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Why Conservatives Should Cheer Up
Townhall.com ^ | November 20, 2012 | Bill Murchison

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:51:45 AM PST by Kaslin

"Barack Obama won because he recognized a new America." Or maybe an America more fluid, more insubstantial than post-election wisdom is ready to grant. You can't always tell about "new" -- a truth the human race rarely acknowledges.

We'll see whether James Carville's and Stan Greenberg's words from a Democracy Corps survey stand up better than the consensus of November 1965, following the Lyndon Johnson-led slaughter of almost every Republican downwind from Barry Goldwater. Johnson, father of the Great Society, was all but run out of Washington on a rail after mucking up the Vietnam War.

Meanwhile, as everyone these days seems to know, the unstoppable alliance of unmarried women, young people, Hispanics and Blacks is set to remake America: the minute Americans agree on what a remade America ought to look like.

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip" is the indicated adage for now, notwithstanding that polls such as Carville's and Greenberg's seem to confirm the birth of a new alliance committed to wealth redistribution and big government.

The so-called "Rising American Electorate" appears to hanker for, among other things, larger investments in education, "protection" of Social Security and Medicare and fairness for women. Thomas B. Edsall, in the New York Times, calls attention to a Pew Research Center poll showing rising support for socialism as the remedy for capitalism.

Yes, yes, fine. Let's see how it all works out. To put it another way: Let's see what works out in practice and not just post-campaign rhetoric. The instant temptation, from the conservative side, is to go all weepy at such news. I would counsel resistance to such temptation: this, for a couple of reasons.

--The alliance of "Rising American Electorate" members is not necessarily based on congruence of interests. The young may be the shakiest element of the alliance for economic reasons. When you're earning $20,000 a year -- or living at home -- it may seem well to call for expropriation of the bloated plutocrats. The genius of America, nonetheless, has always been the elevation of the low-income earner to the higher tax brackets. To redistribute widely would be to overthrow the American premise of entitlement to the fruits of one's work and enterprise. Are we there yet? I see no persuasive evidence.

--Then what's all these nonsense about hiring another 100,000 teachers? Meaning, another 100,000 members of the teachers unions, whose troops have carried American public schools to such celestial heights? "Protect" Social Security and Medicare? Without affecting economies as to cost and eligibility? That should do a lot of good. And without -- gulp! -- burdening taxpayers with slimmer means than the two left-wing Georges -- Soros and Clooney?

Shall we try socialism? What a great idea -- Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela as our models and pole stars! Ought to be an effective formula for weight loss.

A continuing problem with left-wingery -- a problem not grasped by some of the analysts -- is that it doesn't work. Socialists, as Maggie Thatcher astutely observed, always run out of other people's money. They can't replace it of course with their own. Socialism isn't about creating wealth; it's about grabbing someone else's.

Republicans need to cheer up. It always hurts to lose a vital election: for instance, the one immediately past. And yet to victors sometimes belongs something more depressing than spoils; namely, the obligation to make good on lame, idiotic promises. Might we hold the national obituaries pending proof that the 2012 outcome was the will of the gods?

In the short run, what about a little indignant and forceful resistance, according to the American tradition, as exemplified 70 years ago by "Uncle Joe" Stilwell while the Allies reeled from a near knock-out by the Japanese? "I claim we got a hell of a beating," Joe told the press. "We got run out of Burma and it is humiliating as hell. I think we ought to find out what caused it, go back and retake it." And you know what? We did just that.


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1 posted on 11/20/2012 7:51:50 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“A continuing problem with left-wingery — a problem not grasped by some of the analysts — is that it doesn’t work. Socialists, as Maggie Thatcher astutely observed, always run out of other people’s money. They can’t replace it of course with their own. Socialism isn’t about creating wealth; it’s about grabbing someone else’s.”

That’s what I will take from this election.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 7:59:22 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Kaslin

Cut off their funding, Every one of us has ideas as to how to accomplish this, from selling stocks, to reducing income, to throwing out adult children who vote for Communism and want to live at home for free.

There are many things we can do to remove ourselves from the reach of this greedy government. It’s simply a challenge to our creativity.


3 posted on 11/20/2012 8:00:30 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Kaslin

The “new” that we didn’t see coming is:

- Americans are stupid beyond most of our imagination.
- The media is openly corrupt. They don’t even pretend to be unbiased.

Those two things will allow an attempt at socialism, and an acceptance of failure.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 8:03:59 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: Kaslin

One thing is new about this day as it compares to the past.

We have now entered the era of the completely ignorant voter. More dangerous than a nuclear device.


5 posted on 11/20/2012 8:06:56 AM PST by lurk
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To: Senator Goldwater
Socialists, as Maggie Thatcher astutely observed, always run out of other people’s money.

This may have been true in the past (even I used to say it) but I doubt it applies today. Other peoples money is now just gravy.

6 posted on 11/20/2012 8:07:15 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: Kaslin
The so-called "Rising American Electorate" appears to hanker for, among other things, larger investments in education, "protection" of Social Security and Medicare and fairness for women.

It appears to 'hanker' from redistributed taxpayer spoils.

Dammit, republicans had better start getting this one down fast.

Enough bullsh*t about 'fairness' and 'diversity'. Its about the dollars. Democrats win because they promise the most stuff. The end.

7 posted on 11/20/2012 8:09:05 AM PST by skeeter
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To: brownsfan

I never watch Leno or Letterman, but I am familiar with their “Man on the Street” interviews showcasing American ignorance, even stupidity. As Jimmy Carter said of the “energy crisis” the stupidity “is real.”


8 posted on 11/20/2012 8:17:00 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Senator Goldwater

But in a nation as rich as the USA, made so by healthy capitalism, it will take generations for the takers to run out of “other people’s money.” At least to the point of collapse and outright tyranny. Europe has held on two generations since the decline began.

Sorry, not buying the thesis of the article. A historical gem is being destroyed, and despotism is on its way.


9 posted on 11/20/2012 8:18:45 AM PST by Chaguito
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To: Kaslin

as a parent, sometimes you have to let your child experience the fallout from their mistakes in order to let the lesson be learned..

so, my solution is to take the bus headed over the financial cliff, put a brick on the accelerator and let it go over at full speed..

The ones feeling the worst of it will be, lower income workers, those under 40, and single women and minorities..

tax rates for lower income workers will double, and in some cases triple, while a good portion of these workers that paid no tax under bushie, will now be on the hook to the feds..

now with everyone paying, i think the word fair can be applied..

be careful what you ask for, ‘cuz you might just get it..

let them eat cake


10 posted on 11/20/2012 8:19:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: brownsfan
The media is openly corrupt. They don’t even pretend to be unbiased.

I see this as the leftists/socialists/progressives FINALLY doubling-down and saying, "Okay, I think it's safe to come out of the closet and to proclaim that we support communism." They openly endorsed Obama because they knew the fix was in and they were willing to abet any level of fraud and tow the line for the narrative the White Hut was selling. They KNEW the elections would fall for Obama, I truly believe that.

And as such, they are now openly supporting socialism and will continue to use the American right as a pincushion for all the wrongs that are about to start coming down the line. Look at what's happening in response to all the layoffs: it's Romney's fault! It's Bush's fault! It's the right-winger's fault! HOW? How could they say this with a straight face and not expect the country to shoot back and ask, "Care to explain your justification on this?" It's sick and sad and they simply CAN'T!

As socialism becomes embedded, anything that doesn't work as they promised will be blamed on Republicans or conservatism.

Crime's not going down? Oh, well that's because people are allowed to have guns. We need to take away guns, then there will be no crime!

Healthcare is sub-par, people are dying, babies aren't surviving their first 12 hours! Oh, well that's because people still have to deal with insurance companies. Make the government the single payer for all healthcare, and everything will get better!

There are no jobs! All of the private companies shut down! Jobs? Why do you need them? We give you everything you need for a comfortable life, right? Jobs are evil, corporate mechanisms of greed and filth and they pollute the environment and lead to global warming! You don't need a job. Here, have some more government cheese.

It's freezing here in the northeast! We need oil! No, you don't need oil. C'mon now. Just use your EBT and buy some more wool blankets from the local FEMA shack. When the clouds break, your solar panel will provide you with enough power to slightly warm a cup of water for your instant coffee. The winds will keep those windmills turning and you'll have power when we can afford to give it to you. You just have to blame all of this on "big carbon" and "big oil." This is all from global climate change!

*spit*

11 posted on 11/20/2012 8:19:30 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: lurk

The completely ignorant voter is not new.

The “completely ignorant voter” was the majority at our founding. That was a time of great upheaval and in a day when the common man toiled dawn to dusk for survival.

Our system was devised to minimize the power of the individual vote and put power in the more informed representative, whether it be to Congress or to the Electoral College.

Voting was not so widespread then. Certain groups did not have right of sufferage.

Stone me for saying so, but the poll tax was a good idea. Those who have no financial stake in the economy have nothing to lose and are dangerous voters.

Universal sufferage is NOT a good idea.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 8:20:24 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: joe fonebone

I agree, both with your post and with your tagline.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 8:22:17 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Senator Goldwater
Socialism isn’t about creating wealth; it’s about grabbing someone else’s.

IT IS ABOUT CREATING DEPENDENCY! The Dependency Party!
14 posted on 11/20/2012 8:22:41 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Kaslin

From the article: “And yet to victors sometimes belongs something more depressing than spoils; namely, the obligation to make good on lame, idiotic promises - - - - “

Their idiotic promises are not what worries me the most, it’s that open definition of “change” that bothers me that will never worry the morons that voted for him, such as neutralizing away the 2nd amendment, there seems to be a push to start hating Christmas and Thanksgiving, taking our IRA’s (if that is a fact), trashing our armed forces, limiting our freedom of speech, expanding hatred towards Christianity, and whatever else is being worked on under the radar.


15 posted on 11/20/2012 8:22:57 AM PST by redfreedom (The spineless RINO's have made themselves irrelevent and lost the country for us.)
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To: brownsfan

agree completely.

We on the conservative did not realize how far 1/2 of this country had fallen. We were too busy living our lives, raising good children and working the soil. We were just busy being good honest Americans. Many of us Americans a busy folks. But only a little less than half of us, it seems.

And yet, I was watching “Idiocracy” (the movie) the other night and it was amazing just how close of a description it made in regards to our populace.

We should have taken a good hard luck at television and seen the change. It has happened incrementally over 30 years. The culture is hooked on celebrity with no regards to the issues, except for headlines which are spoon fed by the MSM. The culture pays no attention to the grand issues, the main point. These folks in this culture are too busy buying jeans and tattoos. They are uninterested in the large issues.

Any book stores open ? Anyone buying classical music? What types of pop music are in fashion? What are the hottest TV shows?( Honey boo boo... Housewives and sluts ) What are the hottest movies? Do you know anyone that reads books, novels short stories or god forbid, political commentary? Anyone tending a garden? Anyone working up a sweat ?

I will still fight for language, borders and culture ( in the words of Michael Savage) I will still vote for a flat tax and an end to entitlements and smaller government. I will still vote for a powerful deterrent in regards to nuclear arms. I will still vote for a strong foreign policy.

But I have very little hope. I’ll fight, but at this point I need to move forward with realistic expectations.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 8:24:32 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Jedidah
Stone me for saying so, but the poll tax was a good idea. Those who have no financial stake in the economy have nothing to lose and are dangerous voters.

Universal sufferage is NOT a good idea.

I'm certainly not going to stone you. You're right on both counts. As are the rest of your observations.

The irony, however, is that the elite is now well to the Left of the "common man" (and no, I am not a populist). A country run by state legislatures might be considerably to the Left of the country we have now.

17 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: rarestia
*spit*

Unfortunately, I totally agree with your assessment. It's coming, and all we can do is watch it happen. The "war" was lost in the public schools, years ago.
18 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: rarestia
And as such, they are now openly supporting socialism and will continue to use the American right as a pincushion for all the wrongs that are about to start coming down the line.

Of course they will because even in a Socialist/Communist country, those that tow the Party line make off quite well.
19 posted on 11/20/2012 8:28:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: joe fonebone

Cheer Up!

It’s all gonna come crashing down!


20 posted on 11/20/2012 8:29:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

I am cheered up! Iam going to run for Congress.
Here is my 5 point of my agenda:

1. An Abortion Tax credit ATC- pays $500 for every abortion
a (refundable credit) You must list the name of the unborn child on the tax form.

2.A tax deduction for the costs of rubbers, condoms, morning after pills..Just save your receipts and add them up and deduct them!

3. We need to start studying the temperature changes at the center of the earth. The earth’s core is most likely cooling so we need to get started NOW with programs and policy to address it.

4. Hispanic Family Tax credit- HFTC- if you take in a Hispanic family (Provide half the upkeep for)that has any illegal extended family member then we pay $2,500 to every member of that extended family.

5. Justin Beiber Crotch grabbing credit- JBCGTC- If the young voters will simply count the number of times Justin Beiber grabs his crotch during his appearances and then write that on their tax form, we’ll give them a $500 refundable credit.

I believe all of these will get me elected because they will all help with the targeted groups of voters that we need to reach.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 8:30:44 AM PST by DOGHEAD
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To: Kaslin

I cheer up everytime that I think of how dedicated that I am to remaining free.

LLS


22 posted on 11/20/2012 8:31:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Get yourself set up such that when all the support systems come to a horrible screeching halt, you still can live without going to the gov’t with your hand out.

If there are enough of us, and we hole up for a while, the rest will work itself out.


23 posted on 11/20/2012 8:31:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Forgot your /sarcasm tag there, bud... heh

Democrats and leftists eat their own.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:31:48 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DOGHEAD

Points one and two will be a negative for you,

because they require a modicum of effort on the part of the “gimmes”.


25 posted on 11/20/2012 8:34:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Theodore R.
Me either, but someone here posted something the other day that Leno said that bears repeating: `We're marching towards a fiscal cliff and the dunces of America just elected a man who says, `Forward!' funny gifs Popcorn for everybody, make yourselves comfortable, show starts soon. At this point I'm rooting for the hole ...
26 posted on 11/20/2012 8:34:45 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

I thought he was going to go in a different direction: that things will get so bad in the next two years that we will sweep the senate and the house in 2014, and win the oval office back in 2016. That’s my prediction...


27 posted on 11/20/2012 8:36:21 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: MrB

I am actually very cheerful!!!!

now, instead of listening to those that say WE are robbing our children and grandchildren of their future, I can tell them they are trying to rob us of what we spent a lifetime earning and paying in to....

Now, all I have to worry about is protecting what is mine, and let the rest of the chips fall where they may...

sense of purpose is a very relaxing thing..

let them eat cake


28 posted on 11/20/2012 8:38:29 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: rarestia
Forgot your /sarcasm tag there, bud

No sarcasm. The Party will need someone to report the "news".
29 posted on 11/20/2012 8:39:50 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Kaslin

Well in 2-3 years when we are in the middle of economic collapse and CW11 the EBT cards won’t be working and this whole idea of spreading the wealth around may seem less desireable.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 8:42:56 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: redfreedom

“there seems to be a push to start hating Christmas”

I, for one, certainly do not hate Christmas per se, but I do hate what it has become.


31 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:03 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: redfreedom

“there seems to be a push to start hating Christmas”

I, for one, certainly do not hate Christmas per se, but I do hate what it has become.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:22 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I have yet to have a liberal take me up on this challenge -

“if you want to spread my wealth around, why don’t you walk over here and take it out of my wallet.”


33 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:48 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not in Texas. ;-)


34 posted on 11/20/2012 8:46:05 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Kaslin
Meanwhile, as everyone these days seems to know, the unstoppable alliance of unmarried women, young people, Hispanics and Blacks is set to remake America: the minute Americans agree on what a remade America ought to look like.

I'm not convinced this unstoppable "Axis of Moochers" is really some grand movement that will remake America or will instead dissolve into it's individual parts as soon as Obama's presidency ends. Remember they didn't come out for the democrats in 2010 when Obama wasn't on the ballot. It will be interesting to see what happens in 2014 and 2016. Will the blacks and Hispanics really come out and support a lily white Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden or Andrew Cuomo like they supported Obama? Will the youth support someone who isn't perceived as being as "cool" as Obama? Will the women come out if it's another man at the top of the ticket?

35 posted on 11/20/2012 8:48:28 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

The real moochers are the public employee unions. If we fail to rein in the public employee unions, we will have a one party system, with the GOP in a permanent minority status.


36 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:07 AM PST by Eva
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To: Theodore R.
We've all seen the "Man on the Street" interviews by Leno and others.

It seems to me now that they do this with GREAT PRIDE. Proud that the voters are this stupid, proud to display to all of us just what defeats us every election.

As if to say, "What you going to do about it?", with a big smug HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

37 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:59 AM PST by annieokie
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To: brownsfan
Americans are stupid beyond most of our imagination.

I would go with foolish instead of stupid. Many book-smart people seem to be lacking in common sense. (Not all, so please don't flame me if you're well educated. Being on FR means you absolutely have more common sense than most!)

38 posted on 11/20/2012 9:05:55 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: ILS21R
Our own socialist government has already run out of other people's money. It's broke, and has been. It can't even borrow more from other countries. It now runs on Fed "monopoly money," which will suffice only until its value inevitably dwindles toward zero.
39 posted on 11/20/2012 9:07:42 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: brownsfan

The media is openly corrupt. They don’t even pretend to be unbiased.Those two things will allow an attempt at socialism, and an acceptance of failure.

I blame the MSM for the election because they could have stopped the marxist/socialist machine but didn’t. If there is anything in the future we can do to bring down the MSM and make them accountable should be done. I just don’t know how to do it. They seem to be above the law and to big to fail.


40 posted on 11/20/2012 9:11:40 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Pharmboy
that things will get so bad in the next two years that we will sweep the senate and the house in 2014, and win the oval office back in 2016.

And which "we" will that be? The TEA Party "we" or the Republican Party "we"?
41 posted on 11/20/2012 9:17:00 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Kaslin

The only thing that cheers me up at all is the fact that obammy’s re-election means he can still be impeached. (however unlikely that might be)


42 posted on 11/20/2012 9:32:30 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Hmmm...good question. I look for a rerun of 2010, with the Tea Party arm of the GOP making huge inroads. At least that’s what I hope for...otherwise, what difference does it make?


43 posted on 11/20/2012 9:36:00 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Kaslin
It will lead to a horrendous recession.

And they will blame it on 50 years of Republican policies of tax cuts and deregulation.

So figuring out how to counter that lie is the key.

44 posted on 11/20/2012 9:38:02 AM PST by DManA ( you)
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To: Kaslin
Historic examples of socialism on a grand scale show it to be not a system evolved beyond capitalism but a modern return to feudalism. Fortunately, young people get older, unmarried women get married and more Blacks and Latinos find upward mobility. The only permanence is change. The political pendulum eventually swings back our way.
45 posted on 11/20/2012 9:48:51 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin

DEFUND. Prepare. Persevere. It’s fun. It’s easy. Live to vote/fight another day. Enjoy the victories in the battles you decide to fight whenever you choose to fight them. Educate, enlighten anyone receptive.

Excelsior!

Optimism BUMP!


46 posted on 11/20/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Senator Goldwater
“A continuing problem with left-wingery — a problem not grasped by some of the analysts — is that it doesn’t work... Socialism isn’t about creating wealth; it’s about grabbing someone else’s.”

Your last sentence is the money statement. And the problem is, for the new majority, grabbing someone else's wealth is the only part that counts. Whether socialism works for the country is immaterial.

47 posted on 11/20/2012 9:58:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: brownsfan
Those two things will allow an attempt at socialism, and an acceptance of failure.

...And the gross insanity of trying it again... and again... and again, regardless of proven failure.

48 posted on 11/20/2012 10:01:11 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Kaslin

The first big test will be California. 400,000 people are supposed to be coming off unemployment on January 1, 2013. There’s already talk about keeping their unemployment going. Socialism if they keep it going. Fun to watch, if they don’t.
If you have a business in California, and you supply the state, start raising your bids. Tell your competitors you’re raising your bids. What’s good for the goose is good for Jerry Brown.


49 posted on 11/20/2012 10:02:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Pharmboy
I thought he was going to go in a different direction: that things will get so bad in the next two years that we will sweep the senate and the house in 2014, and win the oval office back in 2016. That’s my prediction...

The population as a whole is too self-interested to let that happen. The typically American demand for everything NOW has linked with the ever-growing entitlement mentality. "Americans" want government freebies and they want them now. They're only going to vote for those candidates who will ladle those freebies out to them.

50 posted on 11/20/2012 10:07:00 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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