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CBS: “Office of the DNI” cut al-Qaeda and terrorism references from Benghazi talking points
Hotair ^ | 11/20/2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/20/2012 9:05:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Meet James Clapper --- the latest fall guy for the White House on Benghazi. After last week's hearings in Congress showed that the talking points from the CIA had been changed to eliminate the mention of terrorism, Washington erupted into a whodunit. CBS reports today that the culprit has been found ... sort of:

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CBS News has learned that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) cut specific references to "al Qaeda" and "terrorism" from the unclassified talking points given to Ambassador Susan Rice on the Benghazi consulate attack --- with the agreement of the CIA and FBI. The White House or State Department did not make those changes. ---

However, an intelligence source tells CBS News correspondent Margaret Brennan the links to al Qaeda were deemed too “tenuous” to make public, because there was not strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence. CIA Director David Petraeus, however, told Congress he agreed to release the information — the reference to al Qaeda — in an early draft of the talking points, which were also distributed to select lawmakers.

“The intelligence community assessed from the very beginning that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.” DNI spokesman Shawn Turner tells CBS News. That information was shared at a classified level — which Rice, as a member of President Obama’s cabinet, would have been privy to. …

The head of the DNI is James Clapper, an Obama appointee. He ultimately did review the points, before they were given to Ambassador Rice and members of the House intelligence committee on Sept. 14. They were compiled the day before.

Note that this report doesn’t pin the blame on Clapper himself. It instead locates the change in Clapper’s “office,” allowing for a rather non-specific assignment that makes almost no sense at all. Are we to believe that a Clapper aide overruled David Petraeus’ assessment of Benghazi? If so, on what basis?

The report also states that the reason for the redaction was because the link to AQ was “too tenuous.” However, the presence of mortars and RPGs, as well as coordinated fire and attack strategies in play, made it clear “almost immediately” to Petraeus and others in the CIA that this was much more than a spontaneous demonstration run amok. That made the YouTube video explanation rather “tenuous” too, no? And yet that stayed in the talking points while terrorism got excised.

This explanation seems even more tenuous than the previous stories coming from the White House. If Petraeus knew “almost immediately” that this was an act of deliberate terrorism and included that in his talking points, then we need an explanation of who in the “office of the DNI” removed that explanation, and why — more than just the “too tenuous” excuse here that turned out to be totally wrong — and whether they got pressured to do so.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 20120911; 20120913; 20120914; alqaeda; benghazi; clapper; dni; jamesclapper; obamaadmin; obamalies; rice; terrorism

1 posted on 11/20/2012 9:05:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It is astonishing and terrifying that Clapper still works for the Federal Government in any capacity.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 9:07:03 AM PST by DManA ( you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Attention James Clapper, your bus is ready to leave......be under it.


3 posted on 11/20/2012 9:07:49 AM PST by shadeaud (We need to learn to know what our enemies are truly creating)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Clapper
4 posted on 11/20/2012 9:09:43 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (There goes the dominoes...)
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To: SeekAndFind

At least he can go back to making those on/off lights.


5 posted on 11/20/2012 9:10:02 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There are friends. We would not want to offend them in any way. There not terrorists. Americans are the ones to blame for suppressing them for so long. Signed SOCIALIST ANTI AMERICAN DEMOCRAT certified member of the HIDE THE DECLINE PARTY.


6 posted on 11/20/2012 9:12:34 AM PST by spawn44 (moo)
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To: SeekAndFind
Clapper is the same moron who did not know that Muzzie terrorists had been arrested in the UK, and who also claims the Muslim Brotherhood is a “secular organization.”

Bathhouse Barry's Marxist regime is full of incompetent idiots — very dangerous for America and the world.

7 posted on 11/20/2012 9:14:11 AM PST by twister881
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To: SeekAndFind

Clapper is the guy who said at a hearing thet the Muslim Brotherhood was “largely secular”.

He is a mole if there ever was one.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 9:15:01 AM PST by DManA ( you)
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 11/20/2012 9:15:13 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, please. It was an Obama appointee - if Bush was in power, they wouldn’t say it was the DNI and not the Whitehouse, they would say it was done by the “administration”.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 9:17:21 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DISMANTLE the “Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI)”.

BIG GOVERNMENT IS CRONY SOCIALISM

DEFUND, DISMANTLE, DEPOPULATE.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 9:19:19 AM PST by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind

OK assume thisto be trip.. Who added the video story?


12 posted on 11/20/2012 9:23:14 AM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The Taliban is on the inside of the building” Eric Nordstrom to Congress Oct 10, 2012


13 posted on 11/20/2012 9:26:01 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The Taliban is on the inside of the building” Eric Nordstrom to Congress Oct 10, 2012


14 posted on 11/20/2012 9:26:21 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t care if Bob the janitor came in and made the changes. Obama knew it was terrorists and he sent his UN Ambassador (surely an expert in these matters) out to lie for him. He’s just a dirty little money-grubbing Democrat grifter, and the sooner everyone wakes up to that fact, the fewer dead Arabs there’ll be and more money left in the public treasury.


15 posted on 11/20/2012 9:29:06 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: andyk

Right - - but it still doesn’t explain WHO authorized the false meme that the terrorist attack was the result of the “video”... It would have been very simple & straightforward for the administration to simply state (for example) that “organized extremists” took down the diplomatic mission, and omit any reference to a “video” - - but they didn’t - - and there was a reason for this - - and a reason for repeating this lie over and over again for weeks...


16 posted on 11/20/2012 9:33:26 AM PST by CAA
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To: SeekAndFind

Did David “The Axe” Axelrod or “Baghdad Bob” Gibbs weigh in on the issue of what talking points were to be used in the run up to the election, bolstering the “GM is alive, UBL is dead” montra?


17 posted on 11/20/2012 9:33:44 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Clapper is a DUMB BAG OF ROCKS!! He is PERfect FOR A gOVERNMENT JOB!!


18 posted on 11/20/2012 9:35:18 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...links to al Qaeda were deemed too “tenuous” to make public, because there was not strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence...”

On the other hand, the “insulting video” story was based on rock solid evidence from operatives in the field...(/sarc off)


19 posted on 11/20/2012 9:40:38 AM PST by eartotheground
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To: SeekAndFind

Ha! I knew it. I have been suggesting that it was James Clapper who concocted the “false narrative” regarding the video protest, as well as the idea to blame it on the CIA and Petraeus.

Clapper is Petraeus’ boss and is the man who demanded Petraeus’ resignation. There was an article linked by Drudge about how disliked Petraeus was in the Obama intelligence community, and about how they disliked working for him.

My guess is that Clapper was in the White House situation room on 9/11 with Panetta and the rest. When Panetta said that top generals and security people made the decision not to send help to Benghazi. I think that he meant after they had advised Obama to issue the stand down and go to bed.

If you listen to Obama’s statements, he always says top security officials issued the reports, he never said that the reports came from the CIA. He meant Clapper, who is over the CIA.


20 posted on 11/20/2012 9:41:46 AM PST by Eva
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To: SeekAndFind
Well good, now that this side issue has been resolved, let's get to the main issue.

The criminal incompetence of assigning American diplomats to indefensible facilities and refusing to rescue them when their location was overrun by terrorists.

Why exactly was this necessary? Who put this lame plan together? What was the backup plan? What role did politics and the election play in this debacle?

21 posted on 11/20/2012 9:45:20 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did he take it upon himself to edit the reports? Or was he ordered to do it? Of course, that won’t make any difference. We might as well get used to it. obama can do anything he wants because there is no opposition party. And there hasn’t been for four years.

So, we must fix the GOP from inside! sarc


22 posted on 11/20/2012 9:46:13 AM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The talking points are important, but the president and Hilary went to the UN and then on Pakistan tv, lying about the video. It was a full court press to deceive the American people before the election.


23 posted on 11/20/2012 9:52:48 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind
“..The White House or State Department did not make those changes. -—”

Clapper works in the WH and is in constant contact with Obama, especially in times like this. This is Clinton style parsing words to coverup the coverup. There is no doubt Obama himself gave the order to protect his juvenile bragging.

24 posted on 11/20/2012 9:55:44 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Williams

The GOP will prove to be utterly incompetent in ferreting out the truth about Benghazi. They had Petraeus on the stand and didn’t even ask the basic questions about what happened during the siege. Until those basic facts are established, the purpose for the coverup won’t become apparent. The Obama regime was looking for an excuse not to intervene in LIbya and the video narrative was what they chose. But in this case the crime is actually worse than the cover-up. Obama ordered the American military and intelligence branches to leave Americans in harms way. He was treasonous in doing so.


25 posted on 11/20/2012 9:58:28 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay?? I ‘m so glad that’s over. Maybe now we can find out what our US Ambassador was doing in a Benghazi “consulate”?

Why was he repeatedly denied additional protection.

Why were 40 some odd people originally left to die in a now confirmed Al Qaeda attack had they not been rescued by 3 American heroes?

Why were four US citizens, who were repeatedly denied rescue, left to die while “Senior Officials” watched on live TV.


26 posted on 11/20/2012 10:01:43 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: littleharbour

It’s all Kabuki Theater, the Republicans’ role is to play the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 10:02:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Still doesn’t tell who invented the “video” meme.

Clapper is “good soldier” taking one for his boss.
He shoulda stayed at Space Command.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 10:04:20 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Clapper going down the crapper...

“Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., told Fox News that intelligence officials who testified in a closed-door hearing a day earlier, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Acting CIA Director Mike Morell, said they did not know who changed the talking points. He said they went out to multiple departments, including the State Department, National Security Council, Justice Department and White House.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/#ixzz2CmrJ1Fls


29 posted on 11/20/2012 10:05:09 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: PJammers

Sen. Chambliss told Chris Wallace, “We’ve got to get some State Department officials in to really explain why you send an ambassador basically unguarded with a few Libyan guards.”

Sen. Lieberman added, “In my opinion it was irresponsible to have our State Department personnel there with only three security guards.” He went on to say that, “Either we should’ve given them the protection they deserved, or we should’ve closed that mission in Benghazi as the British government had done a short while before.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/18/sen-lieberman-it-was-irresponsible-to-have-state-department-personnel-in-libya/


30 posted on 11/20/2012 10:08:49 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: SeekAndFind
This "who changed the talking points" is a RED HERRING. IMPEACH OBAMA FOR COVERING-UP THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK TO SAVE HIS RE-ELECTION. Add insufficient security for Stevens and security and rescue DENIALS to the list of counts against Hillary and 0bama as well. CALL HILLARY TO D.C. TO TESTIFY NOW AND IF SHE DOESN'T SHOW UP, HOLD HER IN CONTEMPT.
31 posted on 11/20/2012 10:36:35 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind
From Wikipedia:

In 2003, Clapper, then head of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, attempted to explain the absence of WMDs in Iraq by asserting that the weapons materials were "unquestionably" shipped out of Iraq to Syria and other countries just before the American invasion, a "personal assessment" which Clapper's own agency head at the time, David Burpee, "could not provide further evidence to support."[10]

In an interview on December 20, 2010 with Diane Sawyer of ABC News, Clapper indicated he was completely unaware that twelve alleged would-be terrorists had been arrested in Great Britain earlier in the day.[11][12]

In February, 2011, when mass demonstrations were bringing down Mubarak's presidency in Egypt, Clapper told a House Intelligence Committee hearing that: "The term 'Muslim Brotherhood'...is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam," ... "They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera.....In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally." [13]

In March 2011, Clapper was heard at the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services and commented on the 2011 Libyan civil war that “over the longer term” Gaddafi “will prevail”. This position was loudly questioned by the White House, when National Security Advisor Thomas E. Donilon qualified his statement as a "static and one-dimensional assessment" and argued that “The lost legitimacy [of Gaddafi] matters".[14]

During the same hearing he was also questioned when he neglected to list Iran and North Korea among the nuclear powers that might pose a threat to the United States

Clapper has an interesting history. Doesn't change the fact that Obama "phoned it in" and left for Vegas.

32 posted on 11/20/2012 10:46:49 AM PST by GVnana
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To: SeekAndFind
Okay, let me get this straight. They didn’t have strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence that it was a terrorist attack so not wanting to provide information they didn’t have STRONG confidence in, they decided to fabricate a completely false story that they had zero confidence in. Yep, makes sense to me. Did they have strong confidence in their own eyes when they watched it unfold in real time or just regular confidence?
33 posted on 11/20/2012 10:56:13 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: GVnana

I don’t trust wiki’s reporting on the frst point. When was the last time that page was edited/updated?


34 posted on 11/20/2012 10:56:35 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SeekAndFind

So it’s too “tenuous” to mention terrorism, even with patent evidence of terrorism, prior knowledge that an attack was planned, and Al Qaeda groups claiming responsibility.

But it is NOT too “tenuous” to pronounce that the whole episode was just some good ole boys reacting reasonably to video blasphemy. Even though that was known to be false before Rice, whose UN job has nothing to do with Benghazi, was trotted out as the designated liar.

I actually hope they were lying for domestic political purposes. The alternative, that the Obamans are really this stupid, is terrifying (if saying that’s not too tenuous).


35 posted on 11/20/2012 10:59:24 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: GVnana

Do you have a link to that wiki page?


36 posted on 11/20/2012 11:02:43 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Clapper


37 posted on 11/20/2012 11:14:44 AM PST by GVnana
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To: SeekAndFind
Okay, let me get this straight. They didn’t have strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence that it was a terrorist attack so not wanting to provide information they didn’t have STRONG confidence in, they decided to fabricate a completely false story that they had zero confidence in. Yep, makes sense to me.
38 posted on 11/20/2012 11:14:53 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: shadeaud

lol


39 posted on 11/20/2012 11:19:21 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: littleharbour

The GOP will prove to be utterly incompetent in ferreting out the truth about Benghazi. They had Petraeus on the stand and didn’t even ask the basic questions about what happened during the siege. Until those basic facts are established, the purpose for the coverup won’t become apparent. The Obama regime was looking for an excuse not to intervene in LIbya and the video narrative was what they chose. But in this case the crime is actually worse than the cover-up. Obama ordered the American military and intelligence branches to leave Americans in harms way. He was treasonous in doing so


So True.

Key question is directly to Obama. Did you issue a Cross Border Authorization??

Without that, the only assets who could be deployed were inside Libya....

O wanted no semblance of a war with Libya......

Until this becomes a constant drumbeat the Dems will play rope a dope figuring
the general public will lose any semblance of interest in Bengazhi....


40 posted on 11/20/2012 11:32:22 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: twister881

twister881~:” Clapper is the same moron who did not know that Muzzie terrorists had been arrested in the UK, and who also claims the Muslim Brotherhood is a “secular organization.”

When the organization , in this case the “Muslim Brotherhood” wishes to impose Sharia (religious doctrine) law on a country (Egypt), you can’t say that they are a secular organization .

“Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.” from Mr. Erdogan( of Turkey)


41 posted on 11/20/2012 11:48:44 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: DManA

Every federal bureaucracy in this administration
has a DNI- “Do Not Investigate” department.


42 posted on 11/20/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: patriotspride
The SoS said as much early on, in an attempt to give the administration cover, saying the Libyan authorities did not give permission for our military to fly into Libyan airspace. The implication that Zero's administration couldn't do anything without permission is so ludicrous that the idiots at the State Department just might have been thinking that way! I haven't seen evidence that this angle of exploration of DOS incompetence was adequately pursued.

Added to that is the incompetence of telegraphing (as with Geraldo's sand drawing) to the likely conspirators within the Libyan government what our desires were and where the US might draw its criteria lines for action. For as little as this reasoning was exposed by the media, we might have otherwise come to know that certain advisors counseled non interference in the affairs of the "friendly" Libyans, once their denial of permission was received, or even that the mighty Zero administration was cowed by a threat from some Libyan general that we better not do that "or else" (read: "Your very own MANPADS will take out any CBA'ed aircraft"), or even that the SoS might have given her personal guarantee to advise Zero that he thusly refrain.

HF

43 posted on 11/20/2012 2:59:10 PM PST by holden
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To: holden

The SoS said as much early on, in an attempt to give the administration cover, saying the Libyan authorities did not give permission for our military to fly into Libyan airspace. The implication that Zero’s administration couldn’t do anything without permission is so ludicrous that the idiots at the State Department just might have been thinking that way! I haven’t seen evidence that this angle of exploration of DOS incompetence was adequately pursued.
Added to that is the incompetence of telegraphing (as with Geraldo’s sand drawing) to the likely conspirators within the Libyan government what our desires were and where the US might draw its criteria lines for action. For as little as this reasoning was exposed by the media, we might have otherwise come to know that certain advisors counseled non interference in the affairs of the “friendly” Libyans, once their denial of permission was received, or even that the mighty Zero administration was cowed by a threat from some Libyan general that we better not do that “or else” (read: “Your very own MANPADS will take out any CBA’ed aircraft”), or even that the SoS might have given her personal guarantee to advise Zero that he thusly refrain.

HF


Thanks. I’m glad someone else remembers that hillary request. I recall hearing it very quickly on Fox one time, and never again.

To me , it’s key to what we were really willing to do to ensure “ no one is left behind” and the real meaning of

” as soon as I heard about this I ordered etc” from Obama

The MSM could care less about this


44 posted on 11/21/2012 9:39:42 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: Diogenesis
Another example of Obama administration's deliberate minimalization of the threat :

MARCH 2012 : (LEON PANETTA CLAIMS "NOT-SO-FRIENDLY FIRE" INCIDENTS IN AFGHANISTAN ARE NOT PART OF A BROADER PATTERN ----LIAR OR IDIOT?) In December 2009, our commander in chief went to West Point and proclaimed that he would withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by 2014. Since then, he has proudly emphasized that "We are on a course to end this war responsibly."Now U.S. and NATO troops and loyal Afghan soldiers and police officers are reaping the bitter harvest of the seeds that Barack Obama planted with those words. In March, after an insider attack that killed two British commandos, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the assaults by individuals wearing Afghan police or military uniforms weren't part of "any kind of broad pattern of activity." That perception has been altered by events on the ground in Afghanistan. ..(Excerpt) Read more at creators.com ------Bitter Harvest (Oliver North), Creators Syndicate ^ | August 17, 2012 | Oliver North , Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:47:42 PM by jazusamo

Goes along with the Obama admin claim that the the Ft Hood massacre was not an act of terrorism, as well as the recruiting center shootings in Arkansas, which denied those troops and their families their due recognition in the WOT in spite of those attacks sharing AQAP figure Anqar al Awlaki, as did 9/11, the Toronto 18, the missing Somali cases, and undybomber Abdul Mutallab.

45 posted on 11/23/2012 7:19:39 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: GVnana

Thanks


46 posted on 11/23/2012 7:34:11 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Diogenesis; ColdOne

More lying by omission on the part of the Obama admin:

The letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta suggests the administration waited until Daqduq was in Iraqi custody before filing murder, terrorism and other charges. It also states the administration intentionally kept information from Capitol Hill lawmakers, who learned about the purported charges and Daqduq’s ordered release through New York Times stories. “Eight pages of charges ... appears to indicate that either the administration was purposefully withholding information from Congress or it had not done the due diligence required to file charges,” states the letter signed by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the committee’s ranking GOP lawmaker,... Hill GOP wants answers on Hezbollah leader tied to soldiers killings, set for release , foxnews.com ^ | 5/17/12 | foxnews , Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:43:22 PM · by ColdOne http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/16/hill-gop-wants-answers-on-hezbollah-leader-tied-to-soldiers-killings-set-for/?test=latestnews


47 posted on 11/23/2012 7:38:44 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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