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Sources: DNI cut "al Qaeda" reference from Benghazi talking points, and CIA, FBI signed off
CBS News ^ | November 20, 2012

Posted on 11/20/2012 8:21:35 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - CBS News has learned that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) cut specific references to "al Qaeda" and "terrorism" from the unclassified talking points given to Ambassador Susan Rice on the Benghazi consulate attack - with the agreement of the CIA and FBI. The White House or State Department did not make those changes.

There has been considerable discussion about who made the changes to the talking points that Rice stuck to in her television appearances on Sept. 16 (video), five days after the attack that killed American Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, and three other U.S. nationals.

Republicans have accused her of making misleading statements by referring to the assault as a "spontaneous" demonstration by extremists. Some have suggested she used the terminology she did for political reasons.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS:
James Clapper lied to Congress...
1 posted on 11/20/2012 8:21:42 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike

What the heck is the DNI? Never heard of it? Is that another new agency Obama created?


2 posted on 11/20/2012 8:23:56 AM PST by madison10
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To: Hotlanta Mike

BS BS BS everything that comes out of the MSM is given to them by the WH and the WH is nothing but BS BS BS BS and more BS.

I can’t stand it any more.


3 posted on 11/20/2012 8:25:48 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: Hotlanta Mike

She still lied. She could have said, “We don’t know”. Instead she lied and blamed a film.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 8:25:49 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Hotlanta Mike

terrorism , did Rice even say, Man Made Disaster


5 posted on 11/20/2012 8:26:30 AM PST by molson209
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To: Hotlanta Mike
The TRUTH is: Alqueda is alive and well !!! AND WE REFUSED ADDITIONAL SECURITY.

And THAT'S why they were changed !!!

6 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:07 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: aimhigh

I suspect this is being trotted out as Rice’s excuse for not knowing what she was talking about.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

They were all so adamant that it was caused by the video. So they can make minor changes all they want....BUT THEY ADDED STUFF to COVERUP the TRUTH....and stuck with the story until after the election.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 8:30:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Hotlanta Mike
The White House or State Department did not make those changes.

Everyone who believes that, please stand on your head.

9 posted on 11/20/2012 8:30:12 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

so Rice lives in a box , no TV, Radio ,Newspapers or Internet


10 posted on 11/20/2012 8:30:12 AM PST by molson209
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To: Hotlanta Mike
This is disgusting... We are living in a Hollywood NIGHMARE!! I couldn't give a RAT’s ace what the American U.N. puppet said from whatever “edited” teacher's notes.

THE PRESIDENT who watched it go down or at least knew within hours DID KNOW this was a terrorist attack and HE went off for TWO WEEKS about a video!

I am angry! Our country sucks!

11 posted on 11/20/2012 8:31:42 AM PST by mporter345
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To: SusaninOhio

So James Clapper is going to take the fall...

Leaders from the State Department, FBI, CIA, including former CIA Director David Petraeus, testified on Thursday and Friday. Regarding the allegations that the original CIA talking points had been changed so that terrorist involvement was not included, Sen. Chambliss said, “Everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes; and nobody knew. The only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the White House.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/18/sen-lieberman-it-was-irresponsible-to-have-state-department-personnel-in-libya/


12 posted on 11/20/2012 8:32:10 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Yeah; right.

Translation: designated Fall Guy, goes under the bus for The Messiah, who wouldn't call ANYONE a Terrorist, unless they are NOT Muslim, AND/OR, they are White.

13 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:01 AM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: SusaninOhio

My BS meter just exploded.

Do they really expect us to believe this BS. Well— probably the Republicans in the Congress might, or even if they don’t they will accept it so they don’t have to do anything about it.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:31 AM PST by Venturer
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To: mporter345

Where’s Hillary?...

Sen. Chambliss told Chris Wallace, “We’ve got to get some State Department officials in to really explain why you send an ambassador basically unguarded with a few Libyan guards.”

Sen. Lieberman added, “In my opinion it was irresponsible to have our State Department personnel there with only three security guards.” He went on to say that, “Either we should’ve given them the protection they deserved, or we should’ve closed that mission in Benghazi as the British government had done a short while before.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/18/sen-lieberman-it-was-irresponsible-to-have-state-department-personnel-in-libya/


15 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:44 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Such sloppy work. The totalitarians of the 1930s were much better at disinformation, the Big Lie and inspirational statism. Moderns are just crude and clumsy and ineffectual. I blame drugs and television.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:57 AM PST by Psalm 144 (For Chicken Little the sky is always falling.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

All branches of government are now obama operatives..that means the mafia has consolidated..


17 posted on 11/20/2012 8:35:24 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I don’t believe anything this administration tells me.
They are all sworn to protect the chief. Truth doesn’t matter.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 8:35:42 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: madison10

Formed in 2005. Before that, the head of CIA was considered that person, I believe.


19 posted on 11/20/2012 8:36:05 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Hotlanta Mike
James Clapper lied to Congress...

Nothing happens in Barry's WH unless Valerie Jarrett says it's going to happen. Jarrett said to cut the reference to AQ. She then told Clapper that he was going to take the fall for it. VJ never takes the fall for anything.

20 posted on 11/20/2012 8:36:40 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I don’t get the obsession with Rice. They sent Rice because she was willing to catch the spear, and they knew they could kick up the usual dust of sexism, racism. So when does Clapper resign? As usual, no roads lead to Obama. Isn’t it about time Republicans wrapped this up? They aren’t going to impeach Obama anyway. Maybe it’s worth the exercise to illustrate to the rest of us that still aren’t blind of what we already suspect, Obama is a traitor.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 8:37:30 AM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: mojito

Nothing happens in Barry’s WH unless Valerie Jarrett says it’s going to happen. Jarrett said to cut the reference to AQ. She then told Clapper that he was going to take the fall for it. VJ never takes the fall for anything.


Absolutely. Last Thursday Clapper testified in front of Congress that he didn’t know who redacted the CIA talking points. Then all fingers point towards the White House. And voila...

Now the media claim that James Clapper redacted the CIA talking points.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 8:40:38 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: molson209

so Rice lives in a box , no TV, Radio ,Newspapers or Internet


no curiosity, no skepticism, no ferreting out of the truth. And she wants to represent the US on the international stage? Great, she’ll believe whatever Mahmoud and Hugo Chavez have to say...


23 posted on 11/20/2012 8:43:47 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: madison10

Cabinet-level position, Presidential appointee.

Google or Wiki it.

Betcha WH, probably through Jarrett, made him do it. Those creeps have leverage and blackmail bits on everyone.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:43:53 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Bottom line is Obama didn’t send help.


25 posted on 11/20/2012 8:44:21 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Portcall24; madison10

Prior to the Office of the DNI (Director of National Intelligence), the Director of the CIA was dual hatted with the title DCI - Director of Central Intelligence. In the restructuring of the intel community and based in part of the findings of the 9/11 commission, it was felt that coordination and information flow between agencies would be better served with a new bureaucracy, hence the creation of the DNI.


26 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:37 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
According to wiki it is “the man” who takes the info to the President! This person sees it all, CIA, FBI, NSA, pdq etc., looks like it's a outgrowth of an organization put in place by one of our favorite old commies, McNamara.

The United States Intelligence Community (IC) is a cooperative federation of 16 separate United States government agencies that work separately and together to conduct intelligence activities considered necessary for the conduct of foreign relations and national security of the United States. Member organizations of the IC include intelligence agencies, military intelligence, and civilian intelligence and analysis offices within federal executive departments. The IC is led by the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), who reports to the President of the United States.

27 posted on 11/20/2012 8:47:00 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: JohnnyP

Bottom line is Obama didn’t send help.


...Sen. Chambliss told Chris Wallace, “We’ve got to get some State Department officials in to really explain why you send an ambassador basically unguarded with a few Libyan guards.”...

And this after the British Ambassador was attacked as well as the Red Cross, both deciding to exit Benghazi. And remember that the State Dept withdrew a 16 member security detail in August from Libya as well.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 8:47:02 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Well, I knew it wasn’t the president!!!/s


29 posted on 11/20/2012 8:49:59 AM PST by jch10 (7th generation Floridian)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The amazing thing to me is that the media still considers it a GOOD THING that the White House had no clue what the government was doing.

It’s as if the media has forgotten that the executive branch is run by the White House, and everything that is done by a cabinet department is the responsibility of the White House.

So, if you were going to believe what is clearly lies, you should at least ask how every agency of our government was allowed to run rogue operations without the authority, consent, or knowledge of the President.

Apparently, the media thinks we could get rid of the president altogether, and everything would still work just fine.

I guess this is the end result of using affirmative action to pick our President. There’s somebody doing the real job, and everybody appears to know it, and to expect it.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:35 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Venturer

They didn’t get rid of Holder yet, did they?


31 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:58 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: JohnnyP

Bottom line is Obama didn’t send help.

Where the F is See B. S. legal reporter Jan Crawford saying “Yeah, THAT’s the question.”


32 posted on 11/20/2012 8:55:16 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Ok, so, why wasn’t help sent to the 30 Americans at the “consolate”?????


33 posted on 11/20/2012 8:56:01 AM PST by jch10 (7th generation Floridian)
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To: aimhigh
She still lied

Yes she did lie. From the story:

"The intelligence community assessed from the very beginning that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack." DNI spokesman Shawn Turner tells CBS News. That information was shared at a classified level -- which Rice, as a member of President Obama's cabinet, would have been privy to.

34 posted on 11/20/2012 8:58:17 AM PST by what's up
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To: jch10

Who said they were Americans?


35 posted on 11/20/2012 8:59:28 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Now the media claim that James Clapper redacted the CIA talking points.

Poor James just forgot what happened, until Valerie reminded him. As for the media, where Barry's WH is concerned they can't remember what happened the day before yesterday.

36 posted on 11/20/2012 9:02:03 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: throwback

Why doesn’t Obama just put black muslim lesbians in charge of every department in his government? Then he can truly do anything he wants and no one can say anything about it, because they would obviously just be racist, sexist, islamophobic, homophobic bigots.


37 posted on 11/20/2012 9:09:22 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: mojito

Then during the second debate, Obama insists he referred to the attack as an act of terror. This after he had sent out Rice to say it was spontaneous and in response to the video??? This bastard lies incessantly. They lie and then lie about the lie.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 9:10:33 AM PST by bragginright
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To: madison10

Ever hear of Ollie North? He worked there.


39 posted on 11/20/2012 9:11:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: madison10
"What the heck is the DNI?"

That's a great question and I looked it up trying to figure out who Petraeus reported to as Director of the CIA.

Here's a good reference on all of the executive branch agencies, their mission, leaders, and reporting structure: Federal Executive Branch

Rube Goldberg would be proud.

The CIA is an independent agency that isn't a cabinet level position. It is "independent", but effectively reports to the DNI, which is a committee. Make sense yet? It didn't to me either because the CIA just dangles somewhere in the executive branch and doesn't report to either the president as a member of his cabinet, or another agency head.

If you check out the link, after your head explodes and you get it reassembled, you'll have conclusive proof that there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that our government can function in a rational, effective manner to uphold and protect out constitution.

40 posted on 11/20/2012 9:20:32 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

“What the heck is the DNI?”

That’s a great question and I looked it up trying to figure out who Petraeus reported to as Director of the CIA.


Petraeus reported to James Clapper...he handed him his resignation.


41 posted on 11/20/2012 9:22:07 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: JediJones
LOL! It does sound like the crew for the villain in a Bond film, but since politics and entertainment are blending together these days, it works. Unfortunately this would be real life, so unlike the Bond women, we'd see women like Napolitano in tight black leather. Yeah, I had to mention that before lunch.
42 posted on 11/20/2012 9:24:28 AM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; Condor51; PhilCollins

A simple change of names and descriptions of departments and this thing reads ^exactly like^ (let me repeat: EXACTLY LIKE] Chicago’s contract truck scandal.

Daley deflects accountability by saying, “I don’t know who hired [Torres]. I don’t control hiring in Streets and San.”.”


43 posted on 11/20/2012 9:27:08 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
From Wikipedia:

The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) is the United States government official – subject to the authority, direction, and control of the President – required by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 to:

Serve as principal advisor to the President, the National Security Council, and the Homeland Security Council about intelligence matters related to national security; Serve as head of the sixteen-member Intelligence Community; and Direct and oversee the National Intelligence Program."

So this office is directly under the President and is under the control of the President. So guess where the buck should stop.

That being said, I think that conservatives are being diverted from the real issue: Why was a rescue attempt not made during the course of 7 hours?

This article is an example of "talking points" about "talking points"!! :) You know it's getting deep when they float excuses about excuses.

44 posted on 11/20/2012 9:28:22 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The article actually says very little.
The most interesting part is at the end,””We want a wiring diagram,” Miller said. “We want an organized picture: ‘It was al Qaeda who ordered it, it was Ansar al Sharia who carried it out, it was this group that assisted. The problem is, the lines have blurred between those groups and their members. Ansar al Sharias are popping up in places like Benghazi, but also in Yemen, also in Tunisia, in all these countries — and they’re not al Qaeda, but they are reading from the al Qaeda narrative and they are being influenced by people who are formerly influential extremists in al Qaeda.”

“The actual truth is, the picture isn’t that clear, but we can piece it together, and that’s not satisfying to people who are used to saying, ‘You can attach this attack to that group,’” said Miller.”
They don’t want to say terrorists did it without specifying their actual affiliation? In other words they’ll bend over backwards to not say terrorists in some generic fashion because people will associate that word with Muslims.Better to specify and essentially carve the terrorist out from the general Muslim population.


45 posted on 11/20/2012 10:06:11 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Workplace violence...


46 posted on 11/20/2012 10:07:35 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Amazing. I do believe i interpreted his words correctly. He may not want them read that way but it is whats being said.


47 posted on 11/20/2012 10:09:56 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
It's not clear that Petraeus reported to Clapper even though he gave his resignation to him. There's nothing in any reference where the CIA reports to the president specifically or another agency director (Federal Executive Branch ). It's "independent", but the DNI consolidates inputs from the CIA, so there's a dotted line to Clapper.

At the DNI site, they don't list the CIA: Members of the Intelligence Community

From: Who oversees the CIA? Does it act on its own initiative?

External to the CIA, both the Congress and the executive branch oversee the CIA’s activities.In the Executive Branch, the National Security Council—including the president, the vice president, the secretary of state, and the secretary of defense—provides guidance and direction for national foreign intelligence and counterintelligence activities. In Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, as well as other committees, closely monitor the Agency’s reporting and programs. The CIA is not a policy-making organization; it advises the Director of National Intelligence on matters of foreign intelligence, and it conducts covert actions at the direction of the President.

48 posted on 11/20/2012 10:30:02 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense; Hotlanta Mike
Actually, the DNI does list the CIA as input into the DNI, but not as an agency that it runs...
49 posted on 11/20/2012 10:32:58 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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