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American Bulldog is stabbed 23 times by irate pet owner after it had a fight with another dog
Daily Mail ^ | 12 October 2012 | Emily Allen

Posted on 11/21/2012 6:50:00 AM PST by Cronos

Her dog had got in a fight with another dog in a walkway near her Hampstead home in north London.

The owner of the other dog Wayne Stearman, 41, left the scene and returned with two 10-inch knives before stabbing the bulldog.

One of the blows was so forceful that the knife bent in half in what one witness described as a ‘blood bath’.

Today, Mr Stearman said he knifed the dog because he was only trying to stop it killing his own terrier Monty.

Mr Stearman said: 'The dog’s a lunatic. I’d just stepped out my house and the dog went for him. It wasn’t on a lead. It locked its jaw on to Monty’s head. He’s only little and he’s a donut around other dogs.

'It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.

When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn't budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives. I'm not proud of what I've done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?

it tried to attack his dog three months earlier. 'I literally had to pick Monty up and throw him over the fence because this dog was going to go for him. He's attacked loads of dogs on this estate and he's even gone for a kid outside the Budgens up the road. I’m just glad it happened to me because it was only a matter of time before it killed a kid.

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I don't blame him -- I would have done the same. Note that this is a tough pitbull like breed.

Owners who want to have such a beast should always have it muzzled with a strong steel muzzle

1 posted on 11/21/2012 6:50:07 AM PST by Cronos
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To: All
also from the article Eleven-year-old Monty, who Mr Stearman has had since he was a puppy, suffered bite marks to his head, face, ear and chin and now flinches when anyone tried to touch him.

He’s going to be alright but it has affected him. I’m on anti depressants because I can’t stop thinking about it. I can’t sleep. It’s been an absolute nightmare,' Mr Stearman.

The waterways worker, of Belsize Park, north London, was arrested over the incident and held in a police cell for 22 hours but has since been released without charge.

2 posted on 11/21/2012 6:51:03 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Owners who want to have such a beast should always have it muzzled with a strong steel muzzle

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Neighbors who live near this beast should own a shotgun...
....and keep it loaded!

Just sayin'

3 posted on 11/21/2012 6:54:03 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Cronos

People who refuse to curb their dogs deserve exactly what the stupid woman got. a dead dog.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 6:58:19 AM PST by Gasshog
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5 posted on 11/21/2012 7:02:01 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cronos

SHould have stuck the knives in the idiot who owned the dog too.

I feel sorry for the two dogs and the owner with the terrier.

The owner of the Bulldog is a menace. Lots of people like that around my neighborhood with pit bulls and other aggressive types and they refuse to keep them on a lead. Also smaller dogs which run into the road and get hit by cars.

These people are such irresponsible jerks. And they can VOTE as WELL as HAVE CHILDREN.

Frightening.


7 posted on 11/21/2012 7:12:56 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Cronos

Mych as I love dogs, I cannot blame this man, I would have done the same, only my knives would not have bent, and bullets would have been involved.

As far as the human owner of this beast is concerned, I would like to think that I would have been able to control myself, but he deserves to be in jail for harboring a vicious animal, and he should be sued civilly.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 7:19:58 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ZULU

There are three large dogs in our neighborhood and I see them every day. All three interact with their owners and families in loving ways.

But two of the dogs act completely different when their owners aren’t around. One is defensive and frightened of anyone who comes near the fence, the other is flat-out hostile. I’m really afraid that a kid is going to lose their face one of these days.

I spoke with a mail-woman who told me that this was common. She was really frustrated because owners never see their dogs act like that when they’re around. “Oh, he’s friendly and loving! He’s a great dog!”

Then she comes by to drop off a package when they’re not home and she gets teeth, growls and hackles up.

I tell my daughter, keep ‘em well-fenced and well-loved, but don’t assume that the dog is behaving himself when they’re alone.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 7:21:21 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Cronos

Owners of breeds such as this, that are known to be aggressive and have the potential to do much harm, ought to be made to post a bond for their good behavior. No bond, no license. It wouldn’t prevent all incidents, but it would go a long way toward reducing them, and would have the salutary effect of discouraging irresponsible people from owning such breeds.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 7:24:24 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I think it's true of all breeds. Around where I live there are lots of German shepherds. Many are unruly and attack smaller dogs. But I know one that is exceptionally well trained and he will NOT attack another dog. Needless to say the owner keeps him on a leash all the time except when he is closely watching him

People who own dogs should know that this is a responsibility, not a toy.

11 posted on 11/21/2012 7:32:37 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I had my large, male Golden Retriever at the vet a couple of weeks ago. In came an ENORMOUS dog who was suffering from skin allergies. This monster was so big, I asked his owner if he were a cross between a Boxer and a Great Dane. The owner said no — that he was an “American Bulldog” and a smaller example. That does not square with the photos I’ve seen on line which depict an American Bulldog as a dog that is beefy, but somewhat shorter, though heavier, than my Golden.

It’s lucky that the dog was sick (and so was mine) because otherwise we might have had a confrontation right there in the waiting room.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 7:42:08 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Cronos

93lbs? That’s one big dog


13 posted on 11/21/2012 7:44:37 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth" - Voltaire)
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To: Cronos

Indeed, there are people who refuse to train their large breeds and people who refuse to train their small breeds.

I remember the neighbors used to have a toy dog (looked like a Yorkie mix, but I was never sure) which they permitted to do its business in our yard.

My dog loathed that dog, but had never been able to get to the toy dog in time to make its displeasure known.

One morning, I noticed my dog was suspiciously quiet. I found it outside, her jaws surrounding the offending neighbor’s dog neck, looking at me as if to say “oh, it SOOOO deserves this, please don’t make me drop it, please don’t make me drop it.”

Needless to say I made her drop it. The toy dog ran back over to its yard and lost all compulsion to relieve itself in our yard (in fact, I never saw it in our yard again).


14 posted on 11/21/2012 7:59:18 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Most likely it was a mixed breed of some sort; it may have had American bulldog in the mix, but American bulldogs should *not* be similar in size to a Great Dane.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 8:00:50 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: chris37
That was in England and you can't have a gun so he used knives. If a dog like that attacked my little Yorkie (5 pounds), I'd have enough adrenalin going to kill that dog with my hands.

True story: When my son was small, maybe 5, I was in the yard and saw him running down the street toward home and there was a big dog after him. I started running toward the dog and I really was going to kill it with my hands - there was no question I was going to do that. The dog saw me running toward him, turned around and took off. HE knew I was going to kill him.

I know that is what happened with this owner whose dog was going to die unless he did something fast. Something clicks in your head and you turn into a killer in an instant. I've been there and I was an instant killer with that dog after my child.

16 posted on 11/21/2012 8:01:27 AM PST by Marcella (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Cronos

” Note that this is a tough pitbull like breed.”

BS the American bulldog is nothing like a pit bull. About the only thing they have in common is that they are terriers


17 posted on 11/21/2012 8:53:05 AM PST by Figment
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To: Marcella

If a dog has to be killed with a knife, no sense bending knives trying to stab it in the heart. Just cut the jugular. Even a cat has enough sense to do that.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 8:56:29 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Cronos

“People who own dogs should know that this is a responsibility, not a toy.”

About the only rational response I’ve seen on this thread. The American bulldog is not a “pit bull” and not a typically vicious breed (think petey from the little rascals). Dogs are dogs and will tend to be territorial and fight at times. I love my mixed lab-terrier but he is an animal and does not have the capacity to be rational or moral.


19 posted on 11/21/2012 9:08:18 AM PST by Figment
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Not in London. The British have disarmed themselves and can go to prison for possessing a gun if they shoot a violent intruder.

The UK is a “target-rich environment.”


20 posted on 11/21/2012 9:40:43 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Figment
well, I disagree with your point about it not being typically vicious. disagree somewhat -- any breed can be vicious except for a few that I believe can hardly be trained to be vicious (like St. Bernards), but the American bulldogs are tough, big dogs -- if not trained, they can be even unintenionally vicious. And against little dogs, they need to be trained to not attack

it looks like this lady did not do anything in that respect

21 posted on 11/21/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Altariel

you have a well-trained dog! People don’t train their small breeds and tolerate stuff that wouldn’t be tolerated in big breeds — well, in one way it’s understandable — a nippy small breed can’t do as much damage as a nippy big breed.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 10:10:58 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Marcella

Ah England, yep no guns there.

The thing about killing a dog with your bare hands is...they are so fast, in a fight they can move and bite faster than you can see them. You will not know that you’ve been bitten until a couple seconds after it happens.

Their teeth cut flesh better than razors, and they are hot. I learned this the hard way.

What I further learned when I captured two loose pit bulls in my neighborhood is that those particular dogs, despite being small, are so ridiculously strong that I was just plain frightened. Even though I did capture them both and leash them into my yard, I was an idiot for doing so.

After I leasehed them, the male, which was a little bowling ball of a dog, bumped my right leg from behind which took me clean off my feet in an instant. Had those dogs attacked me then, that would have been all she wrote. Luckily, I had befriended the pregnant female prior to that, so neither dog took advantage of my fall.

I then turned them in to animal control where the owner later retreived them both.

My point though in relaying this to you is do not mistakenly underestimate a dog as an easy opponent in a fight, they are physically superior to humans, especially if they become vicious, and a pitbull is like wound steel with razors in its mouth.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 10:12:39 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If a dog has to be killed with a knife, no sense bending knives trying to stab it in the heart. Just cut the jugular.

What I thought. Stabbing less effective, have to repeat and get accused

I do think he was overkill though, a couple times maybe enough, 23, gosh, the poor animal
Considering the knives in my kitchen, slicing seems a more logical way to use them.

That said, I'd probably grab an axe instead. But I'd set it to "stun" - wouldn't want to be accused of overkill.

24 posted on 11/21/2012 10:55:22 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth" - Voltaire)
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To: chris37
“The thing about killing a dog with your bare hands is...they are so fast, in a fight they can move and bite faster than you can see them. You will not know that you’ve been bitten until a couple seconds after it happens.”

I completely agree with you, but I would have killed that dog chasing my kid, with my bare hands and that dog saw that transmitted from me when he saw he coming after him. That was completely instinctual on my part - I was killing that dog. I would have kicked him to hell to start with. Mothers will kill first and not even ask questions after. I weighted about 110 lbs. on a good day then. I'm not big now, about 124, but no dog is getting my little Yorkie who loves everybody.

I have a defensive bat behind my front door and that will crush a skull for sure. I can get to that fast, but if the dog already has my little dog in it's mouth, that dog is dead one way or another right now.

My dog is not allowed out front where there are cars, etc., she is only allowed in my small back garden and nothing can get to her there.

She is a great guard dog in that she runs to me and barks if she sees motion outside, but, since she loves everyone, if someone broke in the house and I was asleep, she would kiss him and only bark when he left because she would want him to stay.

25 posted on 11/21/2012 12:01:07 PM PST by Marcella (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Altariel
“people who refuse to train their small breeds.”

I've read on some dog pots here that little dogs tend to be yappy and biting. My Yorkie has never done that - she is calm and quiet unless we are playing. She only barks if she sees something move outside and comes to my chair to tell me. Then, the barking is over.

I can't say I trained her this way - she just is this way. I wonder if it's because I am calm and we live in this house by ourselves. I got her when she was 5 weeks old so I am the only master she has ever known.

One night she thought there was something outside in the back garden and I heard an aggressive bark come from her which was entirely different than anything I had heard from her before. That bark meant “get the hell out of here or I'll come get you”. I told her, “It's okay”, and she gave up that bark.

26 posted on 11/21/2012 12:22:20 PM PST by Marcella (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: ZULU

Can’t add much more to what you said.

Stupid git.


27 posted on 11/21/2012 12:32:34 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: Marcella
Because small dogs are ‘cute and harmless’ they're much more likely to be undisciplined by their owners.

We've all seen the horror show Chihuahuas and such that sit on their owners’ lap and try to bite anyone who comes near.

In a larger dog, this would be wholly unacceptable but because the dog is so ‘small and cute’, often, excuses are made, instead.

Statistically speaking, small dogs account for many more [usually unreported] bites than big dogs.

As with all dogs, the blame lies squarely with the owner.

I applaud anyone who understands that their 'small cute dog' is ~still~ a *dog* with lots of sharp teeth.

If the papers reported every kid who'd been 'snapped' by some little lap dog, we'd never have an end to these threads.

28 posted on 11/21/2012 12:43:09 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: Cronos

Re-posting from another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2956888/posts?page=10#10

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Ah! Fun with firearms and animals.
Guess what happened to my family and I on Monday?
Well, we got a dog Saturday. 3 year old black lab female. My Wife decided to take her for a walk with my young Sons down the block. I stayed home because I was cooking. When I looked out of my front window, I saw a friggin’ HUGH white dog running loose in my yard. Knowing how dogs are when one is unleashed, and never before seeing this dog, I called my Wife to warn her and ask how far from our house they all were.
They were two houses away.
I quickly grabbed my Springfield XDm .45 and headed out the door with it behind my back just in time to try yelling the dog away and for my family to quickly get indoors. The dog started nipping at our dog and tried jumping on my nine year old Son -scaring him to tears. The, “Owner,” ran over while still talking on her cellphone and grabbed this beast and led it away.
My Wife and I spent 30 minutes trying to calm both of our Sons down. They were scared sh!tless. My nine year old was in tears.

Fast forward three hours. Time to take our dog for potty.

I have my .45 behind my back, my Fenix 900 lumen flashlight, and my cell.
My Wife has our dog on her leash. They’re doing their thing, I’m keeping alert.
BOOM! Out of nowhere comes dogzilla!
It’s halfway across the street running at full speed.
My Wife whimpers and hides behind me.
Our dog is frozen.
I pull out my light and gun, blast the beast in the face with full daylight and scream, “STOP!!!”
It instantly stops three feet from my driveway and bolts home.
Then, I hear some guy calling out from the house across the street where that mutt was heading, “Sorry. We’re getting rid of him tomorrow.”

Gun and light in hand, I yell, “That’s TWICE!!”

I then called the local sheriff and tell them the whole story (just in case there’s any calls about some long-haired dude screaming in his driveway pointing a flashlight and pistol at an unseen beast), and tell them that it happened, and that there’s no need for an officer to come by.
Haven’t seen that dog since.
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I would NEVER want to shoot a dog. I LOVE animals.
If I had done that, it would have broken my heart.
But if it would have happened, it wouldn’t have been my fault.
That dog’s MORON owner letting it loose without a leash to roam free in the neighborhood would have been to blame.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 1:03:07 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: Salamander

“We’ve all seen the horror show Chihuahuas and such that sit on their owners’ lap and try to bite anyone who comes near.”

Oh, yes, I remember seeing little dogs like that on what’s his name TV show. Every time I thought the owner was crazy to allow that to happen. If Prissy, my Yorkie, did that, she would be in a heap of trouble. She is on my chair right now, curled up with closed eyes, but she has never demonstrated agression toward anyone who comes in the house. She is delighted when people come and she wants to play with them but has never nipped anyone. I simply would not allow such behavior.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 1:13:32 PM PST by Marcella (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Marie

Some overly protective dogs are exactly the reverse.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 1:44:39 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Marcella

I’m not even sure I would trust that bat.

Based on some of the vicious dogs that I have seen in action, I would not be surprised at all if I, being 6’4” and 250 lbs, took an aluminum bat an swung down on an attacking dog making direct contact with the skull and it not even phasing the dog.

I say this because I have heard of attacking pits being shot multiple times and not even noticing it.

When I walk my dog, I carry a 26” collapsable baton with a steel tip, but it isn’t for dogs, that is for people.

For dogs I carry large can of bear spray. But even then, it takes about 3 seconds once the spray lands on mucous membraes for the pain to set in, and that three seconds is enough time for a dog to bite the femoral artery along the inner thigh once, which will result in death.

A friendly dog is an angel, but be careful, ma’am honestly, and angry dog is a killing machine.


32 posted on 11/21/2012 2:11:50 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

“aluminum bat”

You don’t understand - this is a made to be “defensive” bat. An aluminum bat is a regular bat, nothing like a defensive bat. One hit with the bat crushes a skull or breaks a leg or arm. Look up “Cold Steel Brooklyn Smasher”, Amazon. When you pick it up, you can feel it is lethal. You don’t play ball with this bat.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 2:40:26 PM PST by Marcella (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Marcella

Ah, very nice, now that I can understand.

I do, however, remember seeing a story on animal planet I believe it was, about a post lady or perhaps a meter reader lady of some sort walking through an apartment complex doing her job at which point a pitbull launched itself from a second floor balcony to attack her.

The impact of the falling dog dazed her, and while she was down, the dog procceded to eat her face off in a ferocious attack. A neighbor heard this, phoned police, and when the policeman arrived, his first response was to attack the dog with his impact weapon not wanting to shoot as the dog remained close to the woman.

He stated that the dog ignored multiple blows with the baton and continued to maim the woman. He then shot it once in the body which did not kill it, but caused it to leave the victim.

Still though, nice bat ^^


34 posted on 11/21/2012 3:38:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Marcella
Adrenalin is a wonderful thing and I think dogs can smell it and know when to leave. When hubby brought home a dog, at about 3 weeks in the house he and I tangled...he leaped at me with teeth showing and growling....I remember to this day I quietly said to that dog...I'm going to kill you you son of a bitch and he took off running down the hall to the back bedroom, the pot I threw at him bounced off the wall and hit him in the butt....the scary part was I knew I had to go under the bed to drag that dog out, he was shaking like a leaf and didn't attach from under the bed. I threw him out in the back yard holding his tail and collar. He missed the patio and landed on the grass and took off running to behind the garage.....Yep, when you get an Adrenalin rush you could kill a dog with your bare hands. But a gun is needed if they are over 90pounds....
35 posted on 11/21/2012 3:56:30 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Cronos

It is not a “pitbull like breed.” Pitbulls are terriers, bulldogs are not.

Your logic seems to be - aggressive dog = pit bull like, or there is a “bull” in its name.


36 posted on 11/21/2012 5:04:41 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: Figment

Bulldogs are NOT terriers


37 posted on 11/21/2012 5:07:44 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: dervish

Might want to check your source on that


38 posted on 11/21/2012 5:11:54 PM PST by Figment
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To: Altariel

“American bulldogs should *not* be similar in size to a Great Dane.”

Oh come on, Alt, you know how every “bad” breed somehow mutates into gigantic.

At least, every person who’s had 1 but otherwise knows little of dogs has had a 150 lb German Shepherd, 180 lb Pit Bull, and 160 lb Boxer.

I worked with an old man (loved the guy) who always claimed his Collie was 110 lbs. I’m thinking “yeah, right”. Or overstuffed.

After all, my MIL’s brother DID have a 100 lb English Springer - twice the weight he should be. They had a pantry full of only dog treats and were constantly feeding this greedy dog who was clearly roundly fat. He was mistaken by someone in a park for a St. Bernard he was so fat, which made Tucker’s owner mad.


39 posted on 11/21/2012 5:19:57 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Figment

UKC registers them. AKC does not recognize them.

They are in the Guardian Group.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/WebPages/Library/BreedStandards

Pitbulls are in the Terrier Group.


40 posted on 11/21/2012 5:22:44 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: dervish
Pitbulls are terriers

They are a bull/terrier mix

41 posted on 11/21/2012 5:46:50 PM PST by kanawa
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“A dog (Olde English Bulldog) that looked much like today’s pit bull was originally used in the 1800’s in the British Isles to ‘bait’ bulls. These matches were held for the entertainment of the struggling classes; a source of relief from the tedium of hardship. In 1835 bull baiting was deemed inhumane and became illegal, and dog fighting became a popular replacement. Soon, a new bulldog was created by crossing the Olde English Bulldog with terriers to create smaller, more agile dogs.”

http://www.badrap.org/breed-history

Many, many other sources of information available.


42 posted on 11/21/2012 5:55:40 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Cronos
What was he supposed to do, wait until it killed his dog?

I notice the stabbed dog had a collar on it.

I've seen a 60 year old woman knock out one of a pair of fighting dogs
by merely twisting its collar, cutting off its air supply.
The dog went limp and the other dog immediately stopped attacking.

Unfortunately they don't teach this in school.

43 posted on 11/21/2012 6:30:58 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Altariel

I have a Yorkie story too.

Last year I took my dogs, one large (Sam), the other small (Gizmo),
on a river canoe trip to a camping area accessible only by water.

There were people there when I arrived
and before I got out of the canoe I asked if there were other dogs around.

I was told there were so I had my dogs on leash when I got on shore.

There were a couple of larger dogs around but everything was fine.
I headed to a secluded area to camp (away from the noisy drinkers)
and as I passed a tent I could hear the yapping of a little dog.

Had a great night with my boys and in the morning headed with them, on leash, to check the canoe.
As we turned a bend leading to the main camping area up ahead I could see a group of women
the next thing I knew an off-leash Yorkie belong to one of them tore off down the path,
making a beeline towards my guys while snarling and barking. He was out for blood. lol
The owner was chasing the yorkie, calling her dog to stop. She knew what her dog was going to do.
I held Sam’s leash short while allowing Gizmo to get ahead a bit.
My idea was that if the dog was going to attack it was better it attack Gizmo than Sam.
I figured the owner would catch up before too much damage was done
and I sure as heck didn’t want her dog going after Sam.
Sure enough her dog launched right into Gizmo.
When a pair of dogs fight, any other dogs in vicinity have instinctive reaction to become involved.
Usually backing one dog or the other. So Sam became agitated as well.
While I was concentrating on Gizmo and the devil dog, Sam backed out of his collar.
What happened next was so quick I couldn’t prevent it....
Sam grabbed hold of the Yorkie..wasn’t a whole lot of it remaining outside his mouth... and gave it a small shake.
At that point the women started screaming hysterically, the owner caught hold of her dog,
I straddled Sam’s back holding him to the ground and worked to open his mouth.
I was afraid he had already killed the Yorkie (it was no longer barking)
but in case it was still alive I was frantic to prevent further damage.
Even though her dog was off leash and was the aggressor,
Sam could face the death penalty for his actions.
My heart was sunken very low. I had little hope of a good outcome.
After what seemed like a long time but was likely quite short
I was able to open his mouth and she snatched up her dog.
While I was putting his collar back on
I listened for the bad news as they examined the little dog ...

but...

there wasn’t scratch on him!!!!

Sam had just held him in his mouth!, as grown dogs will do with unruly puppies.
The woman apologized profusely for not controlling her dog.
I was so happy about the outcome that I told her all’s well that ends well.
Over the course of that day [and many times since] I praised Sam for his restraint.

Later I walked the boys passed the lady, who was wisely holding her dog in her arms this time.
When the little bugger started to growl at the boys,
the lady told the dog to stop and asked if it hadn’t learnt a lesson from the morning.

Some other campers told me that the Yorkie had been nasty and aggressive towards them.
I’m thinking the owner had spoilt the dog..too much ‘snookums’ treatment.


44 posted on 11/21/2012 7:53:31 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Gasshog
People who refuse to curb their dogs deserve exactly what the stupid woman got. a dead dog.

You have to try harder to get any argument.

45 posted on 11/21/2012 10:16:16 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (That Queer Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Marcella

most people (me included) wouldn’t know or remember that. I’d probably do what this guy did — just flail wildly with the knife to get the other dog to let go


46 posted on 11/21/2012 11:47:40 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Marcella
She is a great guard dog in that she runs to me and barks if she sees motion outside, but, since she loves everyone, if someone broke in the house and I was asleep, she would kiss him and only bark when he left because she would want him to stay.

Tell me about it -- I've got an 18 month old mixed breed dog who loves every person and every dog. She's 20 kg of muscle but has a cute face and though the vet thinks she's got some American Stafforshire Terrier, some boxer and some Bavarian mountain hound, her character is "ooh, I wuw you"

We got locked out of our apartment once (lock broke) this summer and she was on the balcony. We got a locksmith to climb into the balcony to get in and open the door. He was worried when he saw the dog,but she just went up and licked him and said "hello" :0 -- great guard dog!

47 posted on 11/22/2012 12:15:35 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Marcella
little dogs tend to be yappy and biting.

they do because many owners thing it is cute and they tolerate things in a small dog that won't be tolerated in a big dog

I can't say I trained her this way - she just is this way. I wonder if it's because I am calm and we live in this house by ourselves -- the nature of the owner plays a big role imho.

48 posted on 11/22/2012 12:41:05 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: kanawa; Salamander
woah, I didn't know that -- thanks! I heard that what you should do if a dog has grabbed on to another dog (like a pitbull grabs on to another dog and won't let go) is to grab its hind legs and lift up

I don't have any real experience doing that or seeing it, however

49 posted on 11/22/2012 1:05:17 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: kanawa
that's a good dog! What breed is Sam?

My dog has had Yorkies and Chihuahua's go after her yapping, but she just looks at them quizzically like "Are you really a dog? And are you serious? you're 5 lbs and I'm 44, are you really serious??"

50 posted on 11/22/2012 1:09:14 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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