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That dog may cost you $100,000 a day (san diego, CA regulators gone wild)
http://www.nctimes.com ^ | november 12, 2012

Posted on 11/21/2012 3:00:35 PM PST by lowbridge

California’s latest experiment in faith-based policymaking is being unleashed today on the San Diego public, as regional water-quality officials begin hearings on new regulations that seem crafted to turn most owners of a car, house or dog into criminals within a decade or so. We wish we were exaggerating.

Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk.

Cities throughout San Diego, south Orange and southwest Riverside counties must enforce the law, and set up 24-hour hot lines for people to report violations by their neighbors.

The new regulations even apply to firefighters, who would be forced to somehow capture and scrub the water running down the street from fire hoses and burning buildings, although the bureaucrats promise wiggle room for “emergency situations.” We’re at a loss to imagine the fire that doesn’t present an emergency situation, but we’re sure California’s army of environmental lawyers will be glad to help cities figure that out in court.

The preposterous rules come from the earnest regulators at the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board, which is supposed to stop pollution of our waterways and beaches.

(Excerpt) Read more at nctimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 11/21/2012 3:00:41 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Nothing new for California communists controlled government.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 3:03:36 PM PST by Logical me
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To: lowbridge

Unless you’re here illegally....in which case they’ll pay you


3 posted on 11/21/2012 3:04:02 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: lowbridge

Kalipornia is simply insane.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 3:04:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lowbridge
I would be interested to know if these earnest regulators at the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board have ever heard of tar and feathering in years past, they seem to be candidates now.
5 posted on 11/21/2012 3:06:25 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: lowbridge

‘set up 24-hour hot lines for people to report violations by their neighbors. ‘

Leftists really are Fascist.


7 posted on 11/21/2012 3:09:09 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: lowbridge

Libs are control freaks and will bring the exact same thing to every State, if allowed.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 3:10:52 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: lowbridge

These “people” would probably freak out at what was proposed today. It seems a trash truck had an accident and lost a lot of it’s load on the 5 freeway today. According to the report I heard on the radio, they were thinking of putting the trash into a pile and burning it. They better wait to make sure they bought their carbon credits.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 3:16:12 PM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: lowbridge

Disguised communism. They hate the fact that you own a car or a house. They would love to confiscate it for the collectivity. But they can’t just yet. So they do something just as good. They take a significant chunk of something you own.
In the communist mind all property belongs to the collectivity.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 3:18:58 PM PST by I want the USA back (We're already there.)
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To: jazusamo

Lol.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 3:20:28 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: lowbridge

Well, .... forgetaboutit.... I just can’t stop laughing.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 3:21:58 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Flycatcher

heh, heh, heh

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Fly. :-)


14 posted on 11/21/2012 3:26:45 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: lowbridge

“ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk.”

Yet no new penalties for robbery, murder, or rape?

Not surprising since in the liberal twisted mind, robbers, murders, and rapists are all “victims.” The REAL criminals are those evil dog poopers. Much better your daughter be raped and murdered than step in dog poop.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 3:38:31 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: jazusamo
Home for a while. Get to FReep and eat turkey. What a combo!

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours too. :^)

16 posted on 11/21/2012 3:45:12 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: lowbridge
Agenda 21.

Drive the peasants to extinction by regulating and fining them to death.

17 posted on 11/21/2012 3:52:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

There actually is a 3 tier plan to open the prison doors and let out over 30,000 felons in California.

The least problematic will be released first, and the 3rd group includes violent felons & sex offenders.

Seems they think they have prison overcrowding.

Guess they will fill the cells up with people who try to wash their car at home.....


18 posted on 11/21/2012 3:54:48 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: jazusamo

This is much better, and, if preserved properly, can last quite some time to ward off ADDITIONAL evil or bad behavior:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heads_on_pikes.jpg


19 posted on 11/21/2012 4:30:37 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: lowbridge

“The new regulations even apply to firefighters, who would be forced to somehow capture and scrub the water running down the street from fire hoses and burning buildings, although the bureaucrats promise wiggle room for “emergency situations.”

Well, if a building has no people in it, is it really an “emergency situation”? /sarc


20 posted on 11/21/2012 4:39:38 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: lowbridge

How are they going to apply that law when there’s nobody left?


21 posted on 11/21/2012 4:40:14 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: lowbridge
Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day

Ah, so if I'm a renter, not a homeowner, does that mean I am exempt OR does it mean that the actual owner of the home gets hit instead of me since they did not prevent me from allowing those things to happen?

Or, did the author of the article oversimplify?

22 posted on 11/21/2012 5:25:49 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: AlmaKing
‘Leftists really are Fascist.’

You are absolutely correct!!!
Liberal and Democrats are Fascists!!!
The Liberals like the Nazi uniforms but cannot keep them clean and pressed.
The fig leaf has fallen and we can see them for what they are.
TWB

23 posted on 11/21/2012 5:31:30 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: lowbridge

If it rains in your yard, you have to collect the rainwater and give it to the city or they fine you-I kid you not.


24 posted on 11/21/2012 5:37:31 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (yup)
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To: lowbridge

The Nazi Germany redo, ya think?? Next, the entire country?


25 posted on 11/21/2012 6:01:25 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: lowbridge
Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk.

Seeing as so much of suburban San Diego County is interdigitated with adjoining open wildlands... Will homeowners be required by the water quality people to clean up coyote poop? Will the wildlife people will assess a penalty for disturbing "Natural" coyote poop? Will the health department assess a penalty for not calling them in to clean the coyote poop because of the risk of parasites (one must be a certified coyote poop handler I presume)? Will there be charges of child endangerment if the coyote poop is unguarded while waiting for the health department haz-mat people to come clean it up?

And so on....

26 posted on 11/21/2012 7:07:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: GladesGuru; SierraWasp; forester
You'll love this one.

Environmentalism strikes its perpetrators.

Let's see, the socialized commons here is water. What was that quote???

This politically-sponsored dissolution of the Separation of Powers Principle, combines all three branches of government into one, that can derive power and funding by manufacturing claims on the use of property. The more externalities are regulated, the more power accrues to the agency to control the use of the producing asset to turn its use to corrupt purpose. When agency control is sufficient to alienate the interest of the agent from the democratic majority, the asset has then degenerated into a socialized commons.

The claims by which a commons is socialized are ironically often the same precedents as were used to extend the original democratic claim; i.e., by extending claims against the transformation products of the democratic use of the resource. With the legal precedents in place that were used to take control of the factors of production on individual property, the civic agent now has the legal tools to take control of ALL related private property. Control of the use of land is now in the hands of an agency that is alienated from accountability to the public claim for healthy ecosystem function. The agency instead serves the limited interests of the politically dominant, who use the power of government to gain de facto control of ALL factors of production.

History teaches that this is not a good thing.

A socialized commons is an evil to the environment because the resource is under a controlling agent with no structural motive to prevent or eliminate ecological problems. Quite the contrary, civic management of the environment not only doesn't work, it has every reason not to work. As ecological problems worsen and resulting economic crises deepen, the power acceded to government agencies expands!

Commons are factor inputs to all economic goods. The power to socialize a commons by regulation is the power to transfer control of ALL factors of production to government.

That includes you.

Let's see, I wrote that twelve years ago. I'm a prophet without a profit.
27 posted on 11/21/2012 7:17:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: AlmaKing

and they also loe about their neighbors. think about the flaming gay couple who hates the couple on their block they know are christians who voted for Prop 8. false reports just to harass neighbors not doing anything.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 7:31:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: I want the USA back

it’s the only way to turn lawful people into criminals, you just keep declaring more and more normal, lawful things illegal.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 7:34:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Oh my goodness... has it really been over a decade... hard to believe!!!

What shall it profit a man if he weed the whole environment without any revenue streams generated by his dreams... The world has lost it's mind and it's soul and will eventually perish without help from a higher power than mankind.

Maybe you should write wild, exciting novels with preachy plots like the leftists and EnvironMentalists do and of course if they fail, they politic and lick till they become GovernMental EnvironMentalists and become the agents you described in your dozen year old classic writings.

Blessed American Thanksgivings to the most high for you and yours!!!

30 posted on 11/21/2012 8:05:18 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Mrs. Wasp and I have been friends with a couple since we lived near them in the People's Republic of Davis owned and controlled by the UCDavis professors and student movements. They moved to San Diego about 40 years ago and we moved up here a little later.

They came by to see us a few months ago and we went to lunch and had a full blown, high tension verbal exchange of all things political. They had become even wilder eyed liberals than they were down in the flatlands of Davis!!!

They seemed to us like people who were raised in eastern europe had Commonism actually ever done anything useful in that part of the world. Of course it hasn't, yet they are fervent missionaries of the most flagrant leftist doctrines imaginable.

I'd send them this article but it would be a complete waste of electrons and my time! They are hopelessly lost and no cult reprogrammer will ever be able to overcome their illusions and delusions or desperate dreams for a nation they dread as much as I love.

I have NO desire to try to save them from themselves, or from such regulation they'll someday endure in their GovernMental EcoTopia!!!

By the way, my memory is fading on all the efforts I made to overcome the forces of "Arrested Development," even more than a decade and a half ago. I seem to recall something with the initials of HBP or something like that in San Diego that was some kind of Habitat Biological Protective area deliberately designed to stop any further real estate improvements upon that land. I mean "any disturbance of the soil!"

Do you remember any such designation or do I have it mis-named, or what???

We were going to put such a designation on the South Fork of the American to control their corporate rafting ecotourist enterprises from raping the environment on the banks as well as their campgrounds. But we finally gave the idea up and tried to do it with a county-wide ballot measure.

They spent every political resource they could scrape up defeating that mother of all extreme measures!!! This was after I had already lost re-election, of course.

31 posted on 11/21/2012 8:38:03 PM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the next 50 months of an unprecedebted lame duck session!!!)
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