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Top Republican Senator ditches Norquist anti-tax pledge (Chambliss)
Fox News ^ | 11/23/2012 | Mike Emanuel

Posted on 11/23/2012 9:49:41 AM PST by paul544

A top Republican senator is casting aside an anti-tax pledge he signed, saying that solving the country’s looming fiscal crisis is more important than honoring the decades-old pact.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/23/top-republican-senator-distances-himself-from-norquist-anti-tax-pledge/#ixzz2D4Kn2EtO

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Do we really need another Lindsay Graham?
1 posted on 11/23/2012 9:50:08 AM PST by paul544
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To: paul544

In other words, it’s okay to play the role of tax collector for ‘Rat Profligate Spending.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 9:54:39 AM PST by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: paul544

Chambliss swerved to the left long before the DemocRATS’ held the last presidential “election”.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 9:55:44 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: paul544

Says he cares more about the country than the pledge. B.S. on both fronts. GA voters will be smart to get rid of him in the 2014 primary.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 9:58:51 AM PST by twister881
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To: paul544

Chambliss is right : Solving the country’s looming fiscal crisis is very important.

So why does he want to make it worse by raising taxes?

I think he has been having too many drinks with his demorat pals.

If he wants to solve the crisis, fight Obamacare, Fight raising taxes, propose spending cuts, straighten out the EPA close the Department of Energy and Dept.Education close about half the government agencies in DC.—Ground Air Force One and Michelle’s plane.Stop all Foreign aid.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 10:04:41 AM PST by Venturer
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To: paul544
One more reason not to believe anything a politician promises, ever. Their word is meaningless; they are all liars, perverts, thieves and addicts.
6 posted on 11/23/2012 10:05:13 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: paul544

If government employee/contractor/vendor/welfare spending is not cut (welfare is almost equal to the entire deficit), then tax policy changes will not help anything.

If the changes result in less revenue, the deficit grows faster.

If the changes result in more revenue, it’s just spent anyway.

Back during Reagan’s terms, the relative size of government debt to Gross Domestict Product was about 40%. Now it’s over 100%. The prosperity boost that lower taxes provided to the economy back then was not overshadowed by a Federal government that was insolvent on such a grand scale as it is today.

IMHO, the only way out is radical reduction of goverernment agencies. Social Security and Medicare need not be affected at all to fix this, nor should they be for those at or close to retirement. For those younger than that, they should be given the option to not participate in the program and it should be phased out for younger citizens over decades.

Norquist is a dhimmi.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 10:08:44 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: paul544; All

Chambliss was one of the biggest supporters of McCain-Kennedy Illegal Alien Amnesty a few years ago...so no surprise he will go Big Government Liberal on the “Fiscal Cliff”


8 posted on 11/23/2012 10:08:59 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: paul544

I heard this on CNN this morning. I’ve just finished writing a scathing email to him telling him that I’m done with his RINO ass and will be donating heavily to his next Primary Challenger. He is a disgrace to Georgia, a goddam poweratti too esconced in his own little power-world now.

He only won in 2008 because most Georgians tend to vote Republican. His Republican Primary opponent will get all my support when his time comes for judgement. He’s nothing but a backsliding RINO bastard. I’m tired of having to reach-back and email bitch-slap him.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 10:10:09 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: paul544
I have trouble with all this, and pray can place the right words to screen in addressing this matter. The fiscal cliff is there. Both sides know it is there. Some democRATS say let us go over the cliff. Some republicans have basically said the same thing. I too once was for going over the cliff. Have now backed off.

Have studied norquist a bit recently, and not certain what to make of him. Strange person, norquist is. He could be a democRAT plant, yet not certain. democRATS always want more money, so democRATS can pay money out to certain democRAT voters. Republicans always make deals with democRATS to cut spending, if a tax increase is granted with bipartisanship and the spending cuts never come. Thus, there is the cliff. Am against raising taxes on a few, to pay democRAT voters to continue to vote for RATS. Thus, where does one go? Over the cliff time will come unless spending is cut and the debt is paid. Over the cliff maybe will come no matter what is decided. The only comfort am taking from this looming fight is one day the checks which go out from our government will be no good. To tell the truth, that comfort is not a comfort. norquist? No sure he is on anyones side, or maybe he is with the enemy on the outside? Do know one thing, as a fact. norquist is married to a moslem.

10 posted on 11/23/2012 10:11:49 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

A backstabbing poweratti RINO. He and Isakson got bitch-slapped by the recoil fromt he voters and changed their tunes. This latest RINO appeasement shows it didn’t change their hearts. Look for “I never met an elected office I wouldn’t run for” Isakson to follow suit.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 10:12:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: no-to-illegals
No sure he is on anyones side should be NOT as first word.
proof read too late.
12 posted on 11/23/2012 10:14:05 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

As a born and bred Georgian of generations going back to the Civil War, I am against Chambliss’ and Isakson’s cowardly backsliding. They attempted to sell this country down the river with Bush and McCain years ago on illegals and they both (Johnny will follow Saxby) are just plain cowards that don’t want to work for their constituents.

I am against taxing hardworking, net-tax paying citizens soley to keep the entitlements flowing to no-good frigging leeches that don’t add one ounce of value to this country and never will. I am against gutting our military with sequestration so that another insolvent minority (just out of bankruptcy) can buy another house to live Obama’s American-Islamic Socialist dream. If this means ‘cliff’ then so frigging be it. I’d sooner see it burned.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 10:19:03 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: paul544

“During the Vietnam War, Chambliss received student deferments and was also given a medical deferment (1-Y) for bad knees due to a football injury.[4]” yet ANOTHER PUSSY COWARD!


14 posted on 11/23/2012 10:23:08 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: paul544

Lets start with how much a budget really should be, not the inflated last years
version.

Then put the cuts first in line. Once reached , then revenues can be generated
by smart changes to deductions.

Leave rates alone.......


15 posted on 11/23/2012 10:25:48 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: Gaffer
One thing is certain, and that is the cliff. Talk about pain, going over the cliff is not going to be painless. I will again say am against tax increases. The problem in D.C., on this issue, remains constant. Taxes are raised, or jobs get created and revenues increase, yet spending is never cut to slow the debt. D.C. always spends more than D.C. takes in. The last President to address this issue, President Reagan thought he had a deal to decrease the debt. At that time the debt was five trillion. The democRATS Tip O’Neil shook hands, on the deal, with President Reagan and lied and increased the debt. The non-answer to this issue has caused pain. More pain is probably coming because of O’Neil not honoring the deal President Reagan and O’Neil shook hand on. Where this goes is any-ones guess. I still blame democRATS.
16 posted on 11/23/2012 10:27:56 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yes, the key to all of this is even if we America loving patriots that actually pay taxes and foot the collective bill for America accede to allowing taxes to be raised on us even more egregiously, all in the name of reducing debt, the Democrats will NEVER reduce entitlement spending; they will most certainly increase it like Obama did in 2011 by adding $1.03 Trillion in entitlement spending over 83 programs.

Like I said, I’d rather see it all burn than to continue this pointless allegiance to what this country used to be, all in the name of ‘fairness’.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 10:33:09 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
The cliff is there. None of us who go over will have much to say once over the cliff. Have backed away here, from the cliff. Going over, I decided was going to hurt even more of us, those of us who love our country and pay our share. Where it goes from here, just want to say, I enjoyed our conversation. Stay Safe, and I will try to do same.
18 posted on 11/23/2012 10:38:18 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: paul544

No.

But the GOP does need to stop this idiotic “no taxes” pledge.

Taxes are a very useful weapon, just as the Democrats show us repeatedly.

There’s all manner of tax breaks that the GOP could eliminate - eg, for Hollywood and film production, for example. There’s tax breaks for charitable foundations that could be eliminated that would stop a whole host of left-wing funding. There are opportunities for draining the endowments of left-wing indoctrination factories at universities.

All possible through the tax system.

Give the liberals what they want... good and hard.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 10:48:36 AM PST by NVDave
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To: paul544

Not surprising.

People keep saying they want moderates- well folks — this is what you get. Rino’s.

Keep an eye on these people - they’ll be all over the place the closer to the next election we get. I have a long memory because I keep notes and I won’t forget.

I for one will not vote anything other than conservative next election. No more rubber-spined politicians passing themselves off as Republicans!


20 posted on 11/23/2012 10:51:37 AM PST by Babashane
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To: paul544

I think there will be a tax on earned income over $1 million.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 11:07:33 AM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Gaffer

Who better can GA put up in 2014?


22 posted on 11/23/2012 11:17:51 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: SeminoleCounty

Indeed. As was Johnny Isackson (sp?). Chambliss is an embarrassment to the State of Georgia.


23 posted on 11/23/2012 11:19:39 AM PST by Student0165
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To: paul544
Chambliss acknowledged that distancing
himself from the pledge might hurt him in his
bid for re-election in 2014, but said he's
not concerned about it.
..& lying about it.
ahh, that's it..*finger in the air*..
if the TEA Party is active in GA, he'll be toast..
two strikes against him.

24 posted on 11/23/2012 11:21:13 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: paul544

Good for Chambliss. It’s more than OBVIOUS, even on this site, that Americans are not ready to make the sacrifices needed to get spending down to the level of present taxation.

Even here, older people will not EVEN CONSIDER reforming their welfare programs (i.e., Social Security and Medicare), if it might mean one less dime of goodies for them.

Well, I see my kids being hit with over a trillion dollars of new debt every year. I also know that my 401k’s and IRAs are about to get seized by the government to pay for these goodies. So if Saxby is willing to start having people (including conservatives here) start paying for the level of services that they DEMAND, then I wish him the best of luck.


25 posted on 11/23/2012 11:23:22 AM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: paul544

I say give the rats everything they want for now. It will either kill them or kill America (which is more probable) but at least we can rise like the Phoenix in 4 years with no opposition. I’m sure the Lord will keep an eye on us!


26 posted on 11/23/2012 12:18:14 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: paul544

We don’t need Grahamesty II, but Chambliss is well on his way there, started out Conservative, but has had the GOP lobotomy.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 12:20:29 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: BobL

Social security is the epitome of a Ponzi scheme and, as such, is immoral. Whether we want to or not, we will get rid of both it and MediCare (Obamacare). We are bankrupt! Do the math. Programs like them are unsustainable - and a key element of Socialism. They seem fantastic until we “run out of other people’s money,” to quote Margaret Thatcher.


28 posted on 11/23/2012 12:21:16 PM PST by rashley (Rashley)
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To: paul544

I’d like to see a primary challenger go up against Chambliss.


29 posted on 11/23/2012 12:23:38 PM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: paul544

The Norquist pledge defines any increase in the tax base ( for example, by closing loopholes) as a tax increase. We need another Reagan-era Grand Bargain, like the 1986 tax reform, that lowers tax rates in exchange for tax-code simplification that closes loopholes.


30 posted on 11/23/2012 12:30:06 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: 9YearLurker

The two Senator we have are WORTHLESS


31 posted on 11/23/2012 12:40:27 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: paul544

Mixed feelings. I believe in a tax pledge, but Grover Noquist is a Sharia-apologist and pro-amnesty douchebag, and I would be happy to see him blacklisted by the GOP and conservatives.


32 posted on 11/23/2012 12:58:03 PM PST by montag813
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33 posted on 11/23/2012 1:07:02 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

No mention of Herman Cain here.


34 posted on 11/23/2012 1:20:49 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You just mentioned him!


35 posted on 11/23/2012 1:50:39 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: BobL

Your views are characterstic of a RINO, or maybe a CINO.

What is happening here? How could any conservative think that America has more to lose by going over the cliff than by having Republicans “reach across the aisle”?


36 posted on 11/23/2012 2:00:22 PM PST by impimp
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To: montag813

To: paul544

Mixed feelings. I believe in a tax pledge, but Grover Noquist is a Sharia-apologist and pro-amnesty douchebag, and I would be happy to see him blacklisted by the GOP and conservatives.

32 posted on 11/23/2012 12:58:03 PM PST by montag813
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Thank you! You get a gold star for saying what needed to be said about soft-jihad-sympathizer Grover Norquist (or, is that el-Guruuver Norqist).

If we cannot advocate lower taxes without invoking his name, we have no hope. We need the lower taxes, not the leadership of a man married to a Muslim Palestinian woman and ... well, he is human, after all.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/benedict-grover-norquist-fights-for-the-jihad-in-afghanistan.html

Which brings up another concern: Norquist and Newsmax are joined at the hip.

It is strange how folks — e.g., Pat Dollard, Gateway Pundit, and Rick Perry — who otherwise seem to get the Muslim threat from within to some extent — are somehow associated with either Norquist or Newsmax in some way.

Makes no sense.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/smearing_geller_on_perry.html


37 posted on 11/23/2012 2:10:08 PM PST by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Chambliss swerved to the left long before the DemocRATS’ held the last presidential “election”.”

The longer Republican politicians spend in Washington, the more opportunities to fall to temptation. Chambliss must have a juicy FBI file. Holder is a master at applying the squeeze.


38 posted on 11/23/2012 6:54:37 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Chambliss swerved to the left long before the DemocRATS’ held the last presidential “election”.”

The longer Republican politicians spend in Washington, the more opportunities to fall to temptation. Chambliss must have a juicy FBI file. Holder is a master at applying the squeeze.


39 posted on 11/23/2012 6:55:00 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: montag813

It’s more what he represents than who he is. I don’t think %99.9 of those who sign that pledge no much about him.


40 posted on 11/24/2012 5:07:12 AM PST by paul544
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To: riverdawg

Yeah but Chambliss didn’t bother to make that distinction. He was all about being as brazen as possible to make a point. He either doesn’t plan to run for reelection or has no fear of losing.


41 posted on 11/24/2012 5:15:39 AM PST by paul544
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