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Democrats have edge, but presidency still in play (Michael Barone)
Washington Examiner ^ | November 20, 2012 | Michael Barone

Posted on 11/21/2012 4:42:38 PM PST by neverdem

A funny thing happened as I was looking at the political map of this year's presidential election: It began to look like the map of the presidential election of 2004.

I'm not talking about the superficial similarity, the fact that in both elections an incumbent president beat a challenger from Massachusetts by a 51 to 48 percent popular vote margin.

I'm talking about the fact that the large majority of states voted just a little bit more Democratic in 2012 than they did in 2004.

Enough to give 2012 nominee Barack Obama 332 electoral votes, far more than 2004 nominee John Kerry's 252. But not enough to change the political balance of the nation or the various regions very much.

At current count -- the numbers may change a bit as California and a few other states waddle in with late tabulations -- Barack Obama's 50.73 percent of the popular vote exceeds John Kerry's 48.26 percent by 2.47 percentage points. (Eerily, George W. Bush's final percentage was 50.73 percent).

Using rounded-off whole percentages, Obama ran 1 or 2 points ahead of Kerry in nine states and the District of Columbia with 81 electoral votes. They include target states New Hampshire and Pennsylvania, which Kerry won, and Ohio, which he lost.

Obama ran 3 or 4 points ahead of Kerry in more states, 20. These states have 243 electoral votes. They include 2012 target states Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada and Wisconsin.

George W. Bush carried all of those target states in 2004 except Wisconsin, which he lost by 11,384 votes. Clearly, Hispanic voters, and the differences between Bush and Mitt Romney on immigration and in attitude, helped move Colorado, Nevada and, by a very narrow margin, Florida from the Republican column in 2004 to the Democratic column in 2012.

But Obama's winning percentages in these three states -- 50 percent in Florida, 51 percent in Colorado and 52 percent in Nevada -- don't suggest that Republicans will never be competitive there again.

As for Iowa and Wisconsin, they were both exceedingly close in both 2000 and 2004, both were solid for Obama in 2008, and this time they gave him 52 and 53 percent of their votes.

What about the other 21 states? Some produced big increases for Obama over Kerry -- 17 points in the president's birth state of Hawaii, 8 points in increasingly liberal Vermont.

Obama also improved on Kerry's percentage by 6 points in Maryland and Virginia, the two states most positively affected by increases in federal spending. His percentage went up only 2 points in the District of Columbia because it's hard to improve much on Kerry's 89 percent there.

The Democratic percentage also went up 5 points in California, where high taxes are driving out middle-income families, and in North Carolina, which the Obama campaign shrewdly targeted in 2008. Obama carried it by 1 point then and lost by only 2 points this time.

The Republican percentage increased by 8 points in coal-country West Virginia and in the now Clintonless Arkansas. It also increased in other states with the warlike Jacksonian tradition -- Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Louisiana and Oklahoma.

Obama ran 1 point lower than Kerry in the latter's Massachusetts and in Utah and Wyoming. His percentage was almost exactly the same as Kerry's in Arizona, evidence that its increasing Hispanic population is not tipping the state Democratic.

I draw two conclusions from these figures, one with some certainty and one tentatively.

One is that Democrats have a structural advantage in the Electoral College. An extra 2.46 points of the popular vote netted Obama 80 more electoral votes than Kerry. Obama won 58 percent or more in 11 states and D.C. with 163 electoral votes. He needed only 107 more to win.

In 2004, the 16 states Bush won with 58 percent or more had only 130 electoral votes. He needed 140 more to win and barely got them.

My tentative conclusion is that we may be back to the nearly even balance between the parties we saw between 1995 and 2005. Since then, we've been in a period of open-field politics, with big swings to the Democrats in 2006 and 2008 and a big swing to the Republicans in 2010.

Both sides hoped those swings would prove permanent. 2012 suggests both sides were disappointed. It looks like we're back to trench warfare politics at the national level.

Michael Barone,The Examiner's senior political analyst, can be contacted at mbarone@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears Wednesday and Sunday, and his stories and blog posts appear at washingtonexaminer.com.


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1 posted on 11/21/2012 4:42:42 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Nope. Once Obama makes citizens out of twenty or even ten million illegal aliens, they will turn most of the swing states solidly blue in 2016 and beyond. Barring a catastrophic economic collapse or foreign policy debacle, 2016 won’t be nearly as close as 2012 was.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 4:52:39 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: neverdem

i don’t think this guy knows what he is talking about so why read or believe anything from him


3 posted on 11/21/2012 4:52:42 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

The problem with Barone’s analysis is that Obama has been a terrible president and the economy under Obama has been horrible.

If the Democrats can win with this margin with such lousy economic conditions, then if the economic conditions had been better they would have won with much bigger margins.

This means the Democrats are in a much stronger position than in the 1995-2005 period, and the country is not evenly balanced between the two parties.

Barone’s analysis gives hope to those who think if Republicans just do a little bit better political wizardry they will be back in power.

Wrong. The problem is more fundamental, and the battle must be waged at a cultural level in the schools and in media and entertainment.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 4:55:42 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: neverdem

Slice it, dice it, cut it any way you want. The real issue is that concentrated metro areas often carry whole states, relegating the hinterlands to a ‘lesser’ status.
The solution is more states, or more countries.

A secondary issue is that the Congress hasn’t added to it’s headcount for over 80 years. We’ve been locked at 435 representatives (except of a couple of years) since early in the last century. That number should be nearly 5000 if we were to pay heed to the founders notion of the population numbers a congress-critter should represent.
More state and more electoral votes would do a lot to level the playing field, and bring some sanity back to the whole (currently) sordid process.


5 posted on 11/21/2012 5:00:32 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: neverdem

Barone misses something huge year. Based on the economy, 2012 was a wave year for Republicans. They lost their own wave election. Badly. If Republicans can’r win with the wind at their back, they are in serious trouble. I agree, if the economy was good, this result wouldn’t be a big deal.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 5:05:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: PubliusMM
Or proportional allocation of the EC votes. Otherwise those of us in flyover country, which includes a great precentage of the US will have no voice in our government. The hive cities and the countryside will never have similar values or needs.
7 posted on 11/21/2012 5:06:43 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: neverdem

Get a clue, Barone. We’re toast. There will be no more fair federal elections; the fix is in.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 5:08:33 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: nickcarraway
Based on the economy, 2012 was a wave year for Republicans.
Just like 2010 was a wave year, and also was for Scott Walker in the recall election.
How the hell the GOP missed the boat and the wave is just, just, hell, just unbelievably incompetent.
I'm STILL shaking my head.
9 posted on 11/21/2012 5:15:51 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: neverdem

Sorry, I still don’t buy all of the negative talk.

Romney ran a good campaign right up until the end of the first debate. If the election had been a few days after that debate, it would have been a Romney blowout.

But instead Romney chose to sit on his lead and coast to victory. I’ve listed 10 things that went wrong for him (starting with a TOTALLY BOTCHED get out the vote effort) and he still managed to keep the election reasonably close.

Yes, Demographics are trending against us...but that is slow, and this country is far from lost - be we need a candidate that isn’t afraid to campaign hard to the very end - rather than trying to pull in that non-existent independent. I have one of those “independents” at work. She owns a gun...she’s married - to a guy...she is far from a flaming liberal. But she saw one commercial that said that Ryan supports no exceptions to banning abortion, and that was it - Obama got her vote...and, at the same time, 5 Evangelicals sat home (because of Romney at the top of the ticket) and didn’t vote.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 5:16:57 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: neverdem
When a guy who hates the United States like the Devil hates holy water can win the Presidency with a great deal of room to spare, the Presidency is no longer in play. Sorry, Mr. Barone...things are what they are.

When the Senate can stay in the control of a guy who despises the United States only slightly less than he loves his own navel, the Senate is no longer in play. Again, sorry, things are what they are.

In the next four years we will certainly get a Supreme Court with an utterly illiterate majority, so the trifecta will be complete. If Boehner has even one testicle, he will make sure we go off the fiscal cliff. Then the liberals who want the United States to collapse can get what they want.

I doubt the microscope exists that can find a Boehner testicle. So, we will only collapse when we get to the hyperinflation that obama wants.

The question is: Will all the eunuchs and female children who wanted obama then be happy? Ecstatic will likely be the story.

Fighting reality is a prescription for boundless sorrow.

11 posted on 11/21/2012 5:20:53 PM PST by stevem
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To: neverdem

The Marxists have a much better Organization both in Breadth and Depth. Literally thousands of organizations from very small neighborhood types to massive nationwide ones, ie SEIU etc.Tens of thousands of volunteers are ready to hit the phones and ring the doorbells and they are increasing the numbers daily in the colleges, universities and yes, even the high schools. This isn’t a game of potsy and the Pubbies had better learn it damn fast or they are history.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 5:23:05 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: neverdem

I have dug into the trench and the GOP is AWOL.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 5:23:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: PubliusMM
Slice it, dice it, cut it any way you want. The real issue is that concentrated metro areas often carry whole states, relegating the hinterlands to a ‘lesser’ status. The solution is more states, or more countries.

I have been thinking about this for some time, and I think you are right - I don't think it is the whole answer (primary process rigged toward liberal states as another instance), but it is a fairly true statement.

However, your solution is not necessarily the only one: The electoral college is established in order to give lesser states some equality during elections at the federal level... What if the same were done within a state, at the county level... the same basic idea would apply. The winner of the state-wide electoral college would be awarded the electoral votes at the federal level... More populous counties would still have a lot of swing, but limited so that lesser counties still matter.

14 posted on 11/21/2012 5:23:56 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I agree with you and have been saying essentially the same thing. Having said that overcoming structural impediments in educational brainwashing & MSM indoctrination is a long term proposition at best and may be lost. In meantime we have no choice but continue trench warfare albeit with better candidates.

Conservatives themselves split the vote in the primaries and allowed Romney to get in. Conservatives must unite around a candidate and accept that reality. Of course we need a strong candidate to rally around. We desperately need a strong Reaganesque candidate for 2016. However next up is House in 2014 where we need pick up seats and replace Boehner.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 5:24:20 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Bigg Red

I once gave states allocating proportional electoral votes by congressional district short shrift. Now I think it is the only way to fight big city corruption and 120% voting tallies.

If you look at the red blue map of this country, red lands far exceed the blue coastal areas and major cities. We can never win all of California’s electoral votes, but we can take a chunk under a proportional system.

We have 30 GOP governors. They should be looking at an electoral college proportional voting system to fight against demorat vote stealing.

With a proportional system Philadelphia can vote 200% of their registered voters; they will only win Philadelphia.

I would like Barone to do a study. I’m sure we can take more electoral votes from them in such a system than they can take from us.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 5:25:42 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; MitchellC; goldstategop; ...
I draw two conclusions from these figures, one with some certainty and one tentatively.

One is that Democrats have a structural advantage in the Electoral College. An extra 2.46 points of the popular vote netted Obama 80 more electoral votes than Kerry. Obama won 58 percent or more in 11 states and D.C. with 163 electoral votes. He needed only 107 more to win.

In 2004, the 16 states Bush won with 58 percent or more had only 130 electoral votes. He needed 140 more to win and barely got them.

LAME.

I call on the PA and MI GOP state governments to wake up and divide electoral votes by congressional district (PA considered this before this election). There is no reason for them not to do it. This would have netted us at least 15 or so E votes.

17 posted on 11/21/2012 5:29:32 PM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: neverdem

“In play” like an NCAA football game is when Northern Illinois takes the field against Nebraska.

Seriously..no, Michael ... the White House isn`t “in play” for the GOP anymore. However, Republicans still need to fundraise and go through the motions of a nomination, because down-ticket candidates who have a chance to win could benefit from their efforts.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 5:30:01 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: PubliusMM; roamer_1
Slice it, dice it, cut it any way you want. The real issue is that concentrated metro areas often carry whole states, relegating the hinterlands to a ‘lesser’ status.

FWIW, The suburban vote is almost half of the electorate, and rural voters are about 20 %.

19 posted on 11/21/2012 5:36:38 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: All

The simple truth is that a Mormon can never win the presidency.
a strong conservative would have easily unseated O,


20 posted on 11/21/2012 5:43:17 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: neverdem

Michael Barone?

Didn’t he used to be somebody before he fell to earth?


21 posted on 11/21/2012 5:45:03 PM PST by Iron Munro (Michelle and Barack: Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: neverdem

Another GOPe trying some math for the next fake presidential election. Don’t be a sucker.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 5:47:24 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: PubliusMM

That number should be nearly 5000

Good God that is all we need. That financial expense alone makes it not possible.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 5:48:42 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Meet the New Boss

I disagree.

Sure Obama is a big problem we can see that.

But there are plenty of big problems on our side also. That is the bigger problem.

How many Republicans support outsourcing and sending jobs overseas?

Now how many can be BLAMED for this economy. Leaving Obama in office.

That is my point. Sure Obama is the problem, but the GOP is likewise the problem so Obama does not get the blame he deserves.

Bring back US jobs now. LOTS of US jobs. Get aggressive and launch trade wars if necessary, but do it now.

Once we are fighting for US jobs, then when US jobs are not found, we cannot be blamed - and we get elected.

Until we stop outsourcing everything, we are the bigger problem and will continue to be (rightly) blamed for the problem and remain on the outside looking in.

I do not like being outside looking in.

I prefer to be in charge.

How about it GOP? Fight for jobs.

US Jobs.


24 posted on 11/21/2012 5:50:37 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: A'elian' nation

I once gave states allocating proportional electoral votes by congressional district short shrift. Now I think it is the only way to fight big city corruption and 120% voting tallies.

If you look at the red blue map of this country, red lands far exceed the blue coastal areas and major cities. We can never win all of California’s electoral votes, but we can take a chunk under a proportional system.

We have 30 GOP governors. They should be looking at an electoral college proportional voting system to fight against demorat vote stealing.

With a proportional system Philadelphia can vote 200% of their registered voters; they will only win Philadelphia.

I would like Barone to do a study. I’m sure we can take more electoral votes from them in such a system than they can take from us.


Agree. I think this makes 2 elections in a row that red counties outnumbered blue, but blue won.


25 posted on 11/21/2012 5:51:18 PM PST by patriotspride
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To: stevem
Will all the eunuchs and female children who wanted obama then be happy?

Libtards are never happy. Even when they had super majorities in both houses of congress from 2009-2011, they weren't happy. Remember?

Even when the GOP was locked out of all negotiations on ObamaCare, they weren't happy. Even in states like New York, Illinois, Massachusetts and Maryland, where they have super majorities, they still are unhappy.

26 posted on 11/21/2012 6:00:56 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: pepperdog

Proportional allocation is my preference. I’m tired of having my vote drowned by the hive cities and WTA allocation.

It’s simple, it’s constitutional and it’s morally correct.

Furthermore, it should be fairly easy to get through R controlled state legislatures with R Governorships.

The fact that this doesn’t even seem to be on the GOPe’s radar indicates why they are the stupid party.


27 posted on 11/21/2012 6:40:48 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Trade wars lead to real wars. Not a good plan.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 6:44:33 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: neverdem

They need to quit eliminating conservatives.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 7:04:28 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BobL

“I have one of those “independents” at work. She owns a gun...she’s married - to a guy...she is far from a flaming liberal. But she saw one commercial that said that Ryan supports no exceptions to banning abortion, and that was it - Obama got her vote..”

She’s a “ladyparts voter” (new term which I take credit for coining).

Obama won them to the tune of 68% and the Pubbies are going to have a VERY hard time ever winning their votes in the future.

They’re going to be amongst the toughest nuts to crack...


30 posted on 11/21/2012 7:09:06 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Don Corleone
Literally thousands of organizations from very small neighborhood types to massive nationwide ones, ie SEIU etc.Tens of thousands of volunteers are ready to hit the phones and ring the doorbells and they are increasing the numbers daily in the colleges, universities and yes, even the high schools.

Stimulus money to unions = 4 years worth of "walking around" money. Question is, stimulus was allocated when (D)'s held the House. Does that gravy train from 2008 -2009 finally dry up between now and 2014 or 2016?

FReegards!


31 posted on 11/21/2012 7:23:24 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Iron Munro
Michael Barone? Didn’t he used to be somebody before he fell to earth?

Yep. Then he blew the election as bad as any shavetail fortune-teller. He has a lot of ground to make up before he enjoys the credibility he once had. This effort here won't move the ball very far.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 7:54:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem

Barone was pretty confident Romney would win. I guess he was using the old models of Democrat cheating. The new model features enhanced ballot stuffing and ballot destruction.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 7:58:39 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: patriotspride

I also think this is a good solution to the problem.


34 posted on 11/21/2012 9:09:34 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: neverdem

Republicans did nothing absolutely NOTHING about illegal aliens voting in 2012.. 2016 will be worse.. the only fact missing is illegal aliens voting in 2008..

Republicans (at the Top) have been complicit in aliens voting by DOING LITTLE OR NOTHING.. since Reagan..

ALL republicans need a re-think on THEIR OWN complicitcy..
Illegals have been voting for decades.. and felons as well.. even the dead..

Nothing to brag about “being a republican”..


35 posted on 11/21/2012 10:08:54 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Way Forward

The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.

The Voters Who Stayed Home

Illinois: Federal Court Upholds Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Awards the NRA $125,000 in Attorney’s Fees

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36 posted on 11/21/2012 10:33:56 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Way Forward

The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.

The Voters Who Stayed Home

Illinois: Federal Court Upholds Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Awards the NRA $125,000 in Attorney’s Fees

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

37 posted on 11/21/2012 10:34:55 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Way Forward

The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.

The Voters Who Stayed Home

Illinois: Federal Court Upholds Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Awards the NRA $125,000 in Attorney’s Fees

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

38 posted on 11/21/2012 10:36:02 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: BobL

Romney didnt sit on his lead, he was still building it when crowley snatched it away from him in the 2nd debate. Remember? When she backed up the obama lie about benghazi? And then the next day admitted that Romney had been right? Romneys momentum was broken by that debate, and that LIE! Had she not backed up obamas lie, Romney would have been pronounced the blowout winner of the 2nd debate, just like the first debate, and obama would have never stopped his momentum.

Ever wonder how obama KNEW that crowley would have that misleading transcript? They had it PLANNED! Had to!


39 posted on 11/22/2012 3:23:15 AM PST by weezel
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To: neverdem

The only way to get back to sanity is to go back to requiring that one has to have something tangible to offer to society in order to vote. If you’re on the dole - no vote / if you pay net 0 in taxes (or get a refund even though you paid no taxes) - no vote / if you don’t speak English - no vote / if you came into the country illegally and then became a citizen - no vote for 10 years after becoming a citizen and you have to renounce your former country / I would get into thoughts on the disaster that Women’s Suffrage caused on our electoral system, but I love my wife...


40 posted on 11/22/2012 3:34:33 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: A'elian' nation

We have 30 GOP governors. They should be looking at an electoral college proportional voting system to fight against demorat vote stealing.

&&&
Not holding your breath for that one, I trust.

I’m sorry to sound so bitter, as I know I have on FR ever since November 7, but I just feel so discouraged now. The Soros Administration now has it hooks into so many things. These people are evil, but they are brilliant and have studied and plotted their way into mounting the country’s takedown. How many executive orders will we see, in the coming years, that just go right around Congressional authority?


41 posted on 11/22/2012 5:16:42 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: weezel

“Romney didnt sit on his lead, he was still building it when crowley snatched it away...”

You won’t catch me defending that beast, but even so, Ryan was effectively muzzled and Romney was running a REPUBLICAN campaign from MA...which then showed up with his get out the vote implosion.


42 posted on 11/22/2012 5:30:52 AM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Road Glide

“She’s a “ladyparts voter” (new term which I take credit for coining).”

And she actually mentioned a ladypart in explaining her decision - and I’ll leave it at that.


43 posted on 11/22/2012 5:33:51 AM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Bigg Red

No, I’m not holding my breath for anything. I have been as sick as you since Nov 7th. I have watched zilch TV news - nada. I even turn down the radio on the hour and half hour.

I wish I could be Felix Baumgartner, but I wouldn’t jump. I’d just stay in my balloon capsule up there happy as a clam that I jumped off the earth.

Right now I feel like a guy denied parole and have to wait out another 4 year sentence. I was so counting on that Nov 7th parole. I was beginning to taste freedom again, and the door has been slammed shut.

They are pure evil, and the republican party refuses to shovel the crap right back at them. And the idiot voters are more empowered by the word FAIR instead of the word FREE.

Maybe we should move to Singapore. It’s just been declared the least emotional city on earth.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 5:49:28 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation

Amen to all that you say. Except moving to Singapore. They have stolen my country, but I refuse to be evicted.

So glad I have my faith in God to sustain me.

A blessed Thanksgiving to you.


45 posted on 11/22/2012 6:27:38 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“...and the country is not evenly balanced between the two parties.”

You’re right. That explains the conservatives and patriots controlling 30 states, up from 25 in 2010.


46 posted on 11/22/2012 7:34:00 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Don Corleone
"The Marxists have a much better Organization both in Breadth and Depth."

I agree with that statement....about the "volunteers"....but the rest of the "volunteers" are MOSTLY UNION people and students (another form of a union for the demothugs). In the city where I live (a MAJOR SEIU city) we have very FEW DEM Precinct people....it's the UNIONS doing all the vote buying...and then there is the fraud...

47 posted on 11/22/2012 8:12:20 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

YES...to everything you said...although I fear we’ve LOST the cultural war, and that the only thing that will help us regain our grownd is all out civil war...I pray I am wrong.


48 posted on 11/22/2012 8:15:29 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: A'elian' nation
"Right now I feel like a guy denied parole and have to wait out another 4 year sentence. I was so counting on that Nov 7th parole. I was beginning to taste freedom again, and the door has been slammed shut. They are pure evil, and the republican party refuses to shovel the crap right back at them. And the idiot voters are more empowered by the word FAIR instead of the word FREE."

YOU have said it so well....exactly as I feel. Especially the last 2 sentences!!!

49 posted on 11/22/2012 8:19:27 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: plain talk

Can people stop with this “Reaganesque” pining? Ronald Reagan was a unique historical figure that will never be repeated. Even if it were to be repeated, it won’t happen in time for 2016. The Reagan phenomenon had a long lead time and there’s nobody in the GOP politics that fits the bill.

Reagan had unique personal qualities like charm and a quick wit that virtually nobody in GOP politics possesses. He also had firm values and beliefs in the American system that nobody in the GOP establishment possesses. The GOPe didn’t have them when Reagan ran for office and they don’t have them now. If you can find someone who was in the entertainment/sports field who has a long career in political activism culminating in two terms as governor of a large state who will run against incumbent President of a deeply divided party during a severe economic downturn then okay maybe. But don’t expect someone like that come along just because you want them to.


50 posted on 11/22/2012 8:21:34 AM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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