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The GOP Turnout Myth ["Modest Minority-Voter Shifts" Needed]
Wall St. J ^ | November 22, 2012 | KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

Posted on 11/22/2012 5:38:02 PM PST by Steelfish

November 22, 2012 The GOP Turnout Myth To win future elections, Republicans will need more than better get-out-the-vote software. By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

To win the next presidential race, the GOP will have to understand what went wrong in 2012. To do that, they've got to come to grips with what did, and did not, happen with turnout.

Even as Republicans have engaged in some agonizing over their candidate and agenda, many have sought comfort in the notion that a big part of the loss came down to simple mechanics. President Obama had a stunning Election Day operation, which turned out his base. Mitt Romney's shop, by contrast, failed to get people to the polls. That explanation is soothing because it suggests that, in the future, all the GOP needs is a slicker piece of get-out-the-vote software.

It's also broadly wrong.

The turnout myth comes from a statistic that has been endlessly repeated: Mitt Romney got fewer votes than John McCain in 2008. This isn't quite true (Mr. Romney this week eked past the McCain totals), and in any event it is somewhat irrelevant. The Romney vote count reflects a nationwide voter turnout that was down nearly five percentage points from 2008. What matters is how the GOP did in the battleground states.

And there? Mr. Romney beat Mr. McCain's numbers in every single battleground, save Ohio. In some cases, his improvement was significant. In Virginia, 65,000 more votes than in 2008. In Florida, 117,000 more votes. In Colorado, 52,000. In Wisconsin, 146,000. Moreover, in key states like Florida, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia, Mr. Romney turned out even more voters than George W. Bush did in his successful re-election in 2004.

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1 posted on 11/22/2012 5:38:06 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

We already know what went wrong. The media and Obama convinced the youth, women, and minorities that the GOP hates them .... and they fell for it. Other wrongs ... voter fraud, Romney not calling out Obama on his lie about ending the Iraq war, the media ignoring the Libya incident ... among other things.


2 posted on 11/22/2012 5:47:15 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Steelfish
Blah blah woof woof...don’t run RINOs.
3 posted on 11/22/2012 5:48:06 PM PST by Happy Rain ("11/6/2012=Suffrage for the selfish and shiftless has damned America to socialist perdition.")
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To: Steelfish

The GOP had another problem. Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment and “Rev.” Mourdock taking it upon himself to preach on God’s will did nothing to help with another demographic group.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 5:48:56 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: al_c

That was a great summary. Of course it was the “single” woman. Married women went for Romney


5 posted on 11/22/2012 5:49:46 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
Populations have grown in the last four years but registrations have lagged.

Now about what Obama's peeps did ~ apparently very little. They had 69 million voters in 2008 ~ and they proceeded to lose about 10% of them in this election!

THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER!

Although a major loss like that wasn't a surprise to Conservative Republicans, the political model believed by the GOP-e simply couldn't deal with it.

Let me remind folks that Conservative Republicans told the GOP-e that it was time for a Conservative to run ~ not the hapless Mitt Romney whose performance in primaries and caucuses, and public standing polls hadn't improved in the 7 years overwhich he'd been campaigning.

It was time for a change, not more of the same, and with the Democrats getting ready to go belly-up, we needed someone who would secure our political positions throughout the Constitutional offices.

We weren't listened to; GOP-e gained an iron grip on the campaign fund sources; and the party flamed out ~ Mitt not only lost (with his vote totals not keeping up with simple population growth since McCain's run) he took down 23 senate seats!

6 posted on 11/22/2012 5:53:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Mitt not only lost (with his vote totals not keeping up with simple population growth since McCain's run) he took down 23 senate seats!

In the swing states Romney's vote total ALREADY beats McCain even with growth in the voting age population accounted for. And many swing states don't have final totals yet.

23 senate seats? Huh? Akin and Mourdock took themselves down, and in most states where Republicans lost senate seats Romney outperformed the Republican senate candidate.

7 posted on 11/22/2012 5:57:51 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Steelfish
Poll: Evangelical Vote at Record High in Election

Wednesday, 07 Nov 2012

Evangelical voters reached a record high in Tuesday’s election, with 78 percent of white evangelicals supporting Republican Mitt Romney, a national survey has found.

The survey of 800 voters commissioned by the Faith and Freedom Coalition found that a record 27 percent of those who voted in the presidential election were evangelicals.

Romney’s 78 percent showing among white evangelicals was 10 points higher than Arizona Sen. John McCain’s in 2008.

“Evangelicals turned out in record numbers and voted as heavily for Mitt Romney yesterday as they did for George W. Bush in 2004,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of TK-based Faith and Freedom Coalition.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/romney-evangelical-vote-obama/2012/11/07/id/463268

8 posted on 11/22/2012 6:00:34 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Strategerist
The news article is propaganda. Recall where the writer inserted: "a nationwide voter turnout that was down nearly five percentage points from 2008"?

The biggest chunk of decline was on Obama's side of the equation ~ not on the Republican side.

Obama had 69 million votes in 2008. 10% of those votes disappeared in 2012. McCain had 59 million votes in 2008. Republican turnout in 2010 is consistent with that turnout ~ except it doesn't fully account for population growth ~ and if you have data to the contrary, let's see the numbers!

Remember, the Democrats votes are coming from a hard won storehouse of Democrat voters, and the Republican votes are coming from a similarly hard won storeouse of Republican voters. There really aren't very many cross-overs in this.

Now about whether or not Romney was responsible for losing all those open or contested Senate seats ~ of course he was ~ much as if he'd be credited with coat-tails if they were won!

His supporters need to learn to take their lumps ~ this dude is not getting a third chance!

9 posted on 11/22/2012 6:10:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 103198
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10 posted on 11/22/2012 6:17:24 PM PST by 103198
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To: Steelfish

THe biggest problem the GOP had in 2012 was Barack Obama - black, young, and cool - that and the ‘rats super GOTV machine about maxed the vote of the young and minorities who’ve been voting for Democrats for years - but in much lower numbers - their turnouts will drop significantly when ‘rats return to running another old white guy, or even white gal, or maybe even minority, since the magic of underdog voting for the first time will be gone.......


11 posted on 11/22/2012 6:20:36 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Yes, Akin and Mourdock cost us at least two senate seats,
perhaps more. We all know that if Democrats had made
those remarks, it would have been barely mentioned if at all by the MSM. But it was conservatives that said it and we know the results. Some basic training for all Republicans running for office is absolutely necessary.
To start each candidate should read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals.”


12 posted on 11/22/2012 6:26:30 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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13 posted on 11/22/2012 6:26:40 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Steelfish

Obama convinced enough democrats to vote for him and Romney convinced enough republicans to stay home.


14 posted on 11/22/2012 6:35:53 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Steelfish

“The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.”

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html

“PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?
Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.”

“Since 1982, that Consent Decree has been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, now 88 years old. Long retired, Debevoise comes backyearly for the sole purpose of renewing his 1982 order for another year.”


15 posted on 11/22/2012 6:38:54 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Steelfish

In making these 2008 vs. 2012 comparisons, what gets me is that McCain had just about EVERYTHING going against him... an electorate absolutely sick of Bush and the GOP brand, a massive virtually-unprecedented economic collapse, and the tide-of-history wave promoting the first black president, further imprinted by the media as the epitome of ‘coolness.’

Romney, by comparison, actually had many things going for him; so much ammo to use... a wretched economy, high unemployment, Obama’s bowing-to-enemies foreign policy, outrageous scandals involving government malfeasance (Solyndra, etc.) or a hundred murdered Mexicans (Fast and Furious), the US losing its triple-A rating, etc., etc.,

I mean, good grief! Romney had so many more advantages! Yet to come out with either less or virtually the same number of votes as McCain?


16 posted on 11/22/2012 6:40:04 PM PST by greene66
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To: Steelfish

Here’s where the GOP went wrong - they pushed a lacluster candidate like Romney using one of the stupidest approaches ever - “He’s electable”. Clearly, he wasn’t.

There were many excellent choices early in the campaign but, too many Republicans voted for Romney (because “he’s electable”), instead of the candidate that they REALLY wanted to support.

So, since Romney was “so electable”, why isn’t he president-elect Romney today?


17 posted on 11/22/2012 6:48:43 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Strategerist
In the swing states Romney's vote total ALREADY beats McCain even with growth in the voting age population accounted for. And many swing states don't have final totals yet.

Hard to believe that the Romney crowd thinks that comparing 2008, when it was impossible for the GOP to win, to 2012, when it was impossible for the GOP not to win, makes any sense or carries a lot of weight.

A real candidate would have swept up the nation and soundly defeated the Carter the 2nd disaster called Obama.

Romney has always failed in politics, and his failure to motivate voters was widely predicted.

18 posted on 11/22/2012 6:54:36 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: muawiyah

The article is not propaganda. She clearly states that obama lost 10% of his support. Don’t be such a knee jerk reactionary. She’s also correct that it would not take much in the way of attracting minority votes to win future elections. Why doesn’t the GOP campaign in minority areas in various forms? Just shifting hispanics by 10 percentage points can make a huge difference.


19 posted on 11/22/2012 6:57:45 PM PST by Jake8898
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To: greene66
In making these 2008 vs. 2012 comparisons, what gets me is that McCain had just about EVERYTHING going against him... an electorate absolutely sick of Bush and the GOP brand, a massive virtually-unprecedented economic collapse, and the tide-of-history wave promoting the first black president, further imprinted by the media as the epitome of ‘coolness.’ Romney, by comparison, actually had many things going for him; so much ammo to use... a wretched economy, high unemployment, Obama’s bowing-to-enemies foreign policy, outrageous scandals involving government malfeasance (Solyndra, etc.) or a hundred murdered Mexicans (Fast and Furious), the US losing its triple-A rating, etc., etc.,

I mean, good grief! Romney had so many more advantages! Yet to come out with either less or virtually the same number of votes as McCain?

Exactly, and it worries me tremendously that the Romney crowd isn't shamed, or embarrassed, or humbled, they are merely marching on, determined to find the next Romney.

20 posted on 11/22/2012 7:00:39 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Steelfish
Using the sources below, I come up with 25.8M evangelical votes for Romney, 25.2M for McCain, and 21.9M for Bush in 2004.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008-exit-poll

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32793-2004Nov7.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004

21 posted on 11/22/2012 7:10:49 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Intolerant in NJ
'THe biggest problem the GOP had in 2012 was Barack Obama'

Correcto. More so the Obama buzzsaw than anything else.

The GOP was close with Mitt Romney! The Dems won't get numbers like this again for a while.

22 posted on 11/22/2012 7:14:42 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: al_c
The problem is demographics. Minorities are becoming a bigger and bigger portion of the electorate fueled by immigration and birthrates. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. Non-Hispanic whites now make up 66% of the population. By 2042 they will be 50%. Minorities and immigrants vote Democrat.

Every year that passes brings a new cohort of voters that are more Democrat while those dying each year are predominantly non-Hispanic whites and their ranks are not being filled behind them.

23 posted on 11/22/2012 7:17:17 PM PST by kabar
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To: Steelfish

2012 Election RINO File.


24 posted on 11/22/2012 7:18:11 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Steelfish

The greatest opportunity for the Republicans lies in suppression of the union vote. That’s going to happen, as public employee unions are going to find austerity measures at all levels of government are going to undermine their solidarity with other groups in the Democrat identity politics coalition. Federal workers are already moaning about their lack of COLA raises, etc. I don’t know the details on the Michigan vote , but the headline is that it was a big loss for the unions despite Obama’s win there. “Where are they going to go? To the Republicans?” Nope, just back to bed.


25 posted on 11/22/2012 7:48:59 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: muawiyah

a lot of counting still to be done.

most states have yet to certify

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true


26 posted on 11/22/2012 8:03:49 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: greene66

That’s because Romney highlighted the economy only and everything else from Benghazi to Fast and Furious to DNC delegates booing God and Obama’s embrace of gay marriage were all taken off the table. This gave Obama a free and open field.


27 posted on 11/22/2012 8:42:23 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Strategerist

The moderate in most states did no better. The problem was with the “brand” Even when they voted for Romney, they did not vote straight ticket.


28 posted on 11/22/2012 8:48:51 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ansel12

The Rockefeller republicans have dominated the party since Eisenhower, except for Goldwater and Reagan. Even Reagan was unable to restrain the growth of government. It became obvious when they joined in the discrediting of Palin and in their resentment of the Tea Party Movement. They will never give up their control of the Presidential nomination. That is, unless we can find candidates who will take them on.


29 posted on 11/22/2012 8:57:51 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: gusopol3
The greatest opportunity for the Republicans lies in suppression of the union vote.

While I do not doubt that, I think suppression of a couple of other voting blocs would be in order:

The dead, the double voter, the nonexistent voter, the fraudulent voter...just for a beginning.

For Obama to carry any district 100% is statistically unlikely (someone would mark the wrong spot on the ballot out of that many people, even if they all intended to vote for Obama).

For him to carry several districts (all in battleground states) with 100% is beyond being suspect, it's obvious.

30 posted on 11/22/2012 9:01:50 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Ohhh, I’m with you on that. We need drones over these precincts on election day. Plus I’m sure the reason why Nate Silver has such Nostrodamus-level prophecy skills is that the Obama camp forwards him their quotas for each precinct and he knows the on-the-ground community organizers are going meet those goals by any means necessary. I wonder how many electrical hook-ups there are in some of those 108% turn out, 10,000 vote precincts.


31 posted on 11/22/2012 9:12:29 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Steelfish

If Republicans bend over and vote to deliver the
“holy grail” amnesty, that Hispanics have been demanding,
it will be a big mistake.

Hispanics will smile sweetly, say “Gracia’s”, and then go
vote 71%, in 2016, for another Democrat president.

And Rubio won’t fix that.


32 posted on 11/22/2012 9:47:41 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

“Hispanics will smile sweetly, say “Gracia’s”, and then go
vote 71%, in 2016, for another Democrat president.”

What did George Dubya’s “outreach” to Hispanics (whatever that means) profit him at the ballot boxes?
Zilch!

And just what is an Hispanic? Is it any person having a surname of supposedly Spanish origin/derivation? Such people have cultural/ancestral roots in any one or more of a dozen of more countries? Do they somehow, miraculously, all share similar political philosophies and passions?

Or are Republicans to focus on mollifying the “unrestricted flow of invaders across our southern border” crowd? Cannot compete with the Dems on that point.


33 posted on 11/22/2012 10:06:26 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: NeverForgetBataan

“Hispanics will smile sweetly, say “Gracia’s”, and then go
vote 71%, in 2016, for another Democrat president.”

What did George Dubya’s “outreach” to Hispanics (whatever that means) profit him at the ballot boxes?
Zilch!

And what is an Hispanic? Is it any person having a surname of Spanish origin/derivation? Such people have cultural/ancestral roots in any one or more of a dozen of more countries? Do they somehow, miraculously, all share similar political philosophies and passions?

Or are Republicans to focus on mollifying the “unrestricted flow of invaders across our southern border” crowd? Cannot compete with the Dems on that point.


34 posted on 11/22/2012 10:39:26 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: DustyMoment
EXACTLY! The GOP destroyed our Republican Candidates early on that would have tried to fix whats broken... WASHINGTON! I guess it makes no difference in reality, because Romney still won my state of Arizona, but 3 people I know that ALWAYS support the Republican candidate, changed that this year... One skipped voting all together, for the first time in almost 50 years, One voted for Obama (said could not ever vote for any Morman after being screwed over by every one he ever met, including the one he was married to) and the third, did what my wife and I had planned to do, Leave that vote blank... We really did not want to vote for the lesser of two evils any more, but in the end, We held our nose and connected the arrow to Romney & voted FOR America instead. so, 4 years ago, that was 5 votes for McCain, that was only 2 votes for Romney this year, plus my Daughter who turned 21 and Voted for Romney too... So the total numbers may be close, but I am betting this pattern probably repeated itself, all over the country and there were alot of additional republican voters that did not vote 4 years ago that made this end up as close as it was, with the right candidate, and a complete turnout, Obama would not have stood a chance.
35 posted on 11/22/2012 11:17:33 PM PST by AzNASCARfan
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I still say that Romney lost when crowley backed up obamas lie about benghazi in the 2nd debate. Had she not, Romney would have won that debate just like the 1st one, and his momentum would have been unstoppable.

I believe that was planned, how else did obama know that crowley would have the transcript that obama asked for?


36 posted on 11/23/2012 3:50:41 AM PST by weezel
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To: AzNASCARfan
So the total numbers may be close, but I am betting this pattern probably repeated itself, all over the country and there were alot of additional republican voters that did not vote 4 years ago that made this end up as close as it was, with the right candidate, and a complete turnout, Obama would not have stood a chance.

You totally lost me. Could you restate that?

37 posted on 11/23/2012 4:20:10 AM PST by Ken H
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To: greene66
I mean, good grief! Romney had so many more advantages! Yet to come out with either less or virtually the same number of votes as McCain?

Who are the missing Republican voters? Evangelicals gave record support to Romney, so it had to be some other group that sat it out.

38 posted on 11/23/2012 4:26:43 AM PST by Ken H
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To: stylin19a

They’ll get there soon enough. Maybe even Oregon.


39 posted on 11/23/2012 4:32:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jake8898
She said there was a general 5% drop off ~ but she did not say that occurred ONLY among Democrats. Leaving the reader to believe there was a "general" phenomenon that was actually only a "Democrat" phenomenon is what turned the piece into propaganda.

Republican strength was hardly off 5%, or even 1% ~ and as others pointed out here in some places it was up from 2008.

40 posted on 11/23/2012 4:35:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Because what ought to scare the GOP is this: Even with higher GOP turnout in key states, even with Mr. Obama shedding voters, Democrats still won. Mr. Obama accomplished this by tapping new minority voters in numbers that beat even Mr. Romney's better turnout.
In Florida, 238,000 more Hispanics voted than in 2008, and Mr. Obama got 60% of Hispanic voters. His total margin of victory in Florida was 78,000 votes, so that demographic alone won it for him. Or consider Ohio, where Mr. Romney won independents by 10 points. The lead mattered little, though, given that black turnout increased by 178,000 votes, and the president won 96% of the black vote. Mr. Obama’s margin of victory there was 103,000.
This is the demographic argument that is getting so much attention, and properly so. The Republican Party can hope that a future Democratic candidate won't equal Mr. Obama’s magnetism for minority voters. But the GOP would do far better by fighting aggressively for a piece of the minority electorate.
And that, for the record, was the GOP’s real 2012 turnout disaster. Elections are about the candidate and the message, yes, but also about the ground game. Republicans right now are fretting about Mr. Romney's failures and the party's immigration platform—that's fair enough. But equally important has been the party's mind-boggling failure to institute a competitive Hispanic ground game. The GOP doesn't campaign in those communities, doesn't register voters there, doesn't knock on doors. So while pre-election polling showed that Hispanics were worried about Obama policies, in the end the only campaign that these voters heard from—by email at their door, on the phone—was the president's”

Summary : Obama got out the minority vote. Romney assumed that he could win with a simple majority of the white vote alone, something the electoral map shows will not be possible any longer for POTUS. Republicans have no strategy to get any of these other voters or at least keeping them from voting D.

I posted this problem many times before this election.

41 posted on 11/23/2012 4:48:51 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: Steelfish

Isn’t the Wall St Journal,one of those propaganda organs responsible for contributing to the mess we’re in? While the GOP-e might want their advice, and even take it, I doubt there’s much good or use in it for Flyover Country.


42 posted on 11/23/2012 4:55:30 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: sickoflibs
Here's the tricky spot in your own analysis ~ not all the white people voted. Not all the white Republicans voted. Not all the white Democrats voted.

You win by getting your voters out ~ not by getting the broad demographics of the population out to vote.

Be very careful dealing with the statistical arguments that tell us we have to kiss latino tush!

They will mix statistics regarding VOTERS with POPULATION statistics ~ and those are two different items.

43 posted on 11/23/2012 5:07:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish; All

The GOP can forget winning the Presidency if they adopt liberal strategies like Illegal Alien Amnesty...Pandering for Hispanic Voters....and running a Amnesty Liberal like Marco Rubio

For every 1% of the white vote the GOP gets....they will need about 9% of the Hispanic vote to match that. Going after the white vote with solid conservative ideas and principles...and not pandering to ethnics....will win elections


44 posted on 11/23/2012 5:29:14 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: Jake8898; All

The article is not propaganda. She clearly states that obama lost 10% of his support. Don’t be such a knee jerk reactionary. She’s also correct that it would not take much in the way of attracting minority votes to win future elections. Why doesn’t the GOP campaign in minority areas in various forms? Just shifting hispanics by 10 percentage points can make a huge difference.


Pandering to Hispanics = Illegal Alien Amnesty, More Big Government

The GOP would be better off attracting 1.5% of the white vote than 10% of the Hispanic vote. A lot easier to do...without compromising core values

Anyone pushing “GOP needs minority votes” is really just pushing Illegal Alien Amnesty and more Government programs. Simple math dispels the “GOP needs more Hispanic voters” myth


45 posted on 11/23/2012 5:34:59 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: al_c

Romney should have hammered Obamski on Benghazi during 2nd and 3rd debates...but chose to ignore to appear safe and nice for the mushie middle.

Romney lost his chance to communicate directly to the electorate and bypass the marxist media’s hiding the treasonous story.

Romney NEVER uttered the word “Socialism”.

And finally, due to his RomneyCare, he could not truly attack ObamaCare’s socialism.


46 posted on 11/23/2012 5:34:59 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: newfreep

Agreed. But there was one small area in the Romneycare v Obamacare debate where Romney could’ve won some votes .... show a size comparison of the two bills. Romneycare was less than 100 pages while Obamacare was how many?


47 posted on 11/23/2012 5:53:43 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: RobbyS

Sometimes one just has to face the truth, the Republican Party is not just stupid, it’s as corrupt as the Rat Party! We actually had almost no choice between the fascist or the corporatist....same old crappy candidates!


48 posted on 11/23/2012 7:02:30 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: SeminoleCounty

You don’t have to accept amnesty to attract Hispanics. just email, snail mail them the Republican positions that they have in common with us. Jobs, Low taxes, education reforms and social issues.


49 posted on 11/23/2012 7:55:06 AM PST by Jake8898
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To: al_c
But there was one small area in the Romneycare v Obamacare debate where Romney could’ve won some votes .... show a size comparison of the two bills. Romneycare was less than 100 pages while Obamacare was how many?

You're right! I didn't even know that. Along with his defense of states rights, this would've been a great comparison/explanation of RomneyCare vs 0Care.

And attacking 0 on Benghazi, socialistic policies, war ending promises, etc. as hard as he hit Newt and Santorum would've been severely helpful.

50 posted on 11/23/2012 8:44:13 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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