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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Well obviously everybody in a capitalist system has to make ends meet by “resorting” to capitalism, even when that capitalist system has stretched its operating practices to include the massive welfare structures they currently have.
Your comment came out of the blue within a particular thread anatomizing the supposed ‘flaws’ or shortcomings of Orwell’s worldview. I assumed you were talking about Orwell.
This article, though, is flawed in its own way, and doesn’t take into account the historical period that Orwell matured in, which presented to thinking people maybe the original False Choice, i.e., having to choose between two basically totalitarian worldviews.Some very smart, but not smart enough, intellectuals, wound up choosing “The God that Failed”. In this regard, a better testifier for the truth may have been Arthur Koestler. Those choices may be with us still, in different disguises, but in Orwell’s time it wasn’t quite as clear as it is now that Socialism was a lost cause, at least in civilized Great Britain.


17 posted on 11/22/2012 8:10:40 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: supremedoctrine

“This article, though, is flawed in its own way, and doesn’t take into account the historical period that Orwell matured in”
I couldn’t agree more. Orwell’s Soclialism was one that would feed those starving on the streets of London and Paris and one which would provide work for anyone who needed it. It was not the Socialism of free handouts, in fact he detested them and saw them as undermining the nobility and morality of men.
Having said that and even though Orwell bemoaned the types of person’s who called themselves Socilaists and railed against the Communism of Russia he still believed that somewhere in the British character was the civility and decency that could make his brand of Socialism work. Of course he was wrong, hindsight is too easy. He was also right in that the sort of “Lord of the Manner” Capitalism had had it’s day and needed to be replaced.

Mel

More troubling though is that 1984 seems to be finding it’s modern fulfilment in the political left of today.


19 posted on 11/22/2012 9:43:39 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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