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House explosion that killed 2 in Indianapolis being investigated as a homicide
NBC News ^ | November 19, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:04:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The huge explosion that flattened homes and killed two people on Nov. 10 in Indianapolis is now being investigated as a homicide case, authorities said at a press conference Monday night.

Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry appealed to the public for information about a white van that was seen in the area, NBC affiliate WTHR reported. He said the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is assisting with the case.

"While the fire investigation has been progressing, there has been a parallel investigation, not solely focusing on the cause of the explosion but focusing on individuals who may have been responsible once accidental causes were eliminated," Curry said. "That investigation has consisted of numerous interviews with various individuals as well as execution of a number of search."

The interviews and search warrants are why the investigation is considered an active criminal homicide investigation, Curry said...

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: crime; explosion; indiana; indianapolis
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Anarchists again?
1 posted on 11/20/2012 7:04:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if that’s the same white van from the DC sniper case? Where’s Chief Moose?


2 posted on 11/20/2012 7:08:12 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anybody seen Bill Ayers lately?


3 posted on 11/20/2012 7:08:36 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You thinking one in particular?


4 posted on 11/20/2012 7:09:28 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's highly probable that the developer sheered off the sealing cap on an old gas well in that neighborhood ~ and nobody noticed it because, as it turns out, natural gas is odorless. Percaptin is added to it to give it an odor, but it's not added to that stuff down in the ground.

Eventually the gas achieved sufficient pressure to move out under the homes into their basements, then the whole thing would combust when somebody's furnace turned out!

Old timers know where the wells are all along Old 31, and even over at Trevlac ~ used to be a bunch of them no more than 5 miles from this site.

There are maps they could reference!

5 posted on 11/20/2012 7:11:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard this from day one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQojHX7K8rk


6 posted on 11/20/2012 7:15:24 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very strange. The people who lived in the house that blew up had left town, sent their daughter to stay with friends, and even sent their cats into boarding. But now they claim to know nothing about how this could have happened.

The couple killed next door appear to have been perfectly normal human beings and I don’t think they were the target. So who was “Monserrate Shirley” (sounds Haitian to me) and why would she have been the target?


7 posted on 11/20/2012 7:16:25 PM PST by livius
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To: Fred Hayek

Indianapolis anarchist sentenced in bridge bomb plot
http://features.rr.com/article/0ahT3zPbYlcUG?q=Ohio


8 posted on 11/20/2012 7:19:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: livius

Under water on the mortgage?


9 posted on 11/20/2012 7:19:50 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That house was blasted to a bare foundation. If there was gas to the house, i’d like to know how they ruled out an accident. If it was all electric, ok, but i think i read that it had gas appliances.

So is this a REAL homicide investigation? It sounds like it might be an attempt to hang a cheesy homicide charge on the guy who had just recently worked on the furnace. Politicans are incapable of just saying “tragic accident” if 80 houses are damaged/destroyed.
Someone must always be arrested so it looks like you are “doing something”. This just has that feel.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 7:20:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Bronzy
To All,

May I add that I told my family that is was not a residential gas leak explosion which all thought it was. As time goes on, what was it? The neighbors see homeland security et all and now it is a white van?

11 posted on 11/20/2012 7:28:20 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was one terrorist who set off a bomb years ago in Indianapolis. Now he’s a so-called philathropist who files junk lawsuits and makes “swat” calls on people who disgree with him. Of course, one of Obama’s friends.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 7:31:52 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is another site:
http://consciousshift2012.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/alert-usa-indianapolis-predator-drone-attack-help-us-prove-or-debunk/ Comments interesting.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 7:34:37 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: livius

been reading up on this. Boyfriend is a piece of work. Felonies, etc.

There is a poster here whose son works with Shirley.
She posted on another thread.

A guy in the furnace business said he thought it was intentional. You do something in the basement. Cant remember exactly what he said. Like Saw off the union or something like that.

Take off and wait for the furnace to kick on.

problem was too much gas filled up in the basement of the house because it was warm outside..thus creating a quake that showed up on an earthquake meter 30 miles away when the furnace finally kicked on.

Thus what was suppose to be a house fire turned into a homicide and millions of dollars worth of damage.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 7:34:53 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RetiredTexasVet

That’s what I was thinking. In my neighborhood there’s been several house fires...all of them foreclosures (or about to be foreclosed).


15 posted on 11/20/2012 7:35:16 PM PST by virgil
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To: RetiredTexasVet

That’s what I was thinking. In my neighborhood there’s been several house fires...all of them foreclosures (or about to be foreclosed).


16 posted on 11/20/2012 7:36:31 PM PST by virgil
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To: livius

Her photo is all over google. Looks like an regular middle-aged, average woman next door, not Haitian. And as far as sending a kid away and boarding the cat, she and her guy were out of town at a casino somewhere.
Lots of people let the kid stay with a friend and board the cat when they are going out of town for a weekend.

This just sounds like they are trying to find an official person to charge with homicide. It HAS to be a homicide, because that nice teacher and her husband died, and a neighborhood blew up. It couldn’t possibly just be an accident involving a house filled with gas, which found an ignition source.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 7:37:57 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Bronzy
Commenter from Indy:
I live within a mile of the blast site and I can tell you it was a very violent explosion. I’ve spoken with people who live even closer than I, and they claim FBI helicopters were in the air and there before the firefighters even got there. Now the fire station is about 1100 ft from the blast site, how did the copters (there is a station for them in Beech Grove, IN a small community about 15 minutes away) get there before them.. I live about 4 times as far as the fire station and I thought it was an earthquake that knocked a tree on my house. The ground shook and the explsion was at least as loud as nearby thunder. It was very violent, and i’m sure the firefighters knew about it long before any call came in. If this was a surprise blast, the FBI would not have known about it for several minutes. BTW, Beech Grove is an old railway repair sttion, and is one of the gov’t detention sites that where black federal helicopters are parked. It is complete with barbed wire that points IN, and detention type block buildings, a railway with cattle car type train cars, and a prison type watchtower . Only one newscast reported on this that night, the others were already off the air, and that one had been airing college football, which ran late. The initial report was that it happened in Beech Grove?!? That is not very lose to the actual site at all. I wonder if they are checking for military style explosives. (such as Nano-Thermite) Of course the only reports we are getting about any ATF or other federal investigation is from our ULTRA PROGRESSIVE congressman, Andre Carson, like we’ll believe anything he has to say. I’ll keep asking to see if anyone in the area heard/saw anything right before the blast. I was inside reading, so I didn’t hear anything. There are apartments immediately west. I walk my dog over that way often. Generally to the west, the area is heavily populated despite surrounding cornfields around the school where evacuees were taken & facing Sherman and Stop 11.
18 posted on 11/20/2012 7:39:38 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Bronzy
Beech Grove is an old railway repair sttion, and is one of the gov’t detention sites

OMG, you're not one of "those", are you?

19 posted on 11/20/2012 7:43:35 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-officials-gas-intentionally-released-into-home-in-south-side-explosion-20121120,0,5349864.column

Police have two people in custody for questioning following the deadly explosion on the city’s south side.

Fox59 has confirmed Bob Leonard and David Gill are being questioned by police.


20 posted on 11/20/2012 7:47:58 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Alaska Wolf

I live here. The “unexplained explosion” was here.

BTW, that was not my post. Just an Indy citizen.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 7:51:16 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: RummyChick
The neighborhoods of the perps do not register as high explosive experts.
22 posted on 11/20/2012 7:55:33 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: RummyChick
Fox59 has confirmed Bob Leonard and David Gill are being questioned by police.

If charged and proven guilty, which is quite likely, I hope the perps sre executed promptly.

Congratulations Butler University for your victory over the UNC Tarheels. How sweet it is!

23 posted on 11/20/2012 7:58:34 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"Exploding house, suspected faulty heater 24hrs. earlier, neighborhood leveled, homicide investigation? We don't cover that."
24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:00:01 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: RummyChick
Looks like home of explosive agents:
4100 S Rybolt Ave, Indianapolis, IN

Check google earth

25 posted on 11/20/2012 8:00:25 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Bronzy
This wonderful man:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/readymeet-soros-funded-domestic-terrorist-brett-kimberlin-whose-job-is-terrorizing-bloggers-into-silence/
26 posted on 11/20/2012 8:05:56 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: livius
sent their daughter to stay with friends

How old was the daughter?
27 posted on 11/20/2012 8:07:33 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Bronzy
The “unexplained explosion” was here.

"I know.

BTW, that was not my post.

I saw nothing that indicated it wasn't.

I also know that Keepers Of Odd Knowledge believe Beech Grove is a "secret government internment camp".

28 posted on 11/20/2012 8:07:38 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Whatever. Is it not?


29 posted on 11/20/2012 8:10:25 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: RummyChick
problem was too much gas filled up in the basement of the house because it was warm outside..thus creating a quake that showed up on an earthquake meter 30 miles away when the furnace finally kicked on.

Yes and no. Too much gas and there will not be combustion. What bothered me was the flame pattern on the foundation.
30 posted on 11/20/2012 8:11:05 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

They also boarded their cat for a weekend. Odd to me a cat owner.


31 posted on 11/20/2012 8:13:09 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: DesertRhino
This just sounds like they are trying to find an official person to charge with homicide. It HAS to be a homicide, because that nice teacher and her husband died, and a neighborhood blew up. It couldn’t possibly just be an accident involving a house filled with gas, which found an ignition source.

Agreed. This was a "city" owned gas company. That is another factor that is involved with this tragedy.
32 posted on 11/20/2012 8:14:05 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Bronzy
They also boarded their cat for a weekend. Odd to me a cat owner.

Agreed. The flame pattern bothers me. I would like to know the distribution pressure for the development. A visual on the size of the regulators would be helpful if anyone knows?
33 posted on 11/20/2012 8:18:49 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Bronzy
Whatever. Is it not?

Are you a "valley girl"? Is what, not?

34 posted on 11/20/2012 8:21:37 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I understand she rented the house.


35 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:08 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: Rebelbase

“We are scammers, duh duh duh duh loh duh duh!”


36 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Yeah, I kind of live in the valley. Answer the question. Are there FEMA camps or not? Who knows?


37 posted on 11/20/2012 8:35:01 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Alaska Wolf

I also live in the area described and his description is accurate. It is indeed a holding facility meant to keep people in and has direct rail access. If you go around it you will be stopped and yes they have black unmarked helicopters. The site has been operational, guarded and yet unoccupied for years now. I was taken through the facility to make repairs on equipment and I am sure its a detention facility.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 8:37:07 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: PA Engineer
I guess by putting in the address you could check here:
http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/natural_gas/analysis_publications/ngpipeline/index.html
39 posted on 11/20/2012 8:39:22 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Honestly, if anyone ever moves in next door to me with a white van, I might get a pit bull.


40 posted on 11/20/2012 8:39:54 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: PA Engineer

Or this: http://www.spectraenergy.com/Operations/US-Pipeline-Locator/


41 posted on 11/20/2012 8:42:11 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Bronzy

I live by Southport Rd. and Shelby. We thought a car had come off the road and hit the house. It was unbelievably violent. I know a guy with the gas company, he said it wasn’t caused by gas but that he couldn’t talk about the how they know. He is credible.


42 posted on 11/20/2012 8:43:57 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: enduserindy

Correction - he said it wasn’t a gas “leak.”


43 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:23 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: PA Engineer

“This was a “city” owned gas company.”

Ok,, that sure gives the city an incentive to make this someone else’s fault. At a paltry 250k per household, it gives them about 20 million reasons. This will wind up being a hundred million dollars worth of lawsuits.

The city would love for this to be a homicide, an attempt at arson fraud, or some heater mechanic who did shoddy work.


44 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:38 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: enduserindy
I was taken through the facility to make repairs on equipment

Why not, it is an Amtrak Repair Facility.

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/marion_county/indiana-amtrak-workers-assured-jobs-secure

http://www.fox59.com/wxin-amtrack-indiana-facility-080609,0,6070714.story

45 posted on 11/20/2012 8:48:12 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: PA Engineer

On that site, you go down to perform a search now...forget their search button.


46 posted on 11/20/2012 8:49:42 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: Bronzy
Are there FEMA camps or not?

What is a FEMA camp? A detention facility, internment camp, prison camp or an emergency facility for displaced people?

47 posted on 11/20/2012 8:54:14 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Alaska, long way from Indy. It is 1. a detention facility for sure. (I’ve done some work inside it. All fencing and construction are prison like and meant to keep people inside. 2. watched like a hawk. (And yes they even use helicopters.) 3. well maintained but not used, for years now.

If you lived around here you would know it is definitely not a welcoming place with heavy surveillance/security. I suggest the next visit to Indy you visit it and take some pictures just to see the response. One more thing, there are black unmarked helicopters around it frequently.


48 posted on 11/20/2012 8:58:29 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: Bronzy

Got the address? I’m familiar with most of the transmission systems.


49 posted on 11/20/2012 8:59:22 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Why not, it is an Amtrak Repair Facility.

Not any longer. Hasn’t been for a long time.


50 posted on 11/20/2012 9:00:31 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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