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HAWKINS: Republican Party must remain for life, against abortion
Washington Times ^ | November 15, 2012 | Kristan Hawkins

Posted on 11/22/2012 8:33:27 AM PST by rhema

Not surprisingly, in the immediate aftermath of President Obama's win over Mitt Romney last week, many Republicans bared their fangs at the social-conservative wing of the party, either subtly or not so subtly, blaming the loss on those who vote our values. Now, more than ever, our party needs to hold onto our pro-life, pro-human-rights values. In fact, the Republican Party should become more fiercely aligned to the pro-life position than ever.

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We believe ending legal abortion in our lifetime is possible, and we hold the great abolitionists of the past, such as William Wilberforce, an English politician who led the movement to abolish the slave trade in Great Britain, in high esteem and aim to mimic their fighting spirit in the midst of seemingly impossible adversity.

The Republican Party, my party and former employer, was badly beaten on Nov. 6. Leaders of the party need to do a whole lot of soul-searching. Maybe some need to step aside and let others step into the spotlight and be the new, strong voices of this generation. The leadership of the Republican Party got its nominees in 2008 and 2012. Unlike the Democratic Party's strategy, the "mainstream" Republican Party leaders and donors wanted a moderate candidate, someone "electable." They wanted someone who could straddle the fences and appeal to a majority of Americans. They actively opposed the candidates who were solidly pro-life and wore their values on their sleeves.

The GOP does not need any more moderate candidates. We don't want someone who sticks to the middle ground on social issues. Just ask one of the millions of Republicans who sat out this election because they could not stand behind a moderate candidate.

Where is the William Wilberforce of our day?

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1 posted on 11/22/2012 8:33:33 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

But...but...but, the “media” says that the Mexicans won’t like us if we do.


2 posted on 11/22/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty - Obama's bailout of Mexico. Barry sticks it to America again!)
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To: rhema
If the GOP wants conservatives to split off into a third party, this would be the way to do it.

And it would not work out well for them.

3 posted on 11/22/2012 8:37:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: rhema

“The GOP does not need any more moderate candidates. “
Needs to be repeated, over and over.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 8:38:23 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: rhema
Just ask one of the millions of Republicans who sat out this election because they could not stand behind a moderate candidate.

There's no actual evidence that "millions" of such Republicans exist.

5 posted on 11/22/2012 8:41:35 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: rhema

Someone willing to lose the war for losing a battle is not worth voting for.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 8:47:33 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: rhema

Small government fiscal conservatism will never work without social conservatism. Millions upon millions of single mothers and other wealth redistributionists will ensure we never have small government, not when they can immorally plunder their neighbors. And, despite what some libertarians think, limited government can be a force for social good. Anarchy is just as bad as statism. So, yes, it’s good when government recognizes and supports such socially good things as marriage. I’m not advocating for a theocracy. That’s what some people irrationally fear from the right without realizing that we have a real theocracy (Gaia worshipping, secular humanism true believers) running the country right now!


7 posted on 11/22/2012 8:48:17 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: GenXteacher
Any Republican candidate who does not support the social issues will be defeated as many conservatives will reject that candidate.

Just ask Bush #1, Dole, McCain, Romney.

8 posted on 11/22/2012 8:49:01 AM PST by Oak Grove
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To: Oak Grove
Any Republican candidate who does not support the social issues will be defeated as many conservatives will reject that candidate.

Just ask Bush #1, Dole, McCain, Romney.

Meanwhile, the most pro-abortion president this country has ever seen currently sullies the White House and will quite likely during the next four years replace not only Ginsberg, but Scalia and Kennedy as well.

So, how's that litmus test working out?

9 posted on 11/22/2012 8:56:34 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Oak Grove

Romney had more votes in Bible Belt states than Bush #2 did in 2004, and that’s with all the votes note yet counted, and including Texas, Bush’s home state.

The sorts of things you’d expect to see if there were millions of social conservatives rejecting RINOS simply don’t appear in the vote totals.


10 posted on 11/22/2012 8:57:39 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Oak Grove
Any Republican candidate who does not support the social issues will be defeated as many conservatives will reject that candidate.

Yep! Social conservatives sure taught America a lesson. Let's reject the guy who's 75% conservative for the guy who's 0% conservative.

11 posted on 11/22/2012 9:02:08 AM PST by Drew68
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To: rhema
We believe ending legal abortion in our lifetime is possible

It would help to win elections.

12 posted on 11/22/2012 9:03:29 AM PST by Drew68
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To: rhema; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

If Republicans want there to be a Republican party that can do something on this issue then they need to stop nominating crackpots like Akin, Mourdock and Freiss who go on TV and say stupid stuff to nuke their own cause. Hell they did more for abortion ‘rights’ than any Dems did.

Re-Electing Democrats like Obama and Reid (as Senate leader) does not save one unborn human’s life and it hardly lines up the weak kneed RINOs behind the cause.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 9:04:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: rhema
American conservatives -

Godless elites, no matter how conservative they claim to be, will not, and can not, stand up for your interests.

They will compromise with evil, and there is clear evidence of this right before our eyes of this, and Scripture tells us what the reward is for this. Though this passage was spoken by the prophet Isaiah to ancient Israel, of course Scripture speaks to us as well today in ageless truth. In the following passage I have added emphasis on a few verses. Clearly, the American civil government purports to be "caring" for children by extending charity to the poor, but this is a lying and deceitful action, not of God, so it is sin. This is because on the other hand, the government doles out for the poor only in search of their votes, so robbers and thieves of the public treasury can remain in power. And as well, the people of the nation stand, raising our hands up and praying, while our government has sanctioned the murder of tens of millions of defenseless children in the womb - we reach up to God with bloody hands. We have the audacity to make our own "appointed feasts", that is, making our own holidays and proclaiming them to be worshipful of the Lord God Almighty; holidays that are not commanded by God in his Law Word. Here Scripture tells us that God's "south hateth" such appointed feasts. This is quite appropriate today, because Thanksgiving is one holiday that is Scriptural - because it is not declared to be any Holy Day, but simply a day of Thanksgiving to God. Since we do not claim that our Thanksgiving holiday is Scriptural, it is not a sinful innovation, but simply a day of giving thanks to God. Scripture tells us that God "will not hear" the prayers of a sinful people with bloody hands until they repent and turn to God.

Isaiah 1:

"1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:

26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.

27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.

29 For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen.

30 For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth, and as a garden that hath no water.

31 And the strong shall be as tow, and the maker of it as a spark, and they shall both burn together, and none shall quench them."
14 posted on 11/22/2012 9:07:00 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: rhema

“Where is the William Wilberforce of our day?”

He just got his ass handed to him in Missouri.


15 posted on 11/22/2012 9:12:00 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: rhema

“Where is the William Wilberforce of our day?”

He just got his ass handed to him in Missouri.


16 posted on 11/22/2012 9:12:00 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“If the GOP wants conservatives to split off into a third party, this would be the way to do it. “

I think the elitists have driven the last stake into the heart of conservatives. Those who held their noses while voting for the elitists pick for a second time won’t be doing it again.


17 posted on 11/22/2012 9:12:55 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well, if Jesus returns soon, your vision may come to pass.

If he doesn’t, then you need the votes of the “abortion for rape or incest” voters in order to accomplish anything.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 9:20:12 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: rhema

The GOP has lost it’s bearings it’s not anchored in anything anymore and those in control are not sea worthy nor worthy of the vote of God fearing human beings !


19 posted on 11/22/2012 9:25:14 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (100% voted Obama in precincts in Ohio ? NOPE i don't believe it ! someone CHEATED !)
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To: rhema

>We believe ending legal abortion in our lifetime is possible

Yeah, staying home and allowing barry to appoint even more trash judges really assisted that goal.

Next election, don’t forget to insist that rape victims be required to follow your lead.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 9:25:20 AM PST by soycd
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To: Jim Noble
Dems could not in their wildest dreams come up with a more powerful way to strip republican candidates of their possible voters.

I don't have the latest count of dead babies at my fingertips, but slowing the rate will definitely not happen while obama and his ilk are re-elected.

The media will never help, and we simply do not have the numbers without some crossover.

21 posted on 11/22/2012 9:33:55 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: soycd

Romney ran against the party platform on abortion.

Romney ran on rape, incest and “HEALTH” which is abortion on demand, Romney was famously pro-abortion, from a pro-abortion family and background.

Your man sucked and lost to Jimmy Carter the II.

Don’t run a pro-abortion liberal from Massachusetts if you want to win the presidency.


22 posted on 11/22/2012 9:53:44 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: freeangel
Those who held their noses while voting for the elitists pick for a second time won’t be doing it again.

Instead of holding their noses, many simply stayed home. A lot of good this did for the pro-life movement.

I hope not a one of them bitches when Obama replaces Scalia. "Don't blame me! God would curse me if I voted for a RINO!" or "Don't blame me! I voted for Virgil Goode!" Yeah, they can STFU while judge "hack 'em up and suck 'em out" is getting sworn in to SCOTUS.

Yep. The pro-life movement is over. It's finished. Sure hope holding your nose continues to keep the stink out.

23 posted on 11/22/2012 10:31:09 AM PST by Drew68
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To: ansel12
Romney ran on rape, incest and “HEALTH” which is abortion on demand, Romney was famously pro-abortion, from a pro-abortion family and background.

Good thing he lost then, right? Now babies can be saved.

24 posted on 11/22/2012 10:33:01 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

“Let’s reject the guy who’s 75% conservative for the guy who’s 0% conservative.”
15% conservative, tops.


25 posted on 11/22/2012 10:35:54 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Drew68

If you care, then abandon your fighting for him during this process of preparing for 2014 and 2016.

That 2012 election is over, the choice now is, ‘is the mistake of Mitt, a thing of the past to learn from, or to duplicate’?


26 posted on 11/22/2012 10:40:39 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Jim Noble
Well, if Jesus returns soon, your vision may come to pass.

Phrased that way, it makes it appear that I myself am proposing that I've had special revelation of things to come - I am absolutely not making any such claim, and such a claim would be a sinful lie and heresy.

This is not "my vision", I'm simply pointing out what is in Scripture and quoting from it.

There is no "if" regarding the hand of God, as God is sovereign over his creation. We simply do not know what the future holds whereas God is the Author of history.

How soon America as a nation forgets - at our beginnings we spoke of how evident the hand of God was in our successes. And now, after generations of blessings bestowed on us, now we look to make an alliance with sin to continue those blessings. How unthankful.

Our governmental errors stem from the lack of an explicit reference to Christ as the basis of our Constitution, which, unfortunately, allows for heathen, pagan, idolatrous practices and for such practictioners to hold office. Of course, this is exactly what has been happening over the last few decades. If the people of America return to God and nationally covenant, such errors could be corrected. Either way, I certainly can't predict the future.

If he doesn’t, then you need the votes of the “abortion for rape or incest” voters in order to accomplish anything.

That's... well, interesting, given that this was exactly the stance Romney took - he appealed to those voters to get their votes.
27 posted on 11/22/2012 10:50:42 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: rhema

The GOP is stuck in an infinite stupid loop:

RUN “MODERATE”
LOSE ELECTION
BLAME CONSERVATIVES
MOVE LEFT
RUN “MODERATE” ...


28 posted on 11/22/2012 10:55:24 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Drew68; BlackElk
Let's reject the guy who's 75% conservative for the guy who's 0% conservative.

The author of RomneyCare who is in fact ??% conservative should have known better than to play scorched earth during the primaries with about half-a-dozen candidates. It is not just about keeping the conservatives in the party, it is also about attracting those independents and Democrats who themselves are socially conservative. They don't and won't trust the Romney types the deliver. I work in MADISON, WI. Plenty of pro-guys there even among the libs. Even socialist Bernie Sanders knows enough not to cross them. But Romney resembles John F. Kerry and his hunting license foray more than Reagan or Santorum.

I would love to throw those Wall Street-first types overboard for some lunch pail types. And they are out there. I'm okay with low taxes for corporations, but they are FIRST to throw everyone else in the coalition off of the bus, and then throwing it into reverse. In CT, it was the CBIA (CT Business and Industry Association) that BACKED Weicker's state income tax, playing a sniveling Dr. Smith, pleading, "tax them, not me!!" In like wise, these types not only want social conservatives to abandon the core issues, but they sneer as well. If you sneer back, they call it class warfare.

It could well be that the Jupiter 2 cannot find its way back home with Dr Smith on board. It may be time to form new coalitions, with new priorities.
29 posted on 11/22/2012 11:04:27 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ansel12
If you care, then abandon your fighting for him during this process of preparing for 2014 and 2016. That 2012 election is over, the choice now is, ‘is the mistake of Mitt, a thing of the past to learn from, or to duplicate’?

I've voted in every election since Nixon-McGovern, for RINOs and conservatives, holding my nose and not holding my nose.

Our last two-term Republican presidents were strong pro-lifers and strong defenders of moral rectitude. Our last two GOP Country Club-approved nominees have been milquetoast, nicety-nice gentlemen afraid of taking strong stands for anything other than economic and foreign-policy issues.

Two strikes, GOP country clubbers. Time to get out of the way.

30 posted on 11/22/2012 11:09:49 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The author of RomneyCare who is in fact ??% conservative should have known better than to play scorched earth during the primaries with about half-a-dozen candidates.

It isn't Romney's fault that conservatives fielded the most sorry-assed pathetic gaggle of losers ever to wallow in a GOP primary. It's little wonder he was able to steamroll over all of them.

31 posted on 11/22/2012 11:25:58 AM PST by Drew68
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To: ansel12

>Don’t run a pro-abortion liberal from Massachusetts if you want to win the presidency.

Agree 100%.

However, you don’t allow someone even worse than him to waltz back in to office. No excuse for not voting.

I really doubt Mitt would be bowing to the moslem scum and catering to the shiftless lazy bums voting for barry and his socialists.

Less evil is always better than pure evil.


32 posted on 11/22/2012 11:26:05 AM PST by soycd
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To: soycd

If you care, then abandon your fighting for him during this process of preparing for 2014 and 2016.

That 2012 election is over, the choice now is, ‘is the mistake of Mitt, a thing of the past to learn from, or to duplicate’?

So far your 2016 politics look just like your 2012 politics.


33 posted on 11/22/2012 11:28:36 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Drew68
It isn't Romney's fault that conservatives fielded the most sorry-assed pathetic gaggle of losers ever to wallow in a GOP primary. It's little wonder he was able to steamroll over all of them.

You must have missed out on the 1996 roster.

Have you never seen the primary pattern where one liberal takes out a pile of conservatives running at the same time? Do you think Romney would have gotten within smelling distance of the nomination were it not for his big pile of money, so he could smother the opposition before they left the gate?

Do you really think that Romney was the best candidate? If so, we were destined to lose, and may as well have put a conservative on the top of the ticket.


34 posted on 11/22/2012 11:57:08 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Drew68; Dr. Sivana; soycd; rhema; TBP; PieterCasparzen; ansel12; GenXteacher; freeangel; ...
Drew68:

Once Mittler was nominated, the die was cast. All that was left for conservatives was to wait for election day to determine whose destruction we would be celebrating when the votes were counted. Romney was destroyed. Yay!!! So was spineless and unprincipled money-grubbing posing as conservatism. Want the same result in 2016??? Nominate another babykiller as the GOP nominee. Nominate another supporter of fudge-packing posing as "marriage" as the GOP nominee. Nominate another polo club airhead yearning to farm the suckers of modest income as the GOP nominee. Let another election be wasted trying to protect Muffy's trust fund uber alles to the exclusion of all principled priorities.

This nation and your navy are likely to be ruled by Demonrats unless and until the GOP gets it through its privileged thick skulls that the life of even one unborn baby is worth infinitely more than Muffy's trust fund or her string of polo ponies or her "freedom" to murder the results of her next three social "mistakes." Likewise more important than privileged Brucie's desire to "marry" the nether end of Lance's digestive system and reap the tax benefits they crave.

The GOP will be the party of Western Civilization: moral values, martial virtue, fiscal prudence, self-defense, and the party to which ordinary Americans of modest means may repair, or it is the GOP that will die because it will be intentionally killed by pro-lifers, pro-marriage folks, and others who actually believe in what the GOP elitist airheads like Mittler CLAIM to believe but only to gull the suckers at election time.

What is good for the pro-life movement is to have one major party that is actually and thoroughly committed to the protection of innocent unborn human life. That can be the GOP or not as the GOP sees fit. If not, then the GOP should brace itself for the removal of its base. Most of us have had quite enough of the unprincipled Wall Street suckups who run the GOP through the application of their $$$$ during primary season. Conservatives will reject the GOP-E candidates in primaries and, if that fails, in general elections until the GOP figures this out or dies. It matters not which.

It is not the label of pro-life or of conservative or of the Right that is the damaged brand. It is the label of "Republican" that has rotted to the core and not just with left-wingers. I have no desire to be allied with accommodationist quislings and I have every confidence that I am not alone. Watching what Mittler did in the primaries with all that anonymous Wall Street cash, conservatives were not anxious to see what he would do with four years of federal budget expenditures to pay back his similarly corrupt cronies.

Romney has been destroyed! Now it is time for conservatives to join together and destroy Obozo and his Demonrats and those accommodationist quislings in the GOP (Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell, Cornyn, ad infinitum, ad nauseam) who are determined to sell their souls for the contributors of $$$$ as usual.

The roots of my being a pro-lifer are found in my Roman Catholicism. The enemies of my Church have been confidently predicting its demise since the very first century AD. They have been disappointed. It is by no means the only pro-life Church within Christianity. There are non-Christian churches that are pro-life (Try to find an abortion mill in Riyadh). There are even non-believers who are pro-life. The world and our nation got along nicely without the GOP before it was created and it will get along quite nicely without the GOP after it dies of lack of principle. After its death, it will be replaced by something far better than what we see today. Federalists, Whigs, GOP all obsessed with $$$$ and that was their fatal conceit.

35 posted on 11/22/2012 12:23:55 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Drew68
You speak of conservatives in such a way as to admit that you are not a conservative. Refreshing honesty, that!

OTOH, Romney's tactics got him steamrolled in November. Congrats!

36 posted on 11/22/2012 12:28:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: BlackElk

http://www.aprealrepublicans.com/what-is-a-real-republican.html


37 posted on 11/22/2012 12:29:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: ansel12

Dude, I had no say in putting moron mitt in the primary spot.
He wasn’t my choice.

The simple fact is that one either votes against the democrat party even if your principled hopeful is the one running.

Either vote against barry or be stupid.


38 posted on 11/22/2012 12:32:02 PM PST by soycd
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To: ansel12

Dude, I had no say in putting moron mitt in the primary spot.
He wasn’t my choice.

The simple fact is that one either votes against the democrat party even if your principled hopeful is the not the one running.

Either vote against barry or be stupid.


39 posted on 11/22/2012 12:32:19 PM PST by soycd
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To: ansel12

Dude, I had no say in putting moron mitt in the primary spot.
He wasn’t my choice.

The simple fact is that one either votes against the democrat party even if your principled hopeful is not the one running.

Either vote against barry or be stupid.


40 posted on 11/22/2012 12:32:19 PM PST by soycd
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To: soycd

Seriously, you’ve done enough damage in the past, quit campaigning for Mitt Romney, change your ways and help conservatives prevent another rino disaster from becoming the nominee in 2016, and in the 2014 elections.

That 2012 election is over, the choice now is, ‘is the mistake of Mitt, a thing of the past to learn from, or to duplicate’?

So far your 2016 politics look just like your 2012 politics.


41 posted on 11/22/2012 12:36:58 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Drew68

Drew68: “Yep! Social conservatives sure taught America a lesson. Let’s reject the guy who’s 75% conservative for the guy who’s 0% conservative.”

First off, Romney wasn’t even close to being 75% conservative. Secondly, millions of conservatives voted for him in spite of that.

What the moderates don’t seem to understand is it’s not enough to be better than the other guy. I even agree with you that a 75% conservative is better than Obama. So what? Millions more people sat the election out because we didn’t give them something to enthusiastically support. You don’t inspire people to vote by saying the other guy sucks. I guess a lot of people just didn’t find Mitt to be much of an alternative.


42 posted on 11/22/2012 12:49:12 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: BlackElk

IMHO...

The Democratic Party is the party that first began to institutionally oppose the morality given in Scripture. This began in earnest most notably in the 1960’s, as it’s liberal coalition began to accept 1960’s radicals. One of the Democratic Party core values, arising from their foundation on secular humanist moral relativism, is their advocacy for any and all sorts of sexual immorality, including fornication, to be viewed simply as legal recreation.

Support for fornication as a so-called right is why the Democratic Party finds itself also to be the party of abortion. Without rampant fornication, abortion is not popular, since few would then have reason to even consider it.

The Republican party can’t supplant this “branding”, since the Democratic party claimed it first. The Republican party, as the Democratic party slid into that immoral morass over the last few decades, never before tried to follow it.

The more the Republican party tries to embrace immorality, the less relevant they will become, appearing to the voter as the “me too” party of decadence trying to emulate the “original” party of decadence.

This is why, IMHO, I think it’s wisest for conservatives to spend their efforts working on spreading the Gospel - which will incidentally provide a conservative tailwind - than on supporting so-called moderate Republicans.


43 posted on 11/22/2012 1:51:26 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: rhema

It will be interesting to see who they put up this time, they did make Christie the key-note speaker at the convention while shutting out Palin entirely.

I think they are well on their way in shaping 2016.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 1:55:20 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Strategerist
Romney had more votes in Bible Belt states than Bush #2 did in 2004, and that’s with all the votes note yet counted, and including Texas, Bush’s home state.

The sorts of things you’d expect to see if there were millions of social conservatives rejecting RINOS simply don’t appear in the vote totals.

There you go again. Bringing inconvenient facts into the discussion.

45 posted on 11/22/2012 3:48:36 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Oak Grove
Poll: Evangelical Vote at Record High in Election

Wednesday, 07 Nov 2012

Evangelical voters reached a record high in Tuesday’s election, with 78 percent of white evangelicals supporting Republican Mitt Romney, a national survey has found.

The survey of 800 voters commissioned by the Faith and Freedom Coalition found that a record 27 percent of those who voted in the presidential election were evangelicals.

Romney’s 78 percent showing among white evangelicals was 10 points higher than Arizona Sen. John McCain’s in 2008.

“Evangelicals turned out in record numbers and voted as heavily for Mitt Romney yesterday as they did for George W. Bush in 2004,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of TK-based Faith and Freedom Coalition. “That is an astonishing outcome that few would have predicted even a few months ago.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/romney-evangelical-vote-obama/2012/11/07/id/463268

46 posted on 11/22/2012 4:02:28 PM PST by Ken H
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To: EternalVigilance
Noticed Rosanne Barr got more votes than you. Must suck to be beat by Mz Barr.

But, to be fair, you are in fact principled.

47 posted on 11/22/2012 6:13:59 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Drew68

Oh, wow. The Establishment put up a socialist, a lifetime abortion sympathizer, a Morman bishop whose only conservative cred was doing nice things for other Mormans, who annually tithed his four million, brought redistribution by way of health care to Massachusetts, and you get all warm and fuzzy over the Supreme Court affect on abortion, as your last arguement to blame real prolifers for not buying Romney’s schlick?

LOL!

You people drug a lot of us into the ballot box for this loser with the insults and the “sky is falling” mime.

Never again.

Done with the pubbies here, that’s for sure.

You will lose next time too if there is anyone who gets even near the nomination who isn’t conservative and owns a record to prove it.


48 posted on 11/22/2012 6:46:16 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I so agree that some of us got the heavenly sign this election. Two non-Christians as candidates was a hint, and then we see a political victory go to the proud Marxist, which was more than a hint. I got the message. With the Gospel, the good nominees will come. Without re-evangelizing th US, we will never see good nominees again.


49 posted on 11/22/2012 7:19:30 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
Ralph Reed said there was record evangelical support for Romney. Other polls I've seen agree with him.

How did Romney manage to attract record evangelical support?

50 posted on 11/22/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by Ken H
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