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Just How Deadly Is Assad's Arsenal? (Much Worse Than You Can Imagine)
Foeign Policy ^ | July 16, 2012 | John Reed

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:54:28 PM PST by lbryce

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To: cunning_fish; hannibaal; odds; Eleutheria5; kearnyirish2
I don’t remember any shouts form Assad about how bad joos are, no big or little satan quotes etc.

Which is why Obama wants Assad to go....

51 posted on 11/23/2012 2:35:08 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: darrellmaurina; Southack
Below are some links regarding Libya's weapons. Yes some stories are a year old... nothing ‘new’ as to who controls them now. My own personal opinion the reason Obama would not protect Americans in Benghazi, was he was ‘worried’ about a stray ‘weapon’ disrupting a big bad stockpile... No I cannot document my opinion it is just reading between the lines. Strangely it was after Benghazi when Panetta came out and announced he lost Syria's weapons.

Libya's Deadliest Weapons Not Yet Controlled

Published August 23, 2011

Associated Press

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Libyan rebels fear Gadhafi is preparing mustard gas

In this Thursday, April 21, 2011, photo, a Libyan rebel on horseback holds his weapon up during a march on behalf of prisoners of war and the missing in Benghazi, Libya. U.S. Sen. John McCain, one of the strongest proponents in Congress of the American military intervention in Libya, said Friday, April 22, 2011, that Libyan rebels fighting Moammar Gadhafi’s troops are his heroes.

Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s troops in and around the rebel-held western Libyan city of Misrata have been issued gas masks, a sign that the regime may be preparing to use chemical weapons, rebels told The Washington Times on Wednesday.

The regime is thought to have 9 tons of poisonous mustard gas at a secret desert location near Col. Gadhafi’s hometown, Sirte, multiple sources in Libya said.

In New York, a special prosecutor for the International Criminal Court appeared before the U.N. Security Council to describe what he called “evidence” of “widespread and systematic” attacks on civilians by Col. Gadhafi’s forces.

Rebels received what they called reliable eyewitness accounts from Misrata residents who reported seeing gas masks distributed to Col. Gadhafi’s forces, said Mohamed, a spokesman in Misrata who asked that his last name be withheld.

“We have alerted the town to that fact and what Gadhafi could be up to,” Mohamed said. “We don’t have gas masks. We don’t know how to deal with this, but we will defend our city with our lives.”

Over the past week, pro-Gadhafi forces have retreated to the town of Zliten, situated to Misrata’s west. The troops, which suffered heavy losses under a barrage of NATO airstrikes and rebel fire, are now being commanded by one of Col. Gadhafi’s sons, Al-Mutasim Gadhafi.

“Al-Mutasim is just as brutal as his father and quite capable of using chemical weapons,” said Moham

US concerned about security for mustard gas, chemicals in Libya

Proliferation analysts generally assess that Libya has close to 14 tons of mustard gas that it has not destroyed

U.S. military and intelligence officials are closely watching Libya's stockpiles of mustard gas and their precursor chemicals as the North African country descends further into civil war.

Proliferation analysts generally assess that Libya has close to 14 tons of mustard gas that it has not destroyed despite the announcement in 2003 that it would dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program.

“Obviously, the security of the Libyan stockpile of chemical weapons is a concern,” a U.S. intelligence official told The Washington Times.

“You could see a scenario where [Libyan dictator Moammar] Gadhafi takes troops away from these [stockpiles],” a Senate aide monitoring the situation in Libya said. “He could be pulling his security forces off of his missions, and bring them to Tripoli and Benghazi and other towns he needs to secure to hold on to his regime and, as a result, these facilities will be unguarded.”

On Wednesday, Libyans in the eastern part of the country celebrated their liberation from Col. Gadhafi and vowed to free the capital, Tripoli, where Gadhafi forces attacked protesters with heavy arms. In a rambling, nationally televised speech Tuesday, Col. Gadhafi vowed to die a “martyr.”

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Gaddafi’s Chemical Weapons Factory Found

The al-Sadd battalion was guarding the chemical weapons factory and warehouse. However, the battalion has since withdrawn to Misratah, leaving a stockpile of deadly weapons vulnerable to theft.

The current number of guards at the chemical weapons site, which contains 9 tons of mustard gas and dozens of barrels contaminated with chemicals, is just two men armed with Kalashnikov rifles.

Hamzah al-Shaibani, spokesman for the “17 February revolution committee” said in a telephone interview with Asharq al-Awsat yesterday that: “We appeal to the United Nations and the Transitional National Council to protect and secure the area, because it represents a grave danger.”

Al-Shaibani said that a pungent stench has engulfed the area surrounding the chemical weapons store, “as a result of a slight leak inside the warehouse which we are afraid might become worse.”

The sources added that the warehouse containing chemical weapons and mustard gas is located in an open area of al-Ruwadah Valley, and is currently unsecured.

“anyone can access these weapons, and take whatever they want. Anyone who says that he is a revolutionary is granted a permit to enter unaccompanied, and he can take whatever weapons he wants without supervision, and without recording what kind of weapons he takes, including chemical substances.”

Experts from the United Nations arrived shortly after the revolutionaries took control of the region. The experts discovered leak in the chemical weapons warehouse, and decided to send a full team in the near future. However, to date, this team has not arrived.

Leading up to the site, a sign simply reads: “No Entry… Mustard Gas and Chemicals.” There is no barbed wire or fences.

Panetta: We Lost Track of Syrian WMDs (September 28, 2012)

52 posted on 11/23/2012 2:35:23 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: piasa; hannibaal; cunning_fish
piasa The folks who attacked us on 9/11 have ties to Iran. - what are you talking about? All of them were Saudi nationals, all of them were Sunnis

Saudi sponsored and created the Taliban and AlQaeda

53 posted on 11/23/2012 2:36:40 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: piasa; hannibaal; cunning_fish
piasa these groups cannot work together against what they see as their ultimate common enemy.

To Sunnis, the "heresy" of Shias is worse than the beliefs of Christians or Jews

AlQaeda is irrevocably anti-Shia and by extension anti-Islam

al-Z hates the Shias and they would not work with them...

hizbullah, sponsored by Iran is fighting the Sunni jihadi rebels sponsored by AlQaeda and Saudia and Qatar

54 posted on 11/23/2012 2:40:29 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: F15Eagle
Assad is less evil than the jihadi Moslem brotherhood.

The Christians in Syria (10% to 20% of the population) would be slaughtered if the jihadis take over

55 posted on 11/23/2012 2:41:53 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Jumper
It is really too bad that conflict is central to mankind's existence and the history of nations is always a history of war.

Actually, not necessarily. I was reading the history of india by Kaye and pre-Islamic India didn't seem to have much of these conflicts

From what I understand their concept of warfare was a lot more ritual

56 posted on 11/23/2012 2:44:13 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

“’Iran which is a paper tiger in this case compared to the real threat of militant sunni islam. Israel is wiped off the face of the planet when it will be surrounded by sunni extremists.’”

Yawn. Remember the MB and their pal the Grand Mufti? And Hitler? Been there. Done it. Israel hasn’t survived this long simply because none of our neighbors were serious about wiping us out. They all were. But they all interfered with each others’ efforts, lied to each other, and crossed signals and moves.

“Exactly. Shia’ism is the milder form in comparison to Sunni’ism or Ibadi’ism.”

Sure. And Khomeini was a prime example of that mildness. There are two kinds of Shiasm these days, the Quietist followers of Ali AlSistani, and the Khomeinists, among whom are Muqtada AlSadr and Ali Khameini. The latters have discredited themselves, giving an opportunity by default to the Sistani Quietists, but being pro-democracy and in favor of a sort of separation between Mosque and State might yet do them in, leaving the door open for a return of the Khomeinists to ascendancy.

It accepts “local forms” and tolerates Persian culture

Sometimes. You never can tell with the bleeding barstids. Depends who is in what mood at what time.

57 posted on 11/23/2012 2:46:07 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
True, yet Shia'ism as is there now is less evil than the Sunnis of SAudia

They're both evil, but the best alternative is to keep them fighting, rather than having Sunnis win

58 posted on 11/23/2012 4:44:07 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Just mythoughts

Thank you...

59 posted on 11/23/2012 5:12:56 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: driftdiver
When I was in South Korea we were told at one point to expect 75% casualties because of these types of weapons.

Yep - they told us there were only weapons enough for about 20% of the base because after a first strike that's all that would be left.

60 posted on 11/23/2012 5:17:05 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: jmacusa

“No doubt. Todays chemical are not the kind used in the First World War. My late grandfather served in the Untied States First Gas and Flame regiment in WW1. He was wounded three types by gas and had a portion of one lung removed. Only one wound resulted from German gas, the other two were from his own units stuff that blew back on them.”

First, my thanks to the Grandfather for his service and sacrifice. Chemical warfare is pretty deadly stuff.

Many of the chemical agents still considered a threat today were first used in WWI. However, there are many new ones as well.

The ones mentioned in the article are the “Nerve Agents.” These are really just very potent insecticides. The kill by disrupting the operation of nerve cells (neurons) and causing a rigid paralysis of muscle...causing you to suffocate because you can no longer breath properly. What makes them so bad is that they require such a very small dose to kill.

61 posted on 11/23/2012 10:58:02 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

But it’s okay, because the Assad dynasty has always been so good to Syrian Christians.

[yes, I threw up a little]

Thanks lbryce.

62 posted on 11/23/2012 7:02:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: hannibaal

Yes. You watch from the sidelines and root for both sides to win.

I don’t think your take on Iran is correct though. They are looking via nukes and proxies to be the hegemon in the region.

63 posted on 11/23/2012 8:21:59 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: Sola Veritas

Check out ‘’mutagens’’. These are nightmarish. They affect genes and genetic structures in the body.

64 posted on 11/24/2012 3:06:22 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Cronos

Absolutely. Stir the pot. Trust neither.

65 posted on 11/24/2012 11:56:21 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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