American Bulldog is stabbed 23 times by irate pet owner after it had a fight with another dog

Daily Mail ^ | 12 October 2012 | Emily Allen

[Cronos]

Her dog had got in a fight with another dog in a walkway near her Hampstead home in north London.

The owner of the other dog Wayne Stearman, 41, left the scene and returned with two 10-inch knives before stabbing the bulldog.

One of the blows was so forceful that the knife bent in half in what one witness described as a ‘blood bath’.

Today, Mr Stearman said he knifed the dog because he was only trying to stop it killing his own terrier Monty.

Mr Stearman said: 'The dog’s a lunatic. I’d just stepped out my house and the dog went for him. It wasn’t on a lead. It locked its jaw on to Monty’s head. He’s only little and he’s a donut around other dogs.

'It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.

When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn't budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives. I'm not proud of what I've done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?

it tried to attack his dog three months earlier. 'I literally had to pick Monty up and throw him over the fence because this dog was going to go for him. He's attacked loads of dogs on this estate and he's even gone for a kid outside the Budgens up the road. I’m just glad it happened to me because it was only a matter of time before it killed a kid.

[kanawa]

Pitbulls are terriers

They are a bull/terrier mix

[kanawa]

“A dog (Olde English Bulldog) that looked much like today’s pit bull was originally used in the 1800’s in the British Isles to ‘bait’ bulls. These matches were held for the entertainment of the struggling classes; a source of relief from the tedium of hardship. In 1835 bull baiting was deemed inhumane and became illegal, and dog fighting became a popular replacement. Soon, a new bulldog was created by crossing the Olde English Bulldog with terriers to create smaller, more agile dogs.”

http://www.badrap.org/breed-history

Many, many other sources of information available.

[kanawa]

What was he supposed to do, wait until it killed his dog?

I notice the stabbed dog had a collar on it.

I've seen a 60 year old woman knock out one of a pair of fighting dogs
by merely twisting its collar, cutting off its air supply.
The dog went limp and the other dog immediately stopped attacking.

Unfortunately they don't teach this in school.

[kanawa]

I have a Yorkie story too.

Last year I took my dogs, one large (Sam), the other small (Gizmo),
on a river canoe trip to a camping area accessible only by water.

There were people there when I arrived
and before I got out of the canoe I asked if there were other dogs around.

I was told there were so I had my dogs on leash when I got on shore.

There were a couple of larger dogs around but everything was fine.
I headed to a secluded area to camp (away from the noisy drinkers)
and as I passed a tent I could hear the yapping of a little dog.

Had a great night with my boys and in the morning headed with them, on leash, to check the canoe.
As we turned a bend leading to the main camping area up ahead I could see a group of women
the next thing I knew an off-leash Yorkie belong to one of them tore off down the path,
making a beeline towards my guys while snarling and barking. He was out for blood. lol
The owner was chasing the yorkie, calling her dog to stop. She knew what her dog was going to do.
I held Sam’s leash short while allowing Gizmo to get ahead a bit.
My idea was that if the dog was going to attack it was better it attack Gizmo than Sam.
I figured the owner would catch up before too much damage was done
and I sure as heck didn’t want her dog going after Sam.
Sure enough her dog launched right into Gizmo.
When a pair of dogs fight, any other dogs in vicinity have instinctive reaction to become involved.
Usually backing one dog or the other. So Sam became agitated as well.
While I was concentrating on Gizmo and the devil dog, Sam backed out of his collar.
What happened next was so quick I couldn’t prevent it....
Sam grabbed hold of the Yorkie..wasn’t a whole lot of it remaining outside his mouth... and gave it a small shake.
At that point the women started screaming hysterically, the owner caught hold of her dog,
I straddled Sam’s back holding him to the ground and worked to open his mouth.
I was afraid he had already killed the Yorkie (it was no longer barking)
but in case it was still alive I was frantic to prevent further damage.
Even though her dog was off leash and was the aggressor,
Sam could face the death penalty for his actions.
My heart was sunken very low. I had little hope of a good outcome.
After what seemed like a long time but was likely quite short
I was able to open his mouth and she snatched up her dog.
While I was putting his collar back on
I listened for the bad news as they examined the little dog ...

but...

there wasn’t scratch on him!!!!

Sam had just held him in his mouth!, as grown dogs will do with unruly puppies.
The woman apologized profusely for not controlling her dog.
I was so happy about the outcome that I told her all’s well that ends well.
Over the course of that day [and many times since] I praised Sam for his restraint.

Later I walked the boys passed the lady, who was wisely holding her dog in her arms this time.
When the little bugger started to growl at the boys,
the lady told the dog to stop and asked if it hadn’t learnt a lesson from the morning.

Some other campers told me that the Yorkie had been nasty and aggressive towards them.
I’m thinking the owner had spoilt the dog..too much ‘snookums’ treatment.

[S.O.S121.500]

People who refuse to curb their dogs deserve exactly what the stupid woman got. a dead dog.

‘

You have to try harder to get any argument.

[Cronos]

most people (me included) wouldn’t know or remember that. I’d probably do what this guy did — just flail wildly with the knife to get the other dog to let go

[Cronos]

She is a great guard dog in that she runs to me and barks if she sees motion outside, but, since she loves everyone, if someone broke in the house and I was asleep, she would kiss him and only bark when he left because she would want him to stay.

Tell me about it -- I've got an 18 month old mixed breed dog who loves every person and every dog. She's 20 kg of muscle but has a cute face and though the vet thinks she's got some American Stafforshire Terrier, some boxer and some Bavarian mountain hound, her character is "ooh, I wuw you"

We got locked out of our apartment once (lock broke) this summer and she was on the balcony. We got a locksmith to climb into the balcony to get in and open the door. He was worried when he saw the dog,but she just went up and licked him and said "hello" :0 -- great guard dog!

[Cronos]

little dogs tend to be yappy and biting.

they do because many owners thing it is cute and they tolerate things in a small dog that won't be tolerated in a big dog

I can't say I trained her this way - she just is this way. I wonder if it's because I am calm and we live in this house by ourselves -- the nature of the owner plays a big role imho.

[Cronos]

woah, I didn't know that -- thanks! I heard that what you should do if a dog has grabbed on to another dog (like a pitbull grabs on to another dog and won't let go) is to grab its hind legs and lift up

I don't have any real experience doing that or seeing it, however

[Cronos]

that's a good dog! What breed is Sam?

My dog has had Yorkies and Chihuahua's go after her yapping, but she just looks at them quizzically like "Are you really a dog? And are you serious? you're 5 lbs and I'm 44, are you really serious??"

[Salamander]

The most effective way to stop an attacking dog is counterintuitive to everything you would consider.

You have to stay calm as it approaches you and then ram your straight-armed, closed fist into its mouth, all the way back to its throat when it opens its mouth to bite you.

Odds are you’ll hurt it very badly or possibly kill it.
[windpipe damage]

Most folks don’t have that kind of nerve, though.

The collar twist works if the collar isn’t too loose or too wide and flat to twist.
[one of the reasons guard/fighting dogs wear the wide spiked collars]

The hind leg grab only works if one dog *wants* the fight to end.

If two dogs are fighting each other and you’re alone, grab a rope or leash and loop it around one dog’s waist and tie off the rope to something like a fence or tree and then rear-lift the other dog.

I know the fist in the throat thing sounds horrible but with Dobermanns, they way they attack, you don’t really get a chance to get hold of them very easily.

They ‘bite and bob’, meaning they’ll rush in and bite, jump away and come in again, repeatedly, until their target falls down.
[They have to “recondition” Dobes to ‘grab and hold’ in Schutzhund because it’s not their ‘natural style’]

If you’re going to train them for defense, you have to know how to save your own bacon if something goes wrong.

Thankfully, it never has for me.

[Cronos]

no, was just thinking of saving my dog.

She's a friendly sort and doesn't even growl. Problem is that's she's got a friendly disposition and hasn't had any bad encounters except one (more later) and so she thinks every dog likes to say hello

3 months ago my wife was walking her (off the leash) in a park and a lady was walking an amstaff on a leash. Normally I don't let my dog go to strange dogs without asking the owner first, but my wife believed in "free hellos" :) -- and our dog went up to the other one, wagging her tail. The amstaff grabbed her by the nose and my wife was screaming.

Luckily the amstaff then let go, but my dog was bleeding and ran to the wife, "crying" (she doesn't seem to know how to attack -- my dog I mean :)

My wife berated the owner, but it seems that the lady wasn't the owner, just walking her boyfriend's mother's dog. And quite frankly my wife (and I later) saw it as our fault as our dog went up to say hello

We told the owner later that luckily there wasn't permnanet damage, just some minor scars (luckily) and my dog's disposition is still friendly, but we emphasised that the owner should muzzle the dog -- I mean, what if a kid goes up to pet the dog, a toddler?

The dog wasn't vicious, but it's better to muzzle a dog on a city walk if you know the dog has a tendency...

[Salamander]

A lot of these dog stories would never exist if owners simply used a little common sense.

Odin does not like other dogs getting near me after we had a mishap with a guy and his insane Golden who jumped over hubby and nearly onto my lap at the vet’s office.

He has not forgotten what he perceived to be an ‘attack’ upon me and probably never will.
[in less than 20 seconds, he went from generally ignoring other dogs to being constantly hyper-vigilant of them. I hate that Golden’s idiot owner]

When people come rushing up to us, I inform them of that fact.

I do not allow Odin near other dogs in public and politely request that others do the same.

[but usually people yank their dogs away in a hurry when they see him anyway...even Pit owners]

I’m glad your girl suffered no terrible damage.

She sounds a lot like my Portuguese Podengo Medio, Gypsy.

She’s never seen a dog or person she didn’t instantly love so I have to be very careful around larger dogs with her.

Some dogs are put off by her over-exuberant displays of affection.

So, rather than have to jump into the middle of a dog fight to save her, I keep her held far enough back until I have the chance to accurately assess the other dog’s body language.
[and the owner’s intellect] ;]

[HiTech RedNeck]

The fist-arm would only work for a sufficiently large dog. Smaller ones, it would not fit. A broom stick instead?

[Salamander]

Smaller ones, you just punt.

:)

Seriously though, you can still fit a couple fingers in there.

The effect is the same.

Even the most enraged dog has a strong gag reflex and is extremely averse to strangling on a foreign object.

There’s a psychological component to that, as well.

The dog does not expect its victim to counter attack.

If you don’t freak out and flinch or retreat, it totally screws up their mind.

[how sad is it that we must even speak of such brutal things?]

[HiTech RedNeck]

The dog does not expect its victim to counter attack.

Unless you are a dog too

[HiTech RedNeck]

[how sad is it that we must even speak of such brutal things?]

It's a fallen universe. Nobody worried about this in Eden.

[dervish]

Once you stick your hand in proximity to the dogs’ head, you will likely be bitten.

The best way to separate them is by pulling the dog by the tail so you don’t get bitten. But if the dog won’t release its grip that won’t help. That’s why they sell “breaking sticks” an implement that is inserted in the dogs mouth to open the teeth.

[Salamander]

"The best way to separate them is by pulling the dog by the tail so you don’t get bitten"

Or not...:)

[Salamander]

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