 11/20/2012 7:48:31 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: old school

Good thing I didn’t take the state GOP’s advise and vote ‘yes’ on the new district lines /s


4 posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:16 AM PST by skeeter
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To: old school

I see the Democrats having the meetings like the Nazis,

“Zis Distrikt ist now Republikanfrei!”


5 posted on 11/20/2012 7:51:05 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: old school

Conservatives should just Go Galt and leave California ASAP. Maybe move to Nevada and Colorado to shore up the patriots who have had the brain dead zombies invade them.

That way, when the inevitable happens, they won’t be around to suffer the consequences or get blamed for it.


6 posted on 11/20/2012 7:54:54 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: old school

I thought Republicans were an extinct specie in California?


7 posted on 11/20/2012 7:55:41 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: old school

CA Republicans? Haven’t they been put on the Endangered Species List?


8 posted on 11/20/2012 8:03:44 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: old school

I personally don’t think the congessional lines made THAT much of a difference.

What is really killing the GOP in CA is party registration, down to 29% statewide, 16% in LA. Just barely ahead of Declined to State. If current trends continue by 2014 GOP will be third in the state behind the Dems and Declined to State. There are now only 15 GOP congressman left out 0f 53 in the state delegation. The Dems now have super majorities in both houses of the state legislature, they can now pass tax increases without having to go to ballot initiatives. The GOP in CA has effectively been driven out of all of the major metropolitan areas except for Orange County. What few congressmen and state legislators we have left are mostly found in the most rural and remote corners of the state. Three more GOP congressmen were defeated in the last election-—Mary Bono Mack, Dan Lungren, and Brian Bilbray. CA is now as solidly blue as one party states like MA, RI, CT, and VT.

Sorry, Reagan Country is a thing of the past. Too bad CA used to be such a great state with a strong vibrant economy. Now an economic basket case, third highest unemployment rate in the nation, cities left and right filing for bankruptcy. The state government drowning in an ocean of debt.

Not my state anymore (yes I still live here) not my country anymore.


9 posted on 11/20/2012 8:12:33 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: old school

I personally don’t think the congessional lines made THAT much of a difference.

What is really killing the GOP in CA is party registration, down to 29% statewide, 16% in LA. Just barely ahead of Declined to State. If current trends continue by 2014 GOP will be third in the state behind the Dems and Declined to State. There are now only 15 GOP congressman left out 0f 53 in the state delegation. The Dems now have super majorities in both houses of the state legislature, they can now pass tax increases without having to go to ballot initiatives. The GOP in CA has effectively been driven out of all of the major metropolitan areas except for Orange County. What few congressmen and state legislators we have left are mostly found in the most rural and remote corners of the state. Three more GOP congressmen were defeated in the last election-—Mary Bono Mack, Dan Lungren, and Brian Bilbray. CA is now as solidly blue as one party states like MA, RI, CT, and VT.

Sorry, Reagan Country is a thing of the past. Too bad CA used to be such a great state with a strong vibrant economy. Now an economic basket case, third highest unemployment rate in the nation, cities left and right filing for bankruptcy. The state government drowning in an ocean of debt.

Not my state anymore (yes I still live here) not my country anymore.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 8:12:43 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: US Navy Vet

McCarty, Boner, Canther, all worthless t_ats.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 8:16:07 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
The question is why?

I don't know the answer, but what the CA r party has been doing to date certainly is not it.

12 posted on 11/20/2012 8:18:34 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Gerrymandering is just voter fraud with a fancy name. Just vote by counties.”

That’s what I would do for nationals. Every county gets 1 vote. Most counties won takes the prize. Should also be that way for the senate.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 8:19:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldsten of the modern era.)
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To: old school

“Republicans” in Tallahassee gerrymandered Allen West out of congress.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 8:24:08 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (')
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I must agree with those people who think that the California Republican Party is on the verge of extinction. The fact of party registration being down is, in part, of its own making. It was incapable of explaining its reason for being. It gave conservatives, or otherwise independent voters no reason to join it. It truly was a “Country Club.” And, that’s the way they wanted it!


15 posted on 11/20/2012 8:32:00 AM PST by old school
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To: going hot

Why?

Demographics, demographics, demographics. I think whites are now down to less than 40% of the population statewide, less than 30% of the poulation in L.A. County which contains a quarter of the population in the state.

While the voters in this state (including yours truly) rightly passed Prop 187 (initiative denying state services to illegal aliens) in turned the overwhelming majority of hispanics solidly against the GOP. And all of the brainwashing and indoctrination which goes on these public schools-—I know I have a child a in public school-—these kids learn far more about Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King than they do about our founding fathers and the reasons for our Revolutionary War. There are so many factors. The GOP brand in California is about as popular as a case of hemmeroids. Gay marriage is viewed as sacrosant. People are covered from head to toe with piercings and tattoos. You can’t light up a cigarette anywhere around here without having the SWAT team called out, yet pot dipensaries are all over the place. This place is beyond disgust. Truly the entitlement ethic has repaced the work ethic. So sad too, the state could be booming if it wanted too. There is PLENTY of oil here and other natural resources. But the libtards are adamantly opposed to drilling for it. We could have a real strong agricultural sector too, but the libs are more interested in protecting the Delta Smelt as opposed to providing water to the farmers. Even filming in Hollyweird is in decline, thanks mostly to high taxes and the unions. Unions run EVERYTHING here and control Sacramento completely. Things really suck here. No one thinks things through. People have their heads up their asses. So pathetic. CA has become a gigantic pig sty. Dems and unions run everything. To hell with business. They don’t care. Just as long as people can get their welfare checks and gimmees. Bill O’Reilly and Mitt Romney were absolutel right: The election was all about people wanting free stuff, not jobs.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:44 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: ilovesarah2012
Gerrymandering is just voter fraud with a fancy name. Just vote by counties.

There are approximately 3000+ organized counties or county equivalents in the US. Do you think we should have 3000 representatives in the House?

You can't organize federal election by county. The population is not distributed even close to even in them. For example, Democrats in dense urban areas, for example, would simply create 100 new counties to increase their total number of representatives. Republicans in rural areas could break up their big counties with low populations into small counties with even lower population in order to increase their vote totals.

What you propose doesn't even make sense.

17 posted on 11/20/2012 8:34:04 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Hear Hear! Couldn’t agree with you more.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 8:43:42 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Pretty much concur with everythig you said.

I would add one item, a whole lot of dem voters are white.

I think the actual division is not brown/white, it is govt workers vs private sector.

The govt workers fail to realize where their bucks actually originate, hence the crash (which is occuring as we speak) will be a surprise to many who feed from the trough.

19 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:58 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
While the voters in this state (including yours truly) rightly passed Prop 187 (initiative denying state services to illegal aliens) in turned the overwhelming majority of hispanics solidly against the GOP.

Yup, this was the turning point. The left used that to turn Hispanics against the GOP. California is almost a foreign country now. It's completely lost. Within 5 years the US Federal Government will end up bailing CA out. People say it won't happen, but it will.

Demographics are why in not too many years conservatives won't even be able to count on Texas or Arizona.

People often say they "trust the American people to do the right thing" when it comes to elections. I say, the American people aren't immune from voting idiotically for generations at a time just like people do in other countries. Our Hispanic immigrants come from a place that voted for the same Socialist party (PRI) for 70 years straight - this despite the fact that Mexico was a crap hole the entire time. What makes people think they wouldn't do the same thing here? And it isn't as if this is all the Hispanics fault. FDR was, economically, a complete failure - yet the American people elected him 4 times.

We've crossed the tipping point and are now a European social welfare state. Once a people go down this road there is almost no possibility of reversing the decline. It just has to spiral down till the house of cards collapses.

20 posted on 11/20/2012 8:46:13 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: skeeter

Senator Lieu from Torrance proposed a proposition for 2014 to triple vehicle registration fees. While I agree with the Republicans who blasted the idea, I think they should have considered just being silent and let him do it. Raising vehicle registration fees brought down Governor Davis, and in 2014 it would have been a juicy issue to attack Democrats and Governor Brown.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:52 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: going hot

Yes there are a number of white voters here in CA who vote Democrat-—primarily gays, feminists, Jewish voters, union members. Without those subgroups, 90% instead of 60% of white voters would be voting GOP.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 8:53:27 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Republicans” in Tallahassee gerrymandered Allen West out of congress.

No, they did not. This time around an "Independent Commission" is who drew the lines in Florida. He should have been able to win in that district he ran in...he overplayed the past intoxication issue with his opponent which may have backfired by the amount he focused on it.

23 posted on 11/20/2012 8:56:11 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Longbow1969

http://caef.us/election-fraud-through-gerrymandering/

Election fraud through gerrymandering

http://realneo.us/content/gerrymandered-election-districts-voters-dont-choose-their-politicians-politicians-choose-the

“In gerrymandered election districts, the voters don’t choose their politicians - the politicians choose their voters!”


24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:58:42 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: old school

Florida Repubs gerrymandered Allen West right out of Congress. Thanks alot, GOP!!


25 posted on 11/20/2012 8:59:15 AM PST by jch10 (7th generation Floridian)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The problem becomes how to convince them of the errors of their ways by means other than simply telling them they are wrong?


26 posted on 11/20/2012 9:01:19 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Republican Wildcat

It was the job of the Legislature to re-district. They should have looked after their own....the Dems always did.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 9:02:44 AM PST by jch10 (7th generation Floridian)
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To: Republican Wildcat

There are way more registered dems in St. Lucie County than republicans. Gerrymandering didn’t help West.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 9:03:45 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: going hot

Real diificult for me to convince my fellow Californians how wrong they are:

Even though my wife is hispanic, I’m accused of being a racist because I am opposed to illegal immigration.

Even though I love to surf, I understand the necessity for oil exploration and drilling off of our coast.

Even though I have a child in public school and try to teach her about traditional values and history, I am up against the neo-Stalinist teachers unions and Marxist college professors.

And then you have to deal with the depravity of our pop culture, the capital of which is here in Southern CA.

The deck is really stacked against us!!! But I keep soldiering on. CA is not the only state screwed up around here. Obama still would have won the election without our electoral votes.


29 posted on 11/20/2012 9:19:22 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Longbow1969

The effect of Prop 187 is exaggerated I think. Hispanics were already voting against the GOP in California. And the popularity of 187 at the time propelled Governor Wilson to a comeback win in his reelection campaign. That was the last signficant statewide race won by a Republican (Schwarzenegger doesn’t count).

I won’t deny that it exacerbated the GOP’s latino problem. The never-ending demagoguery of the measure no doubt made the existing pro-Democrat sentiments of Hispanics even stronger, and perhaps led to faster registration of many latinos than otherwise would have happened.

But that was all going to happen eventually. Mass immigration (legal and illegal) of mostly Mexicans was always going to favor the Democrats. All 187 might have done was speed up the GOP’s inevitable death in California.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 10:15:36 AM PST by Aetius
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To: Republican Wildcat
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31 posted on 11/20/2012 10:17:34 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (')
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To: Aetius

We disagree ONLY at the margins. True, the hispanic vote in CA has ALWAYS been a Democrat voting bloc. Difference is this: After 187 passed, a sleeping giant awoke in the state and hispanic registered to vote in MASSIVE numbers. Also in CA, prior to 187, GOP candidates especially among popular Republicans like Ronald Reagan who actively courted their vote and campaigned in their neighborhoods, could win something like 30-35% in some cases upwards of 40% of the hispanic vote. Now days GOP statewide candidates normally win about 25% of the hispanic vote in CA.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 10:23:06 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Aetius

That seems like a good analysis. I agree that the Hispanics pouring in from Mexico were always going to favor Democrats. They voted for the socialist party back home, no reason to expect they won’t do it here. A quarter or more of them are on public assistance, which means probably most Hispanic voters have a close friend or family dependent on government freebies. The arguments that we can win them back with immigration reform don’t fly with me either. We are never going to be able to out Santa Claus the Democrat party - on immigration or anything else. The GOP is going to need to try to reach people by offering big solutions. We need to be FOR something, not just against Democratic socialism.


33 posted on 11/20/2012 10:24:51 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: old school

Adding to my list of proposed Constitutional Amendments a ban on gerrymandering, replaced by a completely random mapping of CD’s to create the most geometrically uniform districts commensurate with evenly divided population.


34 posted on 11/20/2012 10:36:48 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: Longbow1969
There are approximately 3000+ organized counties or county equivalents in the US. Do you think we should have 3000 representatives in the House?

Yeah. If anything, we're under-represented. As for representation by counties, that's a straw dog. We do need less opportunity for gerrymandering. Smaller districts are needful. But still proportionate. Non-citizens should not count to pad the rolls for districting.

35 posted on 11/20/2012 10:39:11 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: ilovesarah2012
You can blame the Reynolds vs. Sims decision of 1964, a ruling that made it illegal for legislative districts to be constructed based on regions like counties instead of population, misapplying the “equal protection clause" (claiming the "one person, one vote" principle).

Our judicial oligarchs have spoken, and now we see the consequences of that decision.

36 posted on 11/20/2012 10:42:33 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

And America has been going downhill since the 60s.


37 posted on 11/20/2012 10:46:18 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: jch10; ilovesarah2012

No it was not. That was done by an independent commission - as I just said - the legislature did not gerrymander.

I know we are very frustrated with how this election went on many levels, but throwing facts to the wind isn’t going to help things.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 11:58:06 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: old school

I don’t kinow much about this McCarthy of CA, but I suspect old Joe from WI was better.


39 posted on 11/20/2012 12:48:53 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

So Mack in FL and Mack in CA go down; don’t guess they will need to file for unemployment. Can a congressman qualify for unemployment comp. if he is defeated?


40 posted on 11/20/2012 12:54:36 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Republican Wildcat

I don’t believe in independent commissions.


41 posted on 11/20/2012 1:14:52 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Republican Wildcat

I dunno, 900 votes cast in a ward with 7 registered voters might have had something to do with it, too. If it’s true, that is.


42 posted on 11/20/2012 2:34:06 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

The legislature is responsible for re-districting. The legislature CHOSE to hire someone else to do their job. They accepted the commission’s gerrymander of a freshman Republican’s district without question.

You can bet that Democrats don’t make that mistake.


43 posted on 11/21/2012 3:33:26 PM PST by jch10 (7th generation Floridian)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Good idea — don’t blame the A) failure to vote for Pubbies B) widespread vote fraud and C) illegal aliens and other Latinos voting Demwit, not to mention a couple of generations’ worth of shift in California toward the Demwits.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 10:46:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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