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How to Survive Societal Collapse in Suburbia
New York Times ^ | 11-16-12 | KEITH O’BRIEN

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:39:58 PM PST by dynachrome

On a clear morning in May, Ron Douglas left his home in exurban Denver, eased into his Toyota pickup truck and drove to a business meeting at a Starbucks. Douglas, a bearded bear of a man, ordered a venti double-chocolate-chip Frappuccino — “the girliest drink ever,” he called it — and then sat down to discuss the future of the growing survivalist industry.

The fact that Douglas not only told me where he lives but also invited me to visit him would be considered a huge mistake by many in the prepping world. Revealing your location runs the risk of compromising your Opsec, or “operations security,” an abbreviation coined by the military and adopted by survivalists. “I don’t even mention what state I live in,” James Wesley Rawles, the editor of SurvivalBlog.com, a popular prepping Web site, told me. “All I’m at liberty to discuss, with consent of my wife, is that I live somewhere west of the Rockies.”

For Rawles and others, it’s a matter of security. Revealing your location gives the Unprepared a road map to the stockpiles of the Prepared, in the event of Teotwawki. “I don’t want to wake up and find out that I’m the go-to guy — literally,” Rawles says.

If civilization breaks down, Douglas’s house is definitely where you want to be. In his home office — the de facto headquarters for Red Shed’s six shareholders and two independent contractors — he keeps not only his iPad and his MacBook but also a ham radio and a C.B. radio. In his basement, there is roughly a year’s supply of wheat, rice and other staples. And outside, he tries to keep a year’s supply of chopped wood and, in his garage, 375 gallons of water.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: New York
KEYWORDS: collapse; preparedness; preppers; prepping; shtf; suburbia; teotwawki
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To: GraceG

“Well they could have “anti-hoarding” laws setup”

That IS in the latest Executive Order regarding “Homeland Security”.


51 posted on 11/21/2012 12:48:33 AM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Kartographer

That predator is protein!


52 posted on 11/21/2012 1:28:49 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: dynachrome

“Suburbia”, huh? That sounds like a code word for “not black”. Is that another dog whistle I hear? - Chris Matthews


53 posted on 11/21/2012 1:36:31 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dynachrome

The final survivors will be the cannibals.


54 posted on 11/21/2012 1:47:03 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: familyop

“but have seen comments on quite a few related “prepper” and end-of-the-world TV shows. Must be all the rage.”

Paints them as whackjobs; no serious prepper would ape for the camera like that (one guy shot his finger off). Reminded me of a show I saw a few weeks ago on “militias”; they focused on 3 tiny groups that would be more accurately described as “prepper clubs”.

Nothing is allowed on TV that would ever show independent streaks in a positive light.


55 posted on 11/21/2012 2:45:47 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have to do more in my prep work. Nearby water is not an issue, a number of streams, etc. within a short walking distance. And I have a small amount of purification supplies, etc.

For the life of me, I don’t know why peope flock to areas like Phoenix, etc. One of my least favorite cities, for those reasons, like living in a desert fishbowl..


56 posted on 11/21/2012 4:43:25 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Blueflag

Well stated. If we break down to that level, then I’m just out of luck. Yes, I could probably defend against a haggard guy, but what about two ex-cons...maybe. How about when they come back with 7 or 8. The point being, unless you can kill each attacker and each group of attackers as they arrive and then bury the bodies without anyone knowing anything has happened (i.e., dead rabbits tell no tales), then you will be eventually overwhelmed - and of course killing and burying everyone is not possible - unless you’re a drug lord (I saw a show on that). It just can’t have a happy ending.


57 posted on 11/21/2012 4:50:32 AM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Blueflag

If things break down to a Mad Maxx type situation (and I dont think they will), we can predict what will happen based on real life. Take Somalia for example. Lone rangers don’t last long. Those in groups do OK, the better armed and organized groups either merge or kill each other. Warlords start to appear and they absorb/kill smaller groups. They want to grow to become more powerful than their enemy. If you want to survive you will be a member of one of the warlord’s militia. The warlord establishes the laws and enforces them. You either fight for, work for, or pay taxes to them. That’s how it always plays out. You can try to stay off the radar but that is very hard to do as the militia groups will be constantly scrounging for supplies. Once they find you it’s game over unless you join and the price of admission is everything you have.


58 posted on 11/21/2012 7:15:02 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Blueflag
Three day siege. some H&I fire to deprive you of sleep and peace. then ... Direct, smart, simultaneous assault from multiple directions at the right time, or multiple times. He doesn’t have the means to sustain a 24 X 7 X 360 degree multi-layered defense. there is no way he and his family of four (guessing) could keep ‘me’ and my band of marauders from taking ‘you and yours’ in three days/ 72 hours. he simply cannot control the order of battle or its tempo. I can. It is simple to war game this.

Don't overrate the enemy; that's as harmful as underestimating them. Just as car thieves could pop the lock on my car but instead simply walk on by and search for one that is unlocked and easier, I don't think there will be many organized bands of zombies staging a multi-day siege. If they get rebuffed from kicking in the door, they may try a real attack. If that leads to casualties, I expect them to simply leave. Remember, I don't have to defend my wife, my children, my food, and my home from you. I have to defend against someone lazy, untrained, and unskilled enough that he has chosen to be a predator. That is a MUCH easier task, especially if they know they can find an unarmed grandmother (or even easier, a liberal) to rob in the next neighborhood over.

59 posted on 11/21/2012 8:36:55 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer; Blueflag; JRandomFreeper

Mostly I am with you.

The direct attack with overwhelming force would in all likelyhood come from a starving band of military regulars, after a failure of supply lines. Other than that possibility, I see little chance that anybody is going to follow anyone that isn’t feeding them well. Groups just don’t hold together without solid logistics.

The roaming singles or pairs will fall to the quiet pip of a .22 short at short range.


60 posted on 11/21/2012 10:21:35 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PA Engineer

>> “FerFal has written about the strategy of the abandoned home.” <<

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I seem to remember him speaking of a “home” within another building, and with a circuitous and well hidden entrance.


61 posted on 11/21/2012 10:29:08 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Amateurs discuss tactics. Professionals discuss logistics. ;)

/johnny

62 posted on 11/21/2012 10:30:01 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: editor-surveyor
I seem to remember him speaking of a “home” within another building, and with a circuitous and well hidden entrance.

I think that was Selco. Ferfal was from Argentina and lived through an economic collapse. He had a much different take on making the home appear to be abandoned. When the home appears abandoned, looters will have no fear entering. His concern was individuals pretending to be utility workers or any other non-threatening person. These were the ones that would come to the home and murder families to get to the belongings.
63 posted on 11/21/2012 10:50:19 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

U R right, my bad.


64 posted on 11/21/2012 1:12:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Bon mots

>> “The final survivors will be the cannibals.” <<

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The final survivors will be God’s elect.


65 posted on 11/21/2012 1:14:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BobL; Blueflag

>> “and of course killing and burying everyone is not possible” <<

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That is what manholes are for.


66 posted on 11/21/2012 1:21:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You got it, FRiend!

We were raised right and will exist to the last like snappin’ turtles!


67 posted on 11/21/2012 7:26:25 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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