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Porn one of the greatest threats to Christianity
Life Site News ^ | 11/21/2012 | Shane Morris

Posted on 11/23/2012 3:42:45 AM PST by IbJensen

November 21, 2012 (Breakpoint.org) - Pornography is out there, and it’s not going away any time soon. So to help your kids guard against it, you have to prepare them. According to Josh McDowell, author of books including “Evidence which Demands a Verdict” and “More Than a Carpenter,” who has turned his attention of late to the devastation of pornography on our culture and the Church, this may rank among the greatest threats to Christianity we’ve ever seen.

Explaining why he decided to tackle the issue of pornography, Josh said in an interview with John Stonestreet of Breakpoint how he sensed a barrier to his apologetic work which had nothing to do with the Faith itself.

“I am an apologist,” says Josh. “I set forth positive reasons why to believe, in order to see young people come to Christ. But about five or six years ago, I kept sensing that there’s a problem out there. When I would interact with young people, something had become a barrier. I realized it was intrusive and pervasive sexual immorality and pornography on the internet. As an apologist, the one thing that can undermine everything that I teach is not in the area of apologetics, it’s in the area of morals. If you don’t deal with this issue, you won’t fulfill your role as a biblical apologist.”

Josh’s son, Sean McDowell, who is the head of the Bible Department at Capistrano Valley Christian College, as well as an author, speaker and apologist in his own right, works with youth full time. In that process, Sean has gathered a litany of sad stories of apparently model Christian young men and women who have fallen into the trap set for them by a culture saturated with sex and lust.

And that’s just the problem. The first points Josh and Sean McDowell hope to communicate to parents, pastors and teachers is that in today’s world, most children and students aren’t looking for pornography. “Pornography is looking for them,” says Josh. “Of those teenagers who have seen pornography, between seventy-eight and ninety-one percent were never looking for it. Researchers show that thirty-eight percent of those will become addicted.”

“How big of a deal is this for the body of Christ right now?” asks John Stonestreet.

“Well, the stats which I have documented,” explains Josh, “show that upwards of fifty percent of pastors struggle with pornography. Sixty-two percent of men who attend evangelical churches regularly struggle with pornography, and upwards of sixty-five to sixty-eight percent of teenagers. This is probably the greatest threat to the cause of Christ in two thousand years of church history, because it so undermines your life, your walk with Christ and your beliefs. My fear is that many pastors are not addressing it because they’re involved in it. Somehow, we’ve got to get the leadership in the body of Christ addressing this.”

“Give us some specifics,” says John. “How does it undermine Christians? How does it undermine Christian growth, how does it undermine marriages?”

“Apart from shame and loneliness,” explains Josh, “[pornography] produces a question about the authority of the Scriptures, of Christ, of the Resurrection, of the Church and of parents. It starts to darken the door of the brain to consider truths of the Christian faith. One you become involved in pornography, it takes over all your thinking, your morals, and your life. You have to understand: pornography just takes over your life. It takes over your relationships—your view of people, of women of children. And as a result, it doesn’t leave room for your walk with Christ. You can’t become involved with pornography and have a healthy walk with Christ.”

That, says Josh, is why he’s launched “Just 1 Click Away,” a website devoted to networking the old and young with resources and help. Sean McDowell gives a lecture at Summit Ministries which echoes the message of “Just 1 Click Away.” In it, he draws from the work of Drs. Joe McIlhaney Jr. and Freeda McKissic Bush in their groundbreaking book, “Hooked,” in which they describe how pornography and sexual promiscuity actually change the physical structure and chemistry of our brains, making it more difficult to love, bond and have sexual relationships with our spouses.

Another critical issue which the McDowells seek to address with this new campaign against pornography is the dreaded task parents have of educating and preparing their children. Both Josh and Sean discourage any hope that our children will be among the lucky few who never encounter pornography. Statistically speaking, say the McDowells, that’s a non-existent group.

“Your kids will encounter pornography,” says Josh. “It’s so sad, but it’s true.” We can take away internet, television and smart phones from our children and students, but these measures will barely stem the tide of pornographic images and themes which bombard them from other sources we cannot control, such a friends and classmates. Even if we isolate our kids and teens from the outside world, they will still become adults and have to confront all at once the sexual culture we tried to stifle. Our job as parents and mentors, believes Josh, must now be to focus on preparing our children to respond in a godly way when faced with pornography.

That’s why at “Just 1 Click Away” the McDowells have sought not only to expose the problem, but also to provide resources and training for parents and adults on how to open the channels of conversation with their children early, how to forearm them to face the battle ahead, and how to ultimately and consistently say “no” to the dehumanizing, degrading influence of our culture’s worst addiction.


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Satan, and this evil central socialist government, has its claws in our families and is tearing apart our society. It all happend so slowly a little at a time. We need to turn back to prayer and God praying that this nation will return to the values that are not only pleasing to God, but will result in happy, well=adjusted families.
1 posted on 11/23/2012 3:42:52 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

he is right, porn destroys all. you might think watching will just add a little kick to your married sex life but it will destroy it.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 4:02:07 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: IbJensen

Magazines, tv commercials...food, cars, shampoo, toothpaste...you name it. Everything is about sex. We have become so desensitized..drip by drip.
Indeed, evil is rampant.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 4:05:05 AM PST by FES0844
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To: IbJensen

The thing I wonder is teen kids these days have their noses stuck in thier “phones” they aren’t just texting they aren’t just facebooking...

I have noticed that they get MAD if you tell them to put the “phone” down and communicate with the family or friends...

Porn is addicting and if you can’t get your “jones” you tend to get grumpy.. that’s all I’m saying.. Josh McDowell is prolly onto sumpin.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 4:11:54 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: FES0844
Magazines, tv commercials...food, cars, shampoo, toothpaste...you name it. Everything is about sex. We have become so desensitized..drip by drip.

Yup. I've seen ads for vibrators on TV. Within five years, we're going to be swamped with TV ads showing homos buying wedding rings, buying furniture for their apartment, etc.

5 posted on 11/23/2012 4:16:08 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: IbJensen

You’ve got it backwards.

It’s Christianity that’s a threat to porn.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 4:20:06 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble

That is an excellent statement: “It’s Christianity that’s a threat to porn.”

Swap out “porn” and replace it with any sin. Thanks for a powerful truth for contemplation this morning.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 4:35:44 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

That’s HGTV. Already here. And it used to be one of my favorite channels c


8 posted on 11/23/2012 4:36:38 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Carthego delenda est

Real Christianity is the most powerful force in the world today.

American followers of Churchianity are going to have to wake up to their gross apostasy and get with the program.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 4:40:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: yldstrk

You’re absolutely right. Porn ended my 20 year marriage. I couldn’t even stand to hug my husband after a while because he so grossed me out. They get abusive when their hopped on porn all the time, too.


10 posted on 11/23/2012 4:41:50 AM PST by Cherokee Conservative (If a tree falls over in the woods, and then snaps back upright as a joke, do the squirrels laugh?)
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To: IbJensen
In a way, porn is a chemical addiction (an addiction to those chemicals released into the pleasure center of the brain when one is aroused by porn).

Christianity is most likely the only way to break that addiction. The reason for this is that Christianity reveals the addiction and its destructive ways...and then offers the means of liberation from that Satanic trap (Christ's offer of Salvation and Liberation from sin).

11 posted on 11/23/2012 5:05:37 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: Mamzelle

Now we know what the H and G really stand for.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 5:07:25 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: IbJensen

The problem is much much worse than this.

Young people are not only exposed to it, but many are putting up pictures of themselves.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 5:22:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (There goes the dominoes...)
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To: IbJensen; Jim Noble

Don’t know about its being one of the greatest threats to Christianity, but to true Christians, it certainly would be a threat to one’s own purity (condition) and godliness (living) in the sight of our Lord. Seems to me that porn is a greater threat to those who are under Satan’s domain, tightening the grip that sin already has on the unbeliever.

Seems to me that the love of money (idolatry) is the root of all sorts of evil, as the Bible says, porn being one of the “all sorts of evil.”

Although it may seem like the “god of this world” is winning, that is not the truth. Revelation 12:7-12 describes his being thrown down to the earth at the end time and Revelation 20:1-3 & 7-10 describe the events leading up to and including his end. Until then the Bible says that sin and lawlessness will increase on the earth.

What should the Christian do? It’s on an individual basis: Confess and forsake sin, evil of all kinds, no matter how “small” the sin may seem. Flee from idolatry. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Be on the alert. Proclaim the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to this world of darkness. Yes, you will be persecuted and hated for doing so...increasingly so, as we are today witnessing. Our home is in heaven and He will come for us in His perfect timing. And an end is coming and the King of kings and Lord of lords is coming, described in Revelation 19:11-16.

What should the unbeliever do? Believe the truth—the gospel, the “good news” of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. He died to set people free from the bondage of sin, from death, and from the devil.

There is a life to live that honors God and His Christ, and God will empower us to live that life through His Holy Spirit, who is given to every person who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. That life is lived through our faith (believing Him and His words) and in the power of the Holy Spirit, who indwells believers permanently. We have been granted all things in Christ! Look up, believers! He is coming!


14 posted on 11/23/2012 5:27:12 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: RoosterRedux

You’re right, Rooster.

The development of porn in one’s brain is almost exactly what creates a homosexual or lesbian.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 5:30:38 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

These comments prove that you’re no turkey!


16 posted on 11/23/2012 5:32:03 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Yep.

In fact some psychiatrists have suggested that homosexuality is really nothing more than a type of sexual addiction (one that started in some cases in pre-adolescence...i.e. before clear gender/sexual identification).

17 posted on 11/23/2012 5:48:55 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: IbJensen

This article surely has merit ,, but I believe 0bama and his minions are the biggest threat to Christianity today .


19 posted on 11/23/2012 7:03:49 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Ed Story

I hope you enjoy your stay here on FR, it won’t be a long one.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 7:04:36 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: IbJensen; TurkeyLurkey; Jim Noble

Check out #18


21 posted on 11/23/2012 7:07:52 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Ed Story
"Let me see...would I prefer my boys watching a bunch of guys and gals happily banging away at each other, doing what God, Nature, or The Great Pumpkinhead designed them for...or...watching in bunch of incompetent politicians with a power agenda pounding the podium to fire up our children to go off to invade another innocent country and slaughter its citizens, and very probably be killed themselves...while those same politicians sat back in plus room enjoying their power lunches?"

Politicians get away with the many of the things they do precisely because too many people fail to watch them. The people have their porn, their American Idol, their NFL channel, their bread and circuses. If citizens of this nation invested half as much time and interest in keeping an eye on their politicians as they did their shiny little distractions, this nation would be in far better shape.

22 posted on 11/23/2012 7:09:22 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cherokee Conservative

Yes. Porn addiction makes men abusive. It makes them hit and hurt women. The writer of this article forgot to add that. And it’s a serious problem.


23 posted on 11/23/2012 7:09:54 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: Ed Story

Hello Ed,

You posted, “And, if I remember my history, Christianity not too very long ago dictated. . .”

You have been misled. Satan has twisted Scripture into what you posted but that is not God’s Word. I will pray for you that your eyes will see the Truth.

tl


24 posted on 11/23/2012 7:25:05 AM PST by Tomato lover (God is in control)
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To: Ed Story

Oops. You’re on the wrong thread.

Athiests and porno sycophants belong on the DU website.


25 posted on 11/23/2012 7:26:44 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I did, Ron and suggested that he’s on the wrong thread, let alone the wrong website.

The last time I checked FR is a Conservative, Christian-Judeo website that caters to real men who don’t have to watch other people fluking. (last word coined in honor of Sandra Fluck.)


26 posted on 11/23/2012 7:29:04 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Rightly Biased
Porn is addicting and if you can’t get your “jones” you tend to get grumpy.. that’s all I’m saying.. Josh McDowell is prolly onto sumpin.

Pr0n? Addicting? Feh.

Now Free Republic, that's *really* addicting.

Cheers!

27 posted on 11/23/2012 7:35:22 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: IbJensen

I’m amazed at some of the posts I’ve been seeing here lately with no word or action from the mods.

Check this one out from a couple of days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2961669/posts?page=56#56


28 posted on 11/23/2012 7:35:29 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: IbJensen

Glad to hear Josh is tackling this......he is dead-on target.....

I remember a story about David Wilkerson, when a man next to him on a flight saw him reading the Bible said, “I don’t believe that garbage...”

David said in response, “That means there is a moral sin in your life that you will not give up no matter what. Your rejection of scripture tells me that. Because if you dared to accept the authority of scripture, that means you’d have to accept its judgment of your sin and turn from it. And you are not willing to do that.” (or something close to that).

The man told David, “You are right.”

Porn is more addictive than any drug known, and more destructive. Destroys almost all normal human relationships as well as marriage. Men addicted to porn cannot love a woman with a self-less, sacrificial love as commanded in Ephesians.

Josh is 100% right in seeing it as the #1 enemy of both the gospel and Christians.....let’s pray his ministry in this area has impact and is effectual....


29 posted on 11/23/2012 7:37:07 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Ed Story
my history, Christianity not too very long ago dictated that a ‘married couple only’, of the same race, and the same religion, could partake of sex ONLY to procreate...NOT for fun...and then ONLY in a ‘permissible’

Precisely. This hangup about porn and sex is part of what is costing us elections so real evil can persist.

Not directly connected with porn, but similar idea of prissy fuddy duddys were exposed by Senator Aiken of VT before, VT was overrun by leftists.

He was a Republican.

The VT legislature was debating a law to outlaw skinny dipping.

Sen. Aiken came back from Washington just to testify on this bill.

He simply asked the legislators who had never skinny dipped to raise their hands.

No hands were raised, the bill failed.

Seeing how many "Christian" "leaders" have been caught with their you-know-what in the honey pot and knowing how most folks tend to behave, I'll bet many of those who thump the most against porn are taking a good gander themselves.

If we ever want to win another nationwide election, this is one topic we will drop.

30 posted on 11/23/2012 7:39:15 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger
Having said the above, porn should be porn and the rest of media should be cleansed of it. Sex on regular TV, commercials, and other media should go.

I don't know how you constitutionally do this, but somehow pressure other than governmental should be applied to get it out of everyday life.

31 posted on 11/23/2012 7:43:42 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger

You cannot rely on politicians to do anything about this....government is not the answer, it is up to the people themselves to do something about it, looking to Washington to solve it isn’t the answer.


32 posted on 11/23/2012 7:43:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ed Story; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; TheOldLady
Let me see...would I prefer my boys watching a bunch of guys and gals happily banging away at each other, doing what God, Nature, or The Great Pumpkinhead designed them for...or...watching in bunch of incompetent politicians with a power agenda pounding the podium to fire up our children to go off to invade another innocent country and slaughter its citizens, and very probably be killed themselves...while those same politicians sat back in plus room enjoying their power lunches?

SNIFF.

Sounds like *your* sex life is inspired by Star Wars.

"Han Solo".

And, if I remember my history, Christianity not too very long ago dictated that a ‘married couple only’, of the same race, and the same religion, could partake of sex ONLY to procreate...NOT for fun...and then ONLY in a ‘permissible’ coital postion, and those who violated these dictates were doomed to HELL...after they had been branded and ran out of town.

Ever hear of Lawrence v. Texas? Nice lefty fear-mongering on your part.

And even at that -- it beats incest as practiced by that Columbia University Professor (read the Huffington-Puffington Post readers' comments); or sex with animals as advocated by Princeton's Peter Singer; or drugging and raping 13-year-old girls not being "rape-rape" as in Whoopi Goldberg on Roman Polanski.

33 posted on 11/23/2012 7:46:48 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: squarebarb
Porn addiction makes men abusive. It makes them hit and hurt women.

Any guy who does this was sick to begin with. He might be blaming porn for his behavior, but that's just his way of holding himself blameless.

He needs severe punishment so he never even thinks of abusing a woman again.

Second offense, firing squad or sword.

34 posted on 11/23/2012 7:52:10 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: IbJensen

It would be far better to address the underlying reason that people are attracted to pornography: that as children and even as adults, they are disconnected from their peers of the opposite gender.

If you raise a dog apart from other dogs, it will still want to mate, but it will not know how to relate to other dogs, and see them as outsiders or enemies. Why should people be any different?

America has no effective way to socialize children of opposite genders in a chaperoned situation. Most people assume that such socialization happens either in school or in church, but it does not, because in both those places, adults ensure that children are kept busy doing other things. By the time of high school, or even junior high school, it is too late.

The way things are today, children are segregated until they are adults, then it is expected of them to “get a job, find a spouse, have children and live happily ever after.”

Of these, even getting a job is a huge obstacle, unless you are mentored, apprenticed or interned, etc. And yet you are expected to meet a stranger, develop a relationship, understand and relate to them enough to form a bond that lasts a lifetime, without experience or help? Oh, you should be able to do that in a few months.

Psychologically it is even worse than that. If a child is raised in a two parent family, as a bare minimum they at least have some exposure to their parents relationship as an example, though it is a third part exposure. But for a child raised by a single parent, they have nothing.

It is no surprise that people accept a dehumanized caricature of the other gender? What is pornography but that? No relationship, just lust and sex and go your separate ways. Certainly nothing approaching love or commitment, a lasting relationship or with reproduction in mind.

And it all goes back to young children having no idea about how the opposite gender thinks and feels, how they do things, what are their likes and dislikes, etc.

Such socialization must be forced, because if left to their own devices, children will self segregate by gender. But it must also be carefully chaperoned so that boys and girls do not bully each other, either.

But it is a cultural prerogative to bring this about, because otherwise you see what we have today: pornography, divorce, single parenthood, great ignorance and unhappiness with the other gender, abuse and mistreatment.


35 posted on 11/23/2012 8:44:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Ed Story

The Ed show..is that you?


36 posted on 11/23/2012 9:04:05 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: IbJensen

Here is a little of the lefts anti-Christian agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that modern science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography, openly, to the public at large, zero restrictions.


37 posted on 11/23/2012 9:20:29 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Ed Story; IbJensen; Las Vegas Ron; Tomato lover

“...doing what God, Nature, or The Great Pumpkinhead designed them for”

You will ultimately realize that the One you despise and insult is Holy and will recompense you according to your ways and deeds—unless you repent and turn to His only provision for the forgiveness of your sins and receive His Son (and His righteousness) through faith.

Christians who read your words will be praying for you.


38 posted on 11/23/2012 9:25:59 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; IbJensen; All

“It would be far better to address the underlying reason that people are attracted to pornography”...

The underlying reason or reasons that you give are foolish words.

God, our Creator, says in His Word, the Bible, that man has a sin problem. He tells about how the first man (Adam & Eve) came to be dead (spiritually) in his trespasses and sins when he, as our federal head, sinned in the garden of Eden. Since that terrible day “all who are born in Adam” die physically and come into this world spiritually dead.

God has give the remedy for both the sinner and the sins he commits—it is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and whoever believes in Him (porno-lover, adulterer, homosexual, i.e., sinner) shall have eternal life. And eternal life is Jesus Himself. If He is in you, you are a new creation and have a new way of living in the power of His Holy Spirit, because Jesus is righteous. You only need to study His Word, believe His truth, and act on it in the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit, and you will not stay a homosexual, an adulterer, a porno-lover, etc.

From 1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall interit the kingdom of God.

And the next verse, to true believers (true Christians, not just professing Christians):

V. 11 And such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.


39 posted on 11/23/2012 9:48:39 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Sorry, disconnected Biblical invectives fail when, as it were, the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

That is, children raised without socialization have similar problems, be they Christian, Jews, or whatever. The Bible itself speaks of the importance of properly raising children, and by this does not mean on just the Bible, but in all ways.

If children are raised as lone wolves, they will act as lone wolves. They may be good, Christian lone wolves, but they will never be part of a pack. Their spiritual lives may be good, but their physical lives will be poor. They will not know the joys of a happy marriage, and their children, if they have any, will also likely be socially crippled.


40 posted on 11/23/2012 10:51:37 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“If children are raised as lone wolves, they will act as lone wolves. They may be good, Christian lone wolves, but they will never be part of a pack. Their spiritual lives may be good, but their physical lives will be poor. They will not know the joys of a happy marriage, and their children, if they have any, will also likely be socially crippled.”

Wrong again.
Many children who have been “raised as lone wolves” have been saved by the grace of God and subsequently lived productive and Christ-honoring lives, experiencing His healing and life-changing power—and written books upon books to tell about it.

“Sorry, disconnected Biblical invectives fail when, as it were, the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.”

What “disconnected Biblical invectives” were you speaking of?


41 posted on 11/23/2012 11:09:44 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: IbJensen; Ed Story

Thanks for the post about pornography’s dangers. What is a greater threat to Christianity, pornography or the crimes against children attributed to Christian churches, priests and other clergy? Please read:

Justice for missing native children: Protesters

Brett Clarkson, Toronto Sun
Sunday, February 7, 2010

A few dozen protestors rallied outside a pair of downtown churches Sunday morning to call attention to the thousands of children who went missing or died during Canada’s residential schools era.

Protestors, including former residential schools residents, gathered at Metropolitan United Church and then St. Michael’s Cathedral to demand accountability from the United and Catholic churches over its role in the residential school system that ripped native children from their families and in some cases subjected them to physical and sexual abuse.

“The churches have been exonerated basically for these children who died,” said Kevin Annett, of the advocacy group The Friends and the Relatives of the Disappeared....

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http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/02/07/12782671.html


42 posted on 11/23/2012 11:23:31 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Arlis
David said in response, “That means there is a moral sin in your life that you will not give up no matter what. Your rejection of scripture tells me that. Because if you dared to accept the authority of scripture, that means you’d have to accept its judgment of your sin and turn from it. And you are not willing to do that.” (or something close to that).

The man told David, “You are right.”

Interesting. Did Wilkerson elaborate on what happened next? You figure on a plane and captive audience there's more to the story...

43 posted on 11/23/2012 11:28:22 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Ed Story
its not just Christianity that has pushed for high morals, ethics,values, etc...

every major religion at its core....Judaism,Islam,Christianity,Hinduism,Buddhism..pushes for self control,the greater good, respect for elders, respect for your spouse...and yes even Islam, before it became radicalized.....

without self control, you can not have society...without society, we have constant anarchy and violence...

but welcome newbie.....

44 posted on 11/23/2012 11:48:47 AM PST by cherry
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To: Mogger
"Precisely. This hangup about porn and sex is part of what is costing us elections so real evil can persist."

its also the "hangup" about drugs, and the "hangup" about illegals flooding our services, and the "hangup" about girls at age 12 being let out of school for abortions...

yeah...all the "hangups"....

I think our side does get trashed because our side has to make all the adult decisions....its not easy being elected why one has be responsible....

45 posted on 11/23/2012 11:53:39 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

> ...and yes even Islam, before it became radicalized.....

“became radicalized”? Islam has been a terrorist cult from its beginning.


46 posted on 11/23/2012 11:59:37 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

I’m truly happy that such examples exist. However, the vast majority of people live their lives with human, instead of Christian rules. They do not pray that heaven will intervene in their lives and change their future; assuming that it is up to them to do so, instead of waiting around for heaven.

Today we have, for better or worse, studies such as psychology, to help us understand what we are. Most people prefer that to praying for a heavenly fix to what ails them.

If heaven helps you, great. Go for it. Most do not consider themselves so blessed, assurances that they are, or at least could be, notwithstanding.


47 posted on 11/23/2012 12:17:32 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Mogger
Any guy who does this was sick to begin with. He might be blaming porn for his behavior, but that's just his way of holding himself blameless.

Sorry, but you're wrong there. Porn has a huge affect on a person's personality and their treatment towards other people. I have seen people change after they became addicted to porn.

48 posted on 11/23/2012 12:35:32 PM PST by mtg
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To: Cherokee Conservative
You’re absolutely right. Porn ended my 20 year marriage. I couldn’t even stand to hug my husband after a while because he so grossed me out.

Perhaps if you gave him more hugs (and other affection), he wouldn't have been so interested in porn?

I think that in many cases, an interest in porn is a symptom of lack of sexual satisfaction in the man's regular life.

49 posted on 11/23/2012 12:39:24 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

EVERY true believer in Christ has been changed (in condition) from the “old self” or “old man” in Adam to the “new self,” “new man,” or “new creation” in Christ, at the moment he/she believes in Christ for the forgiveness of sin. It’s not a “heavenly fix” or “praying for a change in one’s future,” it is a work of God and responding in belief to what God has said in His Word.

God says to those who have been saved: By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. [Ephesians 2:8-9]

It is called being “born again” in John 3. It is a condition of permanent, “forever” spiritual change and healing that begins in Christ, progresses in Christ, and ends in Christ in glory.

Read the apostle Peter’s sermon to the men of Israel after Christ had been crucified, buried, and had risen from the dead, Acts 1:22-36, and see how thousands of them responded by faith and were being saved, v. 37-47.

It is the truth/the Son who sets us free. (John 8:32, 36). Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father, but through Him. (John 14:6)

And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

Sin is what ails us, and God sent His beloved Son to cure our hearts and give us a new life in Christ. May you be touched by His loving gift.


50 posted on 11/23/2012 1:10:00 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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