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Why God Can't Get Angry (Video)
YouTube ^ | Tues Nov 20, 2012 | offTheLeftEye

Posted on 11/20/2012 12:48:25 PM PST by DaveMSmith

If we generally agree that loosing our temper at someone means that we have some more growing up to do, why would we think that God does it?


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Quick thoughts on why an angry divine being is mathematically impossible. God is Divine Love and Wisdom and infinite - the source. We are created vessels and receive or breathe what God emanates - what we call the Divine Proceeding or Holy Spirit - the source of everything good.

Evil is the same Spirit twisted and perverted through hell. As recipients, we always have a choice between good and evil. God does not punish but evil has consequences.

1 posted on 11/20/2012 12:48:34 PM PST by DaveMSmith
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To: DaveMSmith

Umm... because there’s some pretty harsh punishments meted out by Him in the Old Testament?


2 posted on 11/20/2012 12:51:58 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/S?)
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To: DaveMSmith
God does indeed get angry (ex: Jesus in the Temple with the money-changers).

However, he doesn't lose control ("lose his temper") like we do.

3 posted on 11/20/2012 12:53:51 PM PST by what's up
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To: Pearls Before Swine

That is an appearance of Truth.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 12:54:31 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

“Losing our temper” and “getting angry” are two different concepts.


5 posted on 11/20/2012 12:55:21 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: what's up

Jesus was not the Divine Human, yet when He entered the Temple. He still was a combination of Son of Man and Son of God.


6 posted on 11/20/2012 12:57:37 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

God is of unbounding, deep, merciful Love. He does not hate people but sin. He’s also a God of righteousness and exerts His controlled wrath when He deems it fit and proper.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 12:58:17 PM PST by tflabo
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To: tflabo

Yes, God is all merciful!


8 posted on 11/20/2012 12:59:37 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

>> If we generally agree that loosing our temper at someone means that we have some more growing up to do

If we generally agreed about that, you might be right. Since we don’t ... you aren’t. There are times when anger is the only mature response.

Never heard of the “wrath of God”? He flattened quite a few people in the Old Testament. Ever read Revelation? There’s another dose coming.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 11/20/2012 1:01:39 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: DaveMSmith
I got about half way through the video before I got sick of it.

It's just stupid. And it contradicts Scripture.

10 posted on 11/20/2012 1:04:43 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: DaveMSmith

Wow, waste of four minutes of my time. What, who, why - I don’t get it. Some young dude pulls some out of context quotes about God hating people, and the thread is about anger? Or temper?

What is the point?


11 posted on 11/20/2012 1:05:20 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: DaveMSmith

The Bible is loaded with discussion of God’s getting angry.

I find it rather amusing when people set themselves up as experts on God’s disposition.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 1:07:19 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ShadowAce

I’m not even going to watch it.
Obviously it contradicts scripture (from the descriptions here), and is simply someone’s attempt to make God in their own image instead of the other way around.

God reveals who He is in Special Revelation, ie, Scripture.
No need to conjecture any further than that.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 1:07:40 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DaveMSmith

Unscriptural pap being peddled with this.

God does INDEED get angry and actually metes out HIS WRATH on a disobedient people who call themselves HIS.

Who knows the power of Your anger? For as the fear of You, so is Your wrath. - Psalms 90:11

And the peaceful dwellings are cut down Because of the fierce anger of the Lord. - Jeremiah 25:37

They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God; They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols. But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation; I will move them to anger by a foolish nation. - Deuteronomy 32:21

Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against this land, to bring on it every curse that is written in this book. - Deuteronomy 29:27

Arise, O Lord, in Your anger; Lift Yourself up because of the rage of my enemies; Rise up for me to the judgment You have commanded! - Psalms 7:6

O God, why have You cast us off forever? Why does Your anger smoke against the sheep of Your pasture? - Psalms 74:1

Before the decree is issued, Or the day passes like chaff, Before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you! - Zephaniah 2:2

Those were just for starters. There are over 220 direct references to God getting angry. Many reference God pouring out His wrath IN HIS ANGER.

This whole Satanic doctrine of health/wealth God is always happy with us garbage is one of the greatest deception that has taken ahold of the church in this nation.

Note that most of these folks use their own reasoning and deductions to ascribe to God , what His Word in scripture contradicts.

Let us not be blind following the blind.

In His anger, this nation is being judged. God has allowed this people to suffer the consequences of the evil they choose to rule them. Because this people forgot God is a jealous God, and we worshipped men and the state and made government god over us. A people not governed by God, will be ruled by the tyranny of men.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 1:08:48 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DaveMSmith

WHich God?...


15 posted on 11/20/2012 1:10:32 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: DaveMSmith

Nonsense!

God has declared his anger too many times to accept this anti-scriptural hogwash.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 1:18:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DaveMSmith

Wrath of God.

Case closed. Or be irritating some more.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 1:19:14 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: DaveMSmith

>> “Jesus was not the Divine Human” <<

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What an idiotic statement.

You must be a Joebaloney’s Witness.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 1:21:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DaveMSmith

I love GOD... I fear GOD... I have read of what HIS wrath will do. dims will one day feel HIS wrath.

LLS


19 posted on 11/20/2012 1:21:40 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I said - yet. His glorification took place after He rose.


20 posted on 11/20/2012 1:25:17 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: MrB

>> “I’m not even going to watch it.” <<

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Ditto.

Why give Satan the hits.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 1:28:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DaveMSmith

Psalm 7:10-12
King James Version (KJV)

10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 1:28:22 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: DaveMSmith

Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.


23 posted on 11/20/2012 1:28:58 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: DaveMSmith

>> “His glorification took place after He rose.” <<

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Sorry, no. Mary was impregnated by the Spirit of YHWH.

Jesus was God from the moment of conception, as his word plainly says.

Get thee behind us Satan.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 1:30:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DaveMSmith
God does not get embarrassed by his anger, he is righteous - it is the “end all” to all judgment.

This guy questions Gods judgment about anger?

25 posted on 11/20/2012 1:32:19 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: DaveMSmith

God wrote a book about Himself.

Your ideas disagree with what He had to say.

More specifically, you disagree in detail with things Jesus said about Himself and things people who knew Jesus said about him.

So, you’re selling heresy.

Heresy’s for suckers.

Go find some suckers to sell your heresy to.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 1:36:12 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (There is no tagline. You must seek your answers elsewhere.)
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To: DaveMSmith
“Loosing one’s temper” implies an overreaction and loss of control. God does not lose control.

If I catch a pervert molesting my daughter, my righteous anger will most likely result in the pervert's death.

It is a matter of just and unjust. What we normally get with God is unjust on the merciful side, which is good for us given what most of us justly deserve. But righteous anger exists within all good men and the Bible indicates that the Trinity is not devoid of it.

28 posted on 11/20/2012 1:42:37 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Jesus was not the Divine Human, yet when He entered the Temple. He still was a combination of Son of Man and Son of God.

Jesus is God. He did get angry (justifiably so) on more than one occasion.

29 posted on 11/20/2012 1:49:11 PM PST by what's up
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To: DaveMSmith

Are you saying that Jesus was sinful, and that He was not the only begotten Son of God? That’s kind of Christianity 101 stuff ...


30 posted on 11/20/2012 1:50:53 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: DaveMSmith

I don’t “generally agree” with you.


31 posted on 11/20/2012 1:58:08 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DaveMSmith

Ahh...another thread where the authority of scripture is rejected in favor of whimsy.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 1:59:15 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Jesus was not the Divine Human, yet when He entered the Temple. He still was a combination of Son of Man and Son of God.

Nowhere in the "Old Testament" is The Messiah required to be G-d.
Nowhere is it taught by G-d, His prophets, nor in Jesus' words that salvation requires belief that The Messiah and G-d are the same.
Nowhere is it taught by G-d, His prophets, nor in Jesus' words that salvation requires belief in the Trinity.
All I am required are to follow G-d's Word as taught by his Son, Jesus.
To say that Jesus and his disciples (all of them 2nd Temple Jews) walked around professing that Jesus was G-d and that you had to believe he was G-d to be saved (or they were too simple to understand the concept of trinitarianism or binitarianism) is absolute nonsense and ignorance of true history and the Mission and Aims of Jesus the Galilean Jew.
However, none of that has to do with the posting or the content of the idiotic video.

The idiot that made that video probably also ignorantly believes that "G-d hates the sin, but loves the sinner."
33 posted on 11/20/2012 2:03:52 PM PST by brent13a
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To: DaveMSmith

There’s a world of difference between sinful anger and righteous anger.


34 posted on 11/20/2012 2:25:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DaveMSmith
Every type of christianity teaches Paul's version of Jesus and not the true historical Galilean Jew; the Jew whom walked the dusty roads of Israel and Galilee and whom was made G-d's spiritual Son and given G-d's ultimate mission at the baptism by John the Baptist.
Nowhere is it taught by G-d, His prophets, nor in Jesus' words that I am required by G-d's Law to filter Jesus' teachings through Paul's hellenistic philosophy.
Nowhere is it taught by G-d, His prophets, nor in Jesus' words that the Messiah was to bring a whole new and different religion separate from G-d's Original Word.

So what was Jesus' Mission and Aims as ordained by his (our) Father before corruption into "christianity"?

The Mission and Aims of Jesus

• Jesus was concerned for the fulfillment of the restorative promises of YHWH to Israel, and the constitution of a restored relationship between YHWH and his Chosen People. P. 237 Huat Tan
• The aim of Jesus was to live according to the will of YHWH, of which the Law with the Prophets formed the chief revelation. His viewpoint was ordinary Judaism, he behaved as a pious Jew of Galilee would have been expected. P. 19 Cadbury
•The mission of Jesus was a proclamation of the coming of YHWH’s kingly rule, a regathering or reconstituting of the tribes of Israel at the End-of-the-Age. Jesus addressed his proclamation to Israel in its promised land. P. 385 Meier
• Jesus understood his main task was to be the center of the movement which was a revival. This revival was the realization of the kingdom of God among mankind on earth 
P. 88 Flusser
•Jesus’ mission was to initiate a straightforward challenge: Be better than than the Pharisees. Outdo them in righteousness. Live the Covenant with YHWH to the fullest, following the Law carefully, paying attention not only to the required conduct but also the corresponding right attitude. Plan for the kingdom of YHWH. P. 83 Wilson
•Jesus took his literal message of the imminence of the end, of the Current Age, to Jews who were not faithful. Jesus taught that the 'lost' Jews should return to YHWH's true way. Jesus described Jews who had fallen away from YHWH and did not observe the Mosaic Law as they should as "sinners" and "Lost Sheep”. P. 59 Casey
•Jesus believed his teachings were a prophetic intensification of Jewish tradition and Mosaic Law. Jesus also taught detailed ethical instructions that were an intensification of certain aspects of the Mosaic Law. These certain intensifications were especially relevant for returning sinners. P. 60 Casey
• Jesus’ mission was directed to all Israel both geographically and socially, it covered all regions and included all classes of Jews. It went beyond the borders of geographical Israel to Jews of the neighboring countries, and was addressed to notorious ‘sinners’, whom the national elite had ostracized and excommunicated. P. 164 Meyer
•Jesus went to Jerusalem to bring his ministry and YHWH's restorative program to a climax. Jesus believed that Israel was still, to some extent, in a state of exile and therefore full restoration was still pending. P. 233 Huat Tan
• Jesus understood that YHWH was seeking to gather Jerusalem. Hence, the restoration of Jerusalem to be the city of YHWH's kingship was the goal of Jesus. P. 230 Huat Tan
•The sayings traditions confirm that Zion was like a magnet to Jesus and a countervailing charge of his ministry. It was understood by Jesus to be the city of YHWH's kingship and he sought the restoration of it to that kingship. P. 231 Huat Tan
•Jesus is the only known Jew of ancient times to have taught that not only was the world at the threshold of the End-of-the-Age but also that the New Age of salvation had begun. P. 80 Flusser
•Jesus believed in an intermediary period between the historical past and the End- of-the-Age. Jesus is also the only known Jew to have identified the kingdom of YHWH with that intermediary period. P. 86 Flusser
• For Jesus the kingdom of YHWH was both present and future. Jesus believed there were already individuals living in the manifested kingdom, because the ministry of John the Baptist was when the kingdom began breaking through. P. 80 Flusser
•Jesus' mission was Israel-centric, but he espoused a view of restoration that was indebted to certain strands of Israel's sacred traditions where the gentiles are implicit beneficiaries of Israel's salvation. Jesus conceived of the restoration of Israel as resulting in the salvation of the gentiles from their heathen beliefs. Since this restoration was already being partially realized in Jesus' ministry, it was becoming possible for gentiles to begin sharing in Israel's salvation in the present, by aligning themselves with the ways commanded by YHWH. P. 173 Bird
•Jesus understood himself and his followers to be the new vanguard of the restored Israel, who would appropriate for themselves the role of Israel and the temple, in being a light to the corrupted world. Thus, a gentile mission has its germinal roots in the aims and intentions of Jesus and was developed, reconfigured, and reappropriated in a transformed situation by adherents of the early Christian movement. P. 173 Bird



References:


Cadbury, H.J. “Purpose, Aim and Motive in Jesus” in The Historical Jesus: Jesus’ Mission, Death, and Resurrection. London New York: Routledge, 2004.

Meyer, Ben F. “Jesus’ Ministry and Self-Understanding” in The Historical Jesus: Jesus’ Mission, Death, and Resurrection. London New York: Routledge, 2004.

Flusser, David. The Sage from Galilee : Rediscovering Jesus' genius. Grand Rapids, Mich: William B. Eerdmans Pub. Co, 2007.

Huat Tan, Kim. The Zion traditions and the aims of Jesus. Cambridge England New York: Cambridge University Press, 1997.

Wilson, Barrie. How Jesus became Christian. Toronto: Vintage Canada, 2009.

Casey, Maurice. From Jewish Prophet to Gentile God. Westminster John Knox, 1992.

Meier, John P. “Jesus, the Twelve, and the Restoration of Israel” in Restoration: Old Testament, Jewish, and Christian Perspectives. Leiden:Brill, 2001.

Bird, Michael F. Jesus and the Origins of the Gentile Mission. London New York: T&T Clark, 2007.
35 posted on 11/20/2012 2:27:52 PM PST by brent13a
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To: DaveMSmith

The simple answer is because He has already told He does.....who am I to question the mind of God?

God is NOT only love....read the Bible for His attributes. He is capable of righteous anger....end of story. Do not try and put gobbled gook definitions made up either by you or some new age weinie onto God. Read the Screwtape Letters by Lewis and you will find where you have strayed


36 posted on 11/20/2012 2:31:44 PM PST by Nifster
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To: DaveMSmith

your theology will take you straight to the gates of Hell. Unfortunately you will never recognize the anti-Christ when he comes. Good luck with that


37 posted on 11/20/2012 2:33:37 PM PST by Nifster
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To: brent13a

Excellent - we all can follow this.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 2:35:10 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

ANd you are so scripturally ignorant it isn’t even funny. Perhaps if you spent some time reading some CS Lewis (e.g. Mere Christianity) and the Bible itself your eyes would open. Right now your comments reveal you to be a nonbeliever of the deadly type


39 posted on 11/20/2012 2:36:33 PM PST by Nifster
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To: brent13a

“Every type of christianity teaches Paul’s version of Jesus...” I quit reading your nonsense at that point. Your lack of understanding of God and our Messiah is frightening on its face. Your ignorance drips from every word


40 posted on 11/20/2012 2:39:44 PM PST by Nifster
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To: All
Revelation 22

The River of Life 1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."

41 posted on 11/20/2012 2:43:02 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Nifster

Can you put some of your beliefs on your profile page? It would be helpful.


42 posted on 11/20/2012 2:46:01 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: what's up

Agree


43 posted on 11/20/2012 2:56:53 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: brent13a
So let me see if I have this right: we're not required to filter Jesus' teachings through Paul's Hellenistic philosophy (even though Paul bragged about being of the Tribe of Benjamin, and was so zealous for Judaism that he was given power by the Jewish leaders to kill Christians); and met with Peter and others of the early Church in person; and who bragged of the inadequacy of his knowledge in exchange for the personal knowledge of Jesus; and who was persecuted and finally martyred for his faith.

BUT...

it would be better that we filter Jesus' teachings through the writings of a small cadre of people who lived two thousand years later, and who are related neither by blood, nor culture, nor language, and who are relying on multiple fragmentary sources written in dead languages; AND who seek either financial or economic gain from doing so; and who pride themselves on their intellectual attainments, and face no real persecution for their views.

Cheers!

44 posted on 11/20/2012 3:11:14 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DaveMSmith
God's anger is also a righteous anger. It's provoked by evil. That anger is tempered with mercy.

We know that God does in fact punish. He will occasionally purge evil from His creation, Sodom and Gemorrah, the violence which existed before the flood, and the coming final judgement spoken of in Revelations.

He also chastises "those whom he loves".

We are also told that the reason judgement doesn't come immediately is that the Lord is long suffering.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

45 posted on 11/20/2012 3:11:41 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Exactly. If you don’t think God gets worked up, then you haven’t read the O.T.


46 posted on 11/20/2012 3:17:56 PM PST by mad puppy (Not my first choice, but I will vote for Mitt over Obama any time.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Godly anger is an anthropomorphism we use to describe something we don’t have the ability to understand in any other terms


47 posted on 11/20/2012 3:27:04 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Nifster

bump


48 posted on 11/20/2012 3:41:21 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DaveMSmith

I’m a mom and I get angry when my children disobey and screw up. I don’t “lose my temper” but I show anger when all else (reason) is failing. Fortunately, they have always been reasonable people so I don’t show anger at them often. It scares the crap out of them. : )

Why do I do that? Because I don’t want them dealing with the suffering that comes with their disobedience to goodness or living in darkness. Life, as God designed it, gives people consequences when they embrace a mind and behavior of darkness and rebellion. The worst consequence is separation from God. I would not love my children if I did not care enough to become angry at them when they are setting about to ruin themselves and our home while I am responsible for them.

Expressing anger and “losing control” are not the same thing. Terrible consequences for terrible actions and mindsets are guarenteed in creation. Imposing consequences for misbehavior in children is a big part of parenting, too. It does not mean you are losing control; it means you care and focus enough to raise your children.

I know it is one of the anti-Christian slogans liberals have sold to young Christians that God does not ever reject anyone for sin. But that is not true. Sin has a natural consequence of separation from God and repenting (turning from sin) and asking forgiveness through Jesus is the way you reopen your relationship with God. I don’t think God “hates” people. But I think He hates the suffering and destruction of sin. He rejects sin. If you are harboring sin; embracing sin and naming evil good, He rejects you as you have rejected Him. Relationship with God is a two way street.

Life’s a rough road to hoe without His road map, especially if you look at the map and tell yourself to go in the opposite direction because you are smarter and better than the map and the designer of the map.


49 posted on 11/20/2012 3:44:12 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: DaveMSmith

pearls before swine in your case


50 posted on 11/20/2012 3:46:59 PM PST by Nifster
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