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To: cripplecreek
>> He genius. You do realize that the constitutional method of choosing senators prior to the progressive 17th amendment was for the state legislatures to choose them? <<

Hey genius, you do realize that the "constitutional method" of choosing Vice Presidents prior to the 11th amendment was for the runner up in the electoral college to become Vice President?

Should Mitt Romney become Obama's veep because "the founders" set it up that way? Should Al Gore have been Bush's veep? How about putting Walter Mondale a heartbeat away from the Presidency in 1985?

No? So I guess in that case it was OKAY to change what "the founders" set up.

You do realize how idiotic it is to throw a temper tantrum about crooked politicians not being allowed to pick your Senators, by using the argument that it changed what the "founders" set up? Unless you'd like to ALSO repeal the 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, every amendment passed since 1791, etc., your argument is invalid.

Indeed, the founders themselves disagreed with you that their document was perfect as-is, that's why they put a clause in the constitution that allowed it to be amended in the first place.

35 posted on 11/21/2012 7:23:13 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

While you make good points about the Constitution’s being amendable, etc, you do not seem to make allowance for even the possibility that it could be amended in a less than salutary manner.

Your best point is the difficulty in believing that career (state-level) politicians can be trusted to select better senators than are currently being elected popularly. That is a tough one.

More importantly, however, in my view, is that you fail adequately to take into consideration that, under the current (post-Seventeeth system), we the people for the most part really do not in any meaningful way “choose our Senators.”

Rather we choose between the two surviving big spenders. Virtually no one wins a state-wide election in a large state such as California, Texas, or Florida without running a campaign financed by tens of millions of dollars.

This is why you are — in my view — ultimately incorrect in your view. You fail to acknowledge that the senate candidates from which we are forced to choose today are put there — 90% of the time, anyway — by special interests. How is that an improvement over the pre-Seventeeth system?

Of the 10% of the candidates that are not put in play by special interests — let’s name three: Angle, Akin, and Cruz — most are mowed down by opponents who are backed byh special interests. For the exceptions, such as Cruz, we can all be thankful, but I think either system — pre- or post-Seventeeth — will occasionally pick an outstanding candidate such as Cruz.

I say: Repeal the Seventeenth. How can it be any worse than what we have now?

53 posted on 11/21/2012 11:23:34 PM PST by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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