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Pizza Industry Hopes to Head Off New ObamaCare Regulation that May Force Price Hikes and Layoffs
Pajamas Media ^ | 11/21/2012 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 11/21/2012 11:51:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Posted By Bryan Preston On November 20, 2012 @ 9:35 am In Culture,Economy,News,Politics | 37 Comments

When Rep. Nancy Pelosi infamously declared that we have to pass ObamaCare in order to find out wha's in it, she wasn't kidding. Buried in the mammoth 2700-page law that most in Congress did not bother to read before passing is Section 4205. That section requires any pizzeria, grocery store, or convenience store with more than 20 locations to post calorie information in their stores on menu boards. The way the law is written, it requires the national pizza chains to post fixed information on a whole lot of varieties of pizza. Pizza shops and chains with fewer than 20 outlets would be exempted.

"There are 34 million ways to make a pizza, we've done the math," American Pizza Community spokeswoman Jenny Fouracre-Petko told me in an interview. “There just is no way to put that on a menu board.”

She added that menu boards would help virtually no customers at, say, Domino’s Pizza make any kind of informed nutritional decision. “Normally, with carry out restaurants, you’re not standing in front a menu board. You’re ordering over the phone, or online, so an online solution is a much more technologically savvy way to provide the information than an extensive menu board that no one sees. Also, the information on a menu board may not be accurate because of the way pizzas are made. The information may not be accurate if a 16-year-old kid decides to toss on an extra handful of cheese. We don’t want a class action lawsuit over something like that.”

Indeed. Speaking for myself, I haven’t stood inside a Domino’s or any other chain carry-out pizza place in at least a decade. Online ordering is the usual method. Online nutritional tools and information would seem the way to go. The fear of lawyers lawyering a handful of cheese or sausage is not unreasonable. In the ObamaCare future, the pizza industry might need its own version of tort reform to bring costs down, if Section 4205 is not stopped. But the FDA is not even disclosing when it will issue its final rule.

The American Pizza Community has tried working with the Food and Drug Administration to fix the expensive regulation, which is set to go into full effect at some point by the end of 2012. But the FDA has not been cooperative, and has not acted on the industry’s input. Fouracre-Petko says that the FDA is missing an opportunity to work with an industry that wants to provide information to consumers, just in a way that the consumers can actually use, and which will be easier for the agency to monitor for compliance.

“We really feel strongly that we want to provide nutrition information, and we know how to provide it to our customers in a way that makes sense,” she said. “It’s frustrating to see the FDA continue down the path of government overreach. There’s things about this law with the FDA that we know aren’t going to work out. For instance, checking thousands of stores all around the country. The online solution is going to be easier for compliance alone.” The FDA would need an army of compliance officers, similar to the 16,000 agents hired by the IRS to look after ObamaCare’s new mandate, just to check the menu boards in thousands of stores.

A more sensible approach would also be easier on the brains of consumers. As it is currently written, Section 4205 requires the nutritional content of pizzas to be calculated for a whole pie. Almost no one eats a whole pie, though: We eat one or more of the eight slices of a typical pie. So to figure out how many calories you’re consuming, you would have to take the number on the FDA’s menu board, then divide by eight, then multiply by whatever number of slices you intend to eat. If you have a teenager in the house, good luck getting an accurate guess on that.

There are an estimated 70,000 pizzerias in the United States, when you take into account sit-down restaurants and carry out chains like Domino’s, Papa John’s, and the rest. Fouracre-Petko pointed out that Domino’s Pizza already has an online Cal-0-Meter that customers can use to determine the nutritional value of their pies. Papa John’s also posts nutritional information online. Pizza Hut posts nutritional information online as well. An online tool is easy for the FDA to check, and cheap for the restaurant chains to maintain. More importantly, it’s where customers would actually tend to get the information they need. The regulation as written will cost each store about $4,700 per year. Do the math, and you arrive at a grand total of $329,000,000, making Section 4205 the third most expensive regulation passed by the government in 2010. The Office of Management and Budget has officially rated it as such.

“Pizza profit margins vary a lot but generally it’s a good business. Our franchisees have pizza sauce in their veins. You’re employing a lot of young people in their first jobs. It’s a source of pride and you’ve created a job for yourself,” Fouracre-Petko said.

The pizza industry is not a high profit margin industry and cannot afford to just give away vast millions of dollars to fulfill a mostly useless regulation without some pain. Some chains and franchisees will end up raising prices, laying workers off, or shutting down. Papa John’s founder and CEO John Schnatter has warned that ObamaCare will hurt his industry, only to earn accusations of “whining” from the likes of Matthew Yglesias, who has never himself run a business, and a leftist boycott.

The pizza community isn’t just pounding their fists into dough. They have tossed up a bipartisan solution, the Common Sense Nutrition Disclosure Act. Its sponsors in the House include Reps. John Carter and Henry Cuellar of Texas, a Republican and a Democrat. In the Senate, Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt is its champion. The law would undo Section 4205 of ObamaCare and require the pizza chains to post relevant nutritional information online. In the House it has more than 40 co-sponsors including several Democrats, while in the Senate the number is 11 and growing. The pizza industry hopes to get the Common Sense law passed in time to head off the FDA and Section 4205, but the fiscal cliff dominates discussions in DC today.

“We’re not asking to change the sun and moon and stars, we’re just asking for some common sense in the regulations.”



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: inflation; layoffs; obamacare; pizza

1 posted on 11/21/2012 11:51:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

More stupid government tricks


2 posted on 11/21/2012 11:56:08 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget the fiscal cliff, we are headed for the OBAMACARE CLIFF.
If we pull back from the OBAMACARE CLIFF the fiscal cliff would take care of itself.


3 posted on 11/21/2012 11:57:47 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: GeronL

More STUPID government drones. From plain cheese to 2-way, 3-way and/or 4 topping pizzas to those ordered 1/2 and 1/2 to satisfy 2 people there are truly millions of potential combinations in addition to large and small.
How many pizza shops are there in the USA that are physically large enough to put up signs listing the caloric content of each possibility.
I wonder if a football stadium scoreboard would be capable.
The work of bureaucrats with lots of degrees, but a total lacking of common sense.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 12:07:51 PM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: SeekAndFind

California is COVERED in Prop 65 signs on every office building, commercial building, factory, warehouse and retail store warning you of the horrible cancer dangers lurking within.

Do you suppose all this government intrusion has saved a single life or prevented a single case of cancer? Of course not.

Try to buy a ladder these days. The government warning stickers cover up every square inch of the ladder. Have the stickers prevented a single ladder accident? Of course not.

Maybe half of radio commercials have some ultra-fast talking guy at the end reading all the fine print of the contract for services. Has this prevented a single case of consumer fraud or helped a single consumer in any fashion? Of course not, but we are still deluged with this fast-talking garbage.

Will all this pizza calorie information prevent a single person from overindulging and putting on a pound or two? Of course not.

Our ultra-nanny state knows no bounds and chisels away daily at our freedoms.


5 posted on 11/21/2012 12:08:03 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Not even the big video board at Cowboys Stadium would work


6 posted on 11/21/2012 12:11:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh Lord. This Pizza shop is complaining for nothing. McDonald’s put their calories on the menu too and they have a between amount. For example, the Big Mac is between 400-700 calories. Your telling me a pizza shop can’t do that???? Seriously????


7 posted on 11/21/2012 12:12:39 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The a$$whole$ in congress have never owned a business, but they want to. They would like all business in the hands of the government.

Communist manifesto: the means of production are in the hands of the collectivity.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 12:16:05 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: napscoordinator

I’ve not read what the exact guideline is but maybe they can just list all possible ingredients somewhere and what the calories are per ingredient. What is that, 20 lines or so? I like what McDs did also, giving the range.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 12:31:08 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can we not sue her for incompetence? Stupidity? Something - anything! I truly detest that bugeyed creature.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 1:03:28 PM PST by momf (Gun, mind, power shouldn't be followed by "control"!)
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To: napscoordinator

They are complaining because the government is mandating that do something asinine. They want boards in their stores that will cost money and will have to be changed when their menus change.

They are asking to put it online where people will actually see it. Not many people walk into a pizza shop like Domino’s or Papa John’s to order their pizza. They order online or over the phone.


11 posted on 11/21/2012 1:05:54 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: napscoordinator
Your telling me a pizza shop can’t do that???? Seriously????

Does the McDonalds list the calorie content of each topping in the Big Mac? The squeeze of special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickle, onion? A typical Pizza Hut has standard toppings including extra cheese, mushrooms, green peppers, black olive, canadian bacon, ham, meatballs, pork, beef, pepperoni, Italian sausage? Oh, and the specialty pizzas (Supreme, Super Supreme) have different proportions of toppings than getting them a la carte. Oh, and they come in at least two or three different sizes. When said chain comes up with a new pizza crust (Big New Yorker, Stuffed Crust), now the menu board has to be doubled.

Unwieldy to say the least. Will anyone want to read such a mess?
12 posted on 11/21/2012 2:14:11 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So what happens if they simply do not do it? Who would know? Who’s going to arrest them? Or will they have to pay a fine (tax/fine, whatever!) to the IRS? I think they should just ignore it then see what happens.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 2:30:53 PM PST by clashfan (know your rights)
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To: SeekAndFind
"There are 34 million ways to make a pizza, we've done the math," American Pizza Community spokeswoman Jenny Fouracre-Petko told me in an interview. “There just is no way to put that on a menu board.”

Sure there is. The auto industry did it with "your mileage may vary."

14 posted on 11/21/2012 2:43:57 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: SeekAndFind
My guess is that a lot of the clueless who voted for this other clueless eat a lot of pizza.

They need to feel it.

15 posted on 11/21/2012 4:18:12 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: CMailBag
If we pull back from the OBAMACARE CLIFF the fiscal cliff would take care of itself.

Yes! My main beef with this article is that it attempts to compromise with the regulation rather than fight it.

Once upon a time, those of us worried about calorie consumption [calorie-counting is fast becoming obsolete -- it's what you eat, not how much] would have consulted a book or, these days, an app which would give you a good estimate.

No government spending required, no extra costs for business and [here's the good part] profit(?!) for the authors of the calorie-counting books and apps. Win-win-win turned into lose-lose-lose.

16 posted on 11/21/2012 5:11:59 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


17 posted on 11/21/2012 5:35:50 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: GeronL

Americans re-elected Obama and we got stuck with this stupid crap/

Once we had a chance to get rid of Obamacare. now wehave to live with it.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 7:20:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do we need an FDA?


19 posted on 11/23/2012 3:31:41 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: napscoordinator

There’s no “have it your way” at Mickey D’s. They make a standardized product.

Pizza is made to order and has (according to the article) mega permutations.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 3:44:02 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: napscoordinator
That section requires any pizzeria, grocery store, or convenience store with more than 20 locations to post calorie information in their stores on menu boards.

According to this story, the regulation covers pizzerias, grocery stores, and convenience stores, which McDonalds is not.

I'm guessing that this was meant to cover the prepared food sections of grocery stores (deli sandwiches, rotisserie chicken, salads, etc.) as well as the hot food (hot dogs, etc.) in 7-11's and the like.

Some of that stuff is seasonal, or with variable portions that are made-to-order.

Much different menu than a McDonalds.

-PJ

21 posted on 11/23/2012 4:02:47 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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