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The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.
National Review Online ^ | November 20, 2012 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/21/2012 5:57:01 PM PST by neverdem

‘The Republican brand is deeply damaged” was a painfully common assessment after the election. A lot of Republicans were eager to blame the party’s thoroughly lousy performance on the presidential nominee, but there is considerable evidence that the unpopularity goes well beyond that: Romney won more votes than GOP Senate candidates in almost all of the swing states — and in some fairly red states, including Arizona, Montana, Nebraska, and North Dakota.

Conservative ideas, though, won in distinctly Democratic-leaning states once the word “Republican” was no longer associated with them. In Michigan, where Obama won handily, a push to enshrine collective-bargaining rights in the state constitution was roundly defeated, 58 to 42 percent. In California, voters rejected a proposition to repeal the death penalty, rejected mandatory labeling of genetically engineered foods, and also rejected Proposition 38, which would have added funding to education and early-childhood programs by raising taxes on those making as little as $75,000 a year. In Virginia, voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment making it tougher for the state government to seize private property under eminent domain — while Romney and George Allen were losing statewide.

So why are Republicans so much less popular than their ideas? A ubiquitous accusation from their Democratic rivals, echoed by an allied media, is that Republicans lack empathy to the point of displaying sheer meanness. With Obama running up huge margins among various demographics — African-Americans, Hispanics, women, young people — the argument is that the GOP increasingly represents an aging, white, bitter, and angry rump of the electorate, lashing out nastily at a world changing too fast for them.

For the sake of argument, let us contemplate why an unaffiliated voter might think Republicans are mean.

The “47 percent”: In Romney’s infamous “47 percent” remarks, the worst line was, “My job is not to worry about those people — I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Even if there was some valid lament in there about a culture of dependency, the phrasing was about as harmful as possible, because it suggested that as president Romney wouldn’t “worry” about those people — that is, wouldn’t govern with their needs in mind, because he deemed them uninterested in self-sufficiency.

If you believe that conservative ideas work, you hopefully believe that the formula — a decent education, hard work, prudence, thrift, and a dollop of ambition — can and will work for anyone and everyone. “Some of you people are just hopeless” is an awful political slogan, and one that actually strengthens the case for liberalism: If a significant chunk of the citizenry is indeed unable or unwilling to care for itself — not merely failing to do so in response to incentives created by liberal policies — then some entity must step in to do that, and the state is probably best equipped for this task.

Most conservatives’ objection to the culture of dependency is that it results in a waste of human potential: in jobs gone unfilled, in able-bodied men and women not pursuing something better and not becoming role models for their children because they’ve been conditioned to believe that a government check is the best they can achieve. We hate the culture of dependency because we love those trapped in it and want to see them living better, happier, more fulfilling lives. If we truly hated them, we would want to keep them there.

None of that worldview came through in Romney’s remarks, and they were exacerbated by his post-election remarks summarized here by the Los Angeles Times:

Obama, Romney argued, had been “very generous” to blacks, Hispanics and young voters. He cited as motivating factors to young voters the administration’s plan for partial forgiveness of college loan interest and the extension of health coverage for students on their parents’ insurance plans well into their 20s. Free contraception coverage under Obama’s healthcare plan, he added, gave an extra incentive to college-age women to back the president.

“The president’s campaign,” he said, “focused on giving targeted groups a big gift — so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars.”

In short, Romney concluded that he lost because he couldn’t make a better offer to voters in key demographics who were essentially motivated by laziness and greed.

There’s a word that accurately summarizes the perspective of Republicans who believe that Latinos voted for Obama because they want amnesty for criminals and endless welfare, that young people voted for Obama because they’re ignorant and want free birth control, and that blacks voted for Obama because they wanted free cell phones: contempt. And it’s hard to persuade people to adopt your perspective, join your movement, or vote for your candidate when you speak of them with contempt.

The Sandra Fluke “slut” argument: When Democrats spotlighted Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke for her conviction that employers should be required to provide insurance that covers birth control, it was hard to imagine a more self-destructive reaction than Rush Limbaugh’s initial one:

What does it say about the college coed Susan Fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex.

Wait, it got worse:

So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.

This was a winnable argument for conservatives: In essence, Fluke expected Catholic institutions to violate their core principles and pay for something they deemed wrong, simply because she really wanted it. But the Right’s legitimate points quickly got drowned out in the brouhaha over Rush’s use of the S-word.

We roll our eyes at the Democratic party’s deification of Fluke, at Obama’s reassuring phone call to her, at her speech at the convention in Charlotte, and at her sometimes sparsely attended appearances on the campaign trail for Democratic candidates. But grassroots conservatives greeted every Fluke appearance like a bull seeing a waving red flag; quite a few among us enjoyed bringing back the S-word and mocking her as a nymphomaniac.

To his credit, Rush quickly apologized and said he regretted speaking about Fluke in the highly personalized terms of the Left. The issue never was, or never should have been, her sex life (or even the largely neglected side issue that some women need birth-control medications for health reasons). The issue was government power.

In focusing on the silliness of a law student’s becoming a national voice in the matter of what employers’ health plans should cover, that portion of the Right who mocked Fluke on those grounds undermined themselves: If what she thought and said was really unworthy of the attention it was receiving, why add to it? Their tactic played directly into the Democrats’ narrative about those mean Republicans: Express a view they disagree with and they’ll sneer about your sex life on national airwaves for weeks.

It is here that Republicans usually object that the mainstream media make a big deal out of Republican offenses like Rush’s use of the word “slut” but ignore comparable offenses on the Left. After all, don’t prominent liberals spew bile regularly without consequence? (Well, not always: Ed Schultz used the same word, “slut,” in a furious rant about Laura Ingraham and was suspended for a week without pay.) Entirely separate from the entirely justified fury over media bias is the question of how we want our movement to talk about the issues. If you sneer at people, you cannot expect them to agree with you.

Gay marriage and sexual taboos: It seems to be a knee-jerk, not-really-in-jest comparison when some conservatives discuss the issue of gay marriage: If two men or two women can get married, why not a man and an animal? GOP congressional candidate Bob Guida made the offhand comparison in New Hampshire in 2010; in October 2012, an Illinois state representative made similar remarks at a tea-party rally.

During last year’s presidential campaign, Rick Santorum received criticism for his 2003 comment that “in every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be.” Santorum insists that the aim of the comment was to emphasize that he views homosexuality as different from pedophilia and bestiality, but he did bring up those emotionally charged taboo behaviors out of the blue while discussing his objections to gay marriage.

At a recent conservative gathering, one well-known pundit exclaimed, “Why can’t I marry my cat?”

Now, think about how this argument sounds to any gay or lesbian or to anyone who loves them — to their mothers, fathers, brothers, and friends. It takes a consensual relationship that more and more Americans see practiced by their friends, neighbors, and relatives and equates it with criminal acts, among the most reviled in our society. Put another way, if some jerk in a bar came up and compared your relationship to your spouse to bestiality, you would probably be sorely tempted to knock his teeth out.

Are gays and lesbians welcome in the GOP or conservative movement? Arguments and jokes like that send the signal they aren’t.

Abortion and rape: Of all the facets of the abortion debate, the most difficult ones for pro-lifers are the cases of rape or incest or where the life or health of the mother is at stake (a small percentage of all abortions). Many self-described pro-lifers are justifiably hesitant to legally require a woman who has been raped to bring the child of her attacker to term.

Todd Akin and then Richard Mourdock confirmed every wavering woman’s suspicion of pro-life conservatives when the former suggested that he understood nothing about the biology of human reproduction and when the latter contended that rape-generated pregnancy “is something that God intended to happen.” Yes, some women who have been raped have carried the child to term and wonderful people have been born as a result. But many women, maybe most, are horrified by the idea that the law could require rape victims to bear the children of the men who assaulted them. For a pair of aspiring GOP senators to utter awful comments, colossally devoid of empathy for the victims of rape, cemented the image of a party so mean they couldn’t even remember to mention the plight of the mother.

The incentives of controversy: For some of the most prominent figures associated with the GOP and with conservatism, controversy is almost always a good thing. Controversy turns heads, gets people tuning in, talking about them, builds ratings. But controversy alone does not necessarily persuade.

Perhaps the most vivid example of that comes from Ann Coulter, who has insisted that it’s acceptable to use the term “raghead” in discussions of the Muslim world. She used it at the 2005 Conservative Political Action Conference, and the next year a Muslim-American conservative begged her to stop: “It kind of turns a lot of Muslim Americans off, and it’s kind of hard to recruit them.” She replied, “I made a few jokes, and they killed 3,000 Americans — fair trade.”

Coulter and other reliable sources of controversy will cite the long American tradition of provocative speech and insist that there’s a raw, “tell it like it is” honesty in such comments. But what hard truth or deep intellectual insight is brought to the table by the term “raghead”? Would we on the right be so casual about a term that mocked yarmulkes or crucifixes? (In South Carolina’s 2010 gubernatorial primary, a GOP state legislator used the term “raghead” in referring to the president and Nikki Haley, a Republican candidate of Indian descent.)

In the race for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee in 2009, controversy erupted over aspiring chairman Chip Saltsman’s sending RNC members a CD that included satirist Paul Shanklin’s song “Barack the Magic Negro,” a reference to the Hollywood trope of a mystical African-American character who provides advice and ancient wisdom to a white protagonist. That explanation was lost in much of the controversy. When trying to persuade skeptical African-Americans that the GOP really understands the problems facing them, do we want to spend a lot of time insisting that there’s nothing even vaguely offensive or off-key about a potential party chairman distributing material that includes the antiquated term “Negro”?

Did Romney lose the election because of these long-ago controversies? No, but each time someone associated with the Right blurts out something like this, it adds a little fuel to the fire of the argument that Republicans don’t respect, understand, or welcome minorities.

In each one of these cases, the GOP and the Right have to think hard about whether this is the hill they want to die on. If you’re a wishy-washy, not-that-tuned-in, relatively apolitical voter, how do these controversies make you feel about Republicans?

Certainly, the media employ double standards in their decisions about which cases of meanness and nastiness are most newsworthy, and we cannot expect a movement made up of millions of people to avoid uttering repellent comments. But for some conservatives, at least every once in a while, those labels “mean” and “nasty” are well earned.

— Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot on NRO.

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To: neverdem
I just don't buy it.

Those (few) nominal, temporary members of the 47% who would have preferred to be fully self sufficient probably did not find Romney's comment insulting or threatening, because THEY DON"T IDENTIFY WITH THE 47%. They probably heard Romney and said "Exactly right!"

As for Rush's comments about Fluke, they are taken out of context here. As usual. In the same little rant Rush referred to himself and his audience as pimps and johns. Were those intended as serious insults? No? So "slut" was dead serious, but those others insults were just jokes? Hokay. I have had it with people who work so hard to misunderstand Limbaugh's humor. Screw 'em.

41 posted on 11/22/2012 12:30:02 AM PST by TChad
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To: neverdem

More nro Yankee what culture war jackass preening bullshit
Needs lotsa rope...hemp...only the best for quislings

Is that mean and nasty enough Jimmy. wobbler sorry excuse for a man

42 posted on 11/22/2012 12:36:29 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Geraghty happens to be one of my least favorite pundits out there, but I’ll join you in agreeing that he actually has a point with all of his examples.

It is fine IMO to point out that Dem policies are intended to buy votes. To say that that’s why a majority of the electorate or large majorities of racial subgroups voted for Obama rather than Romney is indeed needlessly insulting those whose votes the GOP needs to win elections. It isn’t actually accurate about a number of Obama voters (e.g., any of the liberals in my family) and in Romney’s case it was a weak attempt to shift blame rather than accept the failings of his candidacy.

Rush does have a huge blind spot re: women, where he often and needlessly insults them and betrays his poor understanding of their priorities and motivations. His crude Fluke insults were a huge gift to Obama, as they reinforced suspicions that many women have about the GOP. Likewise, Akin and Mourdock.

Likewise for the idiot circulating the ‘Magic Negro’ parody at a conservative conference—and the idiot actually thought he should represent Republicans nationally?

I’m more than happy to see the argument made publicly that Islam is not simply a harmless ‘great religion’ and that its confluence with a primitive totalitarian political system means we must deal with it differently than such. But the needless use of the term ‘raghead’ immediately turns off those who might be willing to listen to the argument were it not stated so insultingly.

Finally, if I were gay and I happened upon one of too many threads here at FR discussing gay issues, for example, I would see too many posts from those vilely insulting all gays to want to consider further affinities in political philosophy.

It is IMO stupid (and unChristian) for our side to so often callously dismiss or outright insult groups whose votes we hope and need to attract at election time.


43 posted on 11/22/2012 1:56:07 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: neverdem; All
To his credit, Rush quickly apologized and said he regretted speaking about Fluke in the highly personalized terms of the Left. The issue never was, or never should have been, her sex life (or even the largely neglected side issue that some women need birth-control medications for health reasons). The issue was government power.

And there he is subtly, but damnably, WRONG. In a Chestertonian sense, he has a perfect circle, but his circle is not large enough.

Under our system, power comes from the consent of the governed. And if someone convinces the governed that what they want is other people's money (largesse), then those people will cede power to the government in exchange for the other people's money (and partly as a balm for a rejected conscience, and to escape temporal effects of their dysfunction which might force them to pay heed to their conscience).

So Rush *WAS* right: we need to re-instill shame in order that the lust and greed of the masses does not trade away our freedom for their desires.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 3:54:33 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: muawiyah
I can explain the fact that what you just said was so far out in left field that it is not even in the ball park.

But bless your heart honey child, I just can't understand it for you.

You have a nice Thanksgiving now.

45 posted on 11/22/2012 4:14:06 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
What you can't explain is how obviously sarcastic it was ~

The claim was that receiving funds from a specific source makes you into a door mat for that source ~ that you will worship the source like a god.

Obviously there's more to humanity than simple economic motivation ~ food in ~ worship ~ food out ~ don't worship.

Seriously, don't you think about what you do with this Marxian claptrap?

46 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 9YearLurker
Thans to a fuller understanding of what's going on in polling (Pew research's May report ~ 9% responding) and a survey of how many of those responding say they are gay (about 3.54% ~ but 91% of people called didn't respond ~ which means that it's more like .3% or 1/11 that number) ~ we now know that the gay component of the total electorate is NEGLIGIBLE!!!!

That doesn't necessarily mean it's OK to insult the gay people ~ but it does mean it really isn't necessary to even think about them ~

47 posted on 11/22/2012 4:28:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I’ll take your point about not needing to insult gays as fair enough, but it is more than the actual population of gays that is and would be put off by a political party that is insulting to them.

(And no, that doesn’t mean we have to change our political positions for them—just be respectful in our disagreements.)

48 posted on 11/22/2012 4:42:06 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: neverdem

At the core of the misguided articles by people like Geraghty (whose columns I usually like) is the assumption that if the GOP just plays nice with people who won’t vote them no matter how nice the Pubbies are, they’ll start voting for the GOP in record numbers. What does Geraghty want...the GOP to turn into Dem lite? We’ll never beat the Dems in pandering. The parasites (oh my, isn’t that a nasty, divisive statement) will always go for the genuine champions of pandering, the Dem Party. Might as well speak the truth to the parasites and retain a little honor.

49 posted on 11/22/2012 4:46:42 AM PST by driftless2
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To: muawiyah

Oh, and you’re daft if you think only one third of one percent of our population is gay.

50 posted on 11/22/2012 4:49:09 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
1/3 of 1%. That's the results Gallup got, and they, like all other polling companies, only get a 9% response rate.

Guess who ALWAYS responds ~ particularly if they have caller ID, and who doesn't these days, and the polling company is known to be asking 'that question'.

Yup, yup, yup ~ if you respond at 11X the normal or average rate of any other population, and you get 3.54% that means the reality is 1/11 of that.

1/3 of 1% is a sufficiently low enough number to demonstrate why gays need to get involved in so much advertising. It's difficult to get dates eh!

51 posted on 11/22/2012 5:22:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That is a sorry excuse for logic.

52 posted on 11/22/2012 5:23:51 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: driftless2
The objective of any campaign is two fold ~ stir your own followers up so they go vote, and stir the other guy's followers up so they are POd at him and won't go vote.

Getting people to change their minds is a long term sort of thing not well handled in a single political campaign.

53 posted on 11/22/2012 5:24:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

Jim what are teabagger, repukes, and Faux News? There are more terms liberals use but not suitable for this message board. Hows that for ‘mean’?

54 posted on 11/22/2012 5:26:26 AM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.Not)
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To: 9YearLurker
Logic? Pew did a study and found the average poll ends up with 9% of those contacted actually making a response. Gallup found 3.54% of their respondents said they were gay ~ and that was during a period when it was widely known they would be asking that question.

It's very easy for a small, but otherwise dedicated, special interest group to AMPLIFY its voice 11 fold simply by answering the phone (or doing the call back thing ~ which they all offer these days).

Then there are 'the rich' who have more than one phone number. The typical robo-poll random dialer will necessarily contact them at least twice as much as those with only one phone number.

That's gotta' distort the results doesn't it ~ maybe even show Romney leading Obama by 5%?

All these polls have to be counseled with outside information else they are very misleading. Currently, due to the very low 9% response rate they are so misleading as to be useless.

BTW, 40 years in the printing and mailing industry leads me to believe it's about 1/3 of 1% TOPS! Lots and lots of gay guys there ~ due to visibility, public contact, and the toleration of management into artistic sorts of things themselves.

That's outside information used to counsel Gallup's poll asing 'that question' ~ they should have known better ~ seriously!

55 posted on 11/22/2012 5:32:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I am staying in the Stupid Party so I can vote for the most right winger in the primaries. I feel I can do more damage that way.

56 posted on 11/22/2012 5:33:02 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 9YearLurker
We need only ignore them ~ hypothetically ~ and we should be OK. Alas, they have their campaign to get special tax treatments.

We have a way to deal with the tax thing. Simply allow a family (defined any way you wish it, but no more than one mommy/daddy pairing) to add up all it's income and divide that by the number of people in the family!

A family of four (2 adults, 2 chillun) would then pay at the single rate for each individual.

Right off that bat that'd give 100% of the working poor a total exemption from federal, and most state, income taxes!

That'd be about 60%. A family with 23 children, would divide by 25. They could earn a half million bucks before being tapped.

But that would end the gay agitation for gay marriage.

The Democrats would oppose that on general principles ~ they lub' dem taxes Fo Sho!

57 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: central_va

Registered independents would have no political play at all in my sort of primaries.

58 posted on 11/22/2012 5:43:11 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tumblindice

Well said.

To a liberal “mean” means “you are not doing what I want you to do and thinking what I want you to think.”

Truth that they don’t want to hear is “mean” or worse yet, racist. Saying that some people have children in order to increase their welfare check is taboo, because it is true, but “mean.

Conservatives are “mean” because they want voter ID to guarantee one vote per eligible voter. But it’s ok for liberals to vote twice, to tamper with voting machines, to manufacture votes which steal elections, or to vote when they aren’t citizens.

Conservatives are “mean” because they want to run business for profit. But it’s not “mean” or “stealing” to take money away from productive, hard-working citizens and give massive amounts of it to favored, already-rich liberals who create pseudo-companies like Solyndra which are just a cover for rewarding Dem donors with tax dollars.

59 posted on 11/22/2012 5:44:06 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: TChad

Fluke’s a dude anyway.

60 posted on 11/22/2012 5:44:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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