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Federal Workers to Congress: Leave Us Out of Deficit Deal
national journal ^ | November 20, 2012 | 6:21 p.m. | Eric Katz,

Posted on 11/20/2012 8:20:40 PM PST by BenLurkin

The Federal-Postal Coalition -- a group representing more than two dozen federal employee unions -- pleaded with Congress on Monday to spare their members in any deal related to the "fiscal cliff."

Federal workers, the coalition wrote in a letter, have contributed more than their fair share toward reducing the debt and are the only group that has been targeted so heavily.

“Federal and postal employees and their families are hardworking, middle-class Americans who are struggling during these tough times just like other Americans,” the group wrote. “No other group has been asked to financially contribute the way they have, and it is time our nation’s leaders found other ways to reduce the deficit than continually taking from those who have dedicated their lives to public service.”

According to the coalition, federal employees have funded $60 billion in budget savings in 2011 and 2012 as a result of their ongoing pay freeze and an additional $28 billion in savings will be derived from the freeze extension through March 2013.

Federal workers also contributed $15 billion toward the budget in 2011 when the contribution rate toward retirement pensions was raised to 2.3 percent for new employees.

Top Democratic lawmakers on committees related to the federal workforce told Government Executive last week that they would like to leave federal-employee benefits out of any potential debt deal. After President Obama’s reelection, top federal unions said they were confident their members would not be targeted in such a deal and a pay raise would be instituted.

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A pay raise?

A pay raise?

A PAY RAISE?

1 posted on 11/20/2012 8:20:47 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

This is the battle.

Fight this one, now. Government is too darn big, and too darn expensive.

Cut government.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 8:22:41 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: BenLurkin

“Don’t cut mine, don’t cut thine’s- cut that man behind the pine’s.”

To rephrase the old adage...


3 posted on 11/20/2012 8:25:39 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: BenLurkin

They don’t live on the same planet as the rest of us


4 posted on 11/20/2012 8:26:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BenLurkin

“Nobody in here but us chickens.”


5 posted on 11/20/2012 8:27:33 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BenLurkin

eliminate 2/3 of the departments most of which are unconstitutional and fire all of their employees!!!


6 posted on 11/20/2012 8:28:37 PM PST by dalereed
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To: BenLurkin

I just looked up the average salary for a mail carrier ... 48K plus, just to put advertisements in my mail box. Outrageous.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 8:29:24 PM PST by doc1019 (Islam, the religion of animals.)
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To: BenLurkin

“Don’t you dare tax me! Tax that guy over there!” Soon to replace “In God We Trust” on our currency.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 8:29:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty - Obama's bailout of Mexico. Barry sticks it to America again!)
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To: BenLurkin

TAXPAYERS to Congress: Leave Us Out of Deficit Deal

Fixed it...


9 posted on 11/20/2012 8:32:57 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Life is just a bowl of Low Information Voters.)
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To: mrsmith

The Federal Workers have had a three year pay freeze. It’s the first time in nearly twenty years that has happened. They were also asked to contribute more to their pensions. While their benefits are somewhat better that most, they don’t even approach what cops and fireman and other state workers make/get (at least in NY metro area). Under the Federal Employee Retire System (as amended in 1984) federal workers earn 1% a year toward their retirement. That means for ever year they work they get 1% when they turn 65. After working forty years they would get 40% pension. Law enforcement is slightly higher (1.7 % for first twenty then 1% thereafter. Mandatory retirement @ 57). With a law degree and 25 years experience as an FBI agent, you make significantly less than a first year law associate at a Manhattan Law Firm. I know it’s better than a lot of people, but it’s not what everybody thinks.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 8:33:38 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A gentle solution would be to roll all salaries and benefits back to 2001 levels, allow them the pleasure of joining us in Obamacare and nationalizing their pension to shore up Social Security since they’ll be relying solely upon that as well. Hiring freeze, zero tolerance. Reduction in force through attrition if no other means can be found.

A little taste of what the private sector has been going through for a decade or more would do them some good.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 8:34:13 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BenLurkin

This must be a joke.

But then again unions are exempt from 0-care, expmpt from the confiscation of union retirement plans, while forcing regular IRA’s and 401K’s to ‘invest’ in Treasury debt (per a pending Harry Reid bill), unions even get a piece of Gen Motors while the bondholders get royally scrood.

On second thought the joke may once again be on us.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 8:35:28 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: BenLurkin

Your right we should leave them out.

of the next budget. completely out of it.

you want a raise? I can’t even be civilized any more. Go F%#$ yourself and get out of damn wallet.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:21 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: BenLurkin

Your right we should leave them out.

of the next budget. completely out of it.

you want a raise? I can’t even be civilized any more. Go F%#$ yourself and get out of my damn wallet.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:42 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: oldernittany

“But highly educated federal workers earn less than their peers in the private sector.”

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/federal-pay-vs-private-sector-compensation/


15 posted on 11/20/2012 8:45:59 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: BenLurkin

Listen for all the talk about “budget cuts” that will be coming in this “Fiscal Cliff Deal”. There will be no “budget cuts”, who do they think we are, stupid or something? Sheesh.
Tax rates will go up, and so will federal spending, the deficit, the National Debt, and certainly unemployment, but the only things that will be coming down are real tax revenues, and the GDP.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 8:51:37 PM PST by Richard Axtell (Comming: The Abyss.)
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To: Richard Axtell

My heart is bleeding for the federal workers. At least they get a paycheck every pay period. Attrit, fire, and retire them and close out their posistions.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 8:56:28 PM PST by sitkaspruce
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To: BenLurkin

Wait until they find out they are going down like the ret of us.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 9:01:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Richard Axtell

I’d bet money (if I had any) that these “cuts” are nothing more than a reduction in growth.

Don’t for get a reduction from a 8% increase to 7.999999999999999 is not only a cut, but a draconian one at that.


19 posted on 11/20/2012 9:01:40 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: BenLurkin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Top Democratic lawmakers on committees related to the federal workforce told Government Executive last week that they would like to leave federal-employee benefits out of any potential debt deal. After President Obama’s reelection, top federal unions said they were confident their members would not be targeted in such a deal and a pay raise would be instituted. “

True story: My neighbor worked here as a federal employee for Medicare and he retired getting a buy out (they dont lay off there) in his early 50s. As part of it the gubment gave him retirement health care at that age early 50s which is similar benefits as Medicare we MAY get at 65 or 66. And he got it under under Bush.

Isn’t that great?

Medicare is running huge deficits NOW that neither party will admit and this guy gets it in his early 50s for working for Medicare/Fed job to GET RID OF HIM. And that is ‘off the table’.

20 posted on 11/20/2012 9:23:58 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: oldernittany
And the real savings is in cutting their numbers, not their pay.

Though most Americans have LOST income in ObamaHarry Reid's regnancy.

21 posted on 11/20/2012 9:25:02 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: BenLurkin

Pardon me why I get sick!


22 posted on 11/20/2012 9:49:28 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: sickoflibs

System was changed in 1987. I suspect your neighbor was hired before that. If so he was “grandfathered in”. Reagan significantly altered (read reduced) the pension system for Federal Workers. People hired after 1987 don’t get that kind of deal.

http://www.opm.gov/retire/pre/fers/computation.asp


23 posted on 11/20/2012 9:57:22 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: BenLurkin

“Federal and postal employees...struggling during these tough times just like other Americans,” the group wrote”

I’m all out of patience for liars so, f-off.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 10:17:25 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: oldernittany

But he did get a buy out at a young age. That wouldn’t effect his health care?


25 posted on 11/20/2012 10:17:30 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: sickoflibs

affect not effect silly.


26 posted on 11/20/2012 10:26:21 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: sickoflibs

Most federal government employees hired before January 1, 1984 are covered by the Civil Service Retirement System. Under this plan are eligible for Medicare when they reach the age of eligibility.

Eligibility would be 55 with 30 years of service. Not true for those hired after that.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 10:43:42 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: Psycho_Bunny

In the last three three years Federal Workers got zero raise and were required to contribute more to their retirement. In that time inflation was 3.16 % 2010, 1.64 % 2011 and will be around 2.5% 2012. That means Fed Employee real salary has decreased over 7%. They were also required to contribute more to their pensions (an additional 1.5%) so the real salary has gone down about 8.5%. Also, the Federal health benefits program is NOT exempted from Obama care. Like many of you the amount allowed in Health Savings account was significantly cut this year by Obama care. While I realize no one is crying for the federal worker it is true that they too are feeling the squeeze of this economy. White Collar Federal worker make a lot less than civilian employees:
“The data show that employees on average are more than 40 percent behind in San Francisco-San Jose, San Diego, Los Angeles and New York.”

http://www.washingtonpost.
com/politics/decision2012/pay-gap-widens-for-federal-workers-panel-says/2012/10/19/b47b2f6a-1a15-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story.html


28 posted on 11/20/2012 11:00:48 PM PST by oldernittany
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To: doc1019
I just looked up the average salary for a mail carrier ... 48K plus, just to put advertisements in my mail box. Outrageous.

Come on, that's not an outrageous salary. Seriously. No sacasm in my reply.

How far down do you want the middle class to go? God forbid someone should earn enough money to afford at least a modest home, put their kids through college, eat out at a restaurant without it being a luxury.

If there are any federal functions that actually provide me a service, it is the post office.

29 posted on 11/20/2012 11:39:00 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I agree, $48K is chump change. I imagine plotting a career as a full-time welfare recipient pays nearly the same. You get what you pay for.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 3:06:09 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: BenLurkin

This article is about gov workers in Greece, right?

A pay freeze, horrors! How about the private sector where some have learned to live on 40% less income since Bams took office, and the huge number of small business owners that haven’t taken a paycheck in the last 10 months.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 3:27:49 AM PST by wrench
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Let it burn. The only way out is to let it all crash.


32 posted on 11/21/2012 4:14:41 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Fight this one, now. Government is too darn big, and too darn expensive. Cut government.

We lost that battle.

Starve the beast. That's the new front.

33 posted on 11/21/2012 4:35:56 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: oldernittany

““The data show that employees on average are more than 40 percent behind in San Francisco-San Jose, San Diego, Los Angeles and New York.”

You are cherry-picking the data with this and the post re: postgrad educations,oldernittany. How about the Feds that work across every city and town in the country?

Sorry, I’m believing my “lyin’ eyes” in what I see from my friends, neighbors and relatives on the federal wagon.


34 posted on 11/21/2012 4:40:40 AM PST by Makana
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To: sitkaspruce
My heart is bleeding for the federal workers. At least they get a paycheck every pay period. Attrit, fire, and retire them and close out their posistions.

Need to punish them evil rich folks too because they have lots of money.

35 posted on 11/21/2012 4:45:34 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: BenLurkin
".......would not be targeted .......and would get a pay raise."

Yes, cut Social Security benefits and Medicare, those programs where non-governmental employees have actually contributed to their benefits -" no cuts to us just cut them!"

36 posted on 11/21/2012 6:08:13 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: oldernittany

Ya. Boo-hoo.

Of course they’re feeling the effects of the economy. The part of the quote that’s a lie is ‘just like’ which even you point out is not the case.

I used to tolerate little lies of qualification but the nation is dying and now is the time for everyone who loves freedom and their children’s future to put the hammer down on every single piece of BS they can.

Get serious or the United States is over.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 11:11:04 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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