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How Ohioans voted in 2012
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=212:6:0::NO:::

Posted on 11/23/2012 8:27:43 PM PST by Catsrus

Here's a breakdown of how each county in Ohio voted in 2012. If it weren't for the most populace counties such as Franklin, Cuyahoga and Hamilton - Mitt would have won as would Josh Mandel.

Something needs to be done about these large counties winning states in the elections. Someone on here (don't remember who) suggested that the winner should be by who wins the most counties or to proportion the electoral votes accordingly.

Anyway, for those interested - here it is.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: countybycounty; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 11/23/2012 8:27:48 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=212:6:0::NO:::


2 posted on 11/23/2012 8:28:18 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus

elections were rigged...doesn’t matter how they voted...


3 posted on 11/23/2012 8:31:12 PM PST by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: Catsrus
Democrats don't control the legislatures in states like Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan but they inexplicably keep winning statewide contests in these states.

It is becoming more and more obvious that this is due to systemic fraud. The Democrats can't commit fraud in every legislative district so they lose control of the legislatures but they can commit sufficient fraud in the city districts they control so as to skew the statewide elections.

4 posted on 11/23/2012 8:37:15 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Catsrus
ELECTION FRAUD is what happened in Ohio - nothing more.
5 posted on 11/23/2012 8:38:33 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

But Catholics voted for Obama in these states, it’s worse than the headline.

And they bitch about contraceptives.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 8:47:03 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Catsrus

How people voted didn’t mean anything. It was those who counted the votes that decided the outcome.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 8:52:24 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: quantim

Republicans pretty much dominate the legislatures in the states I mentioned. For example, in Ohio the Senate has 23 Republicans and just 10 Democrats. And in the Ohio House of Representatives, there are 60 Republicans and 39 Democrats with the Republicans actually having gained a seat in this last election. With that kind of breakdown, it is beyond strange that Democrats were able to prevail in the statewide elections.


8 posted on 11/23/2012 8:52:48 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

This is exactly my point after looking at the map and knowing the majority the Republicans hold in our state. There is something seriously wrong with all of this.

In some counties, Mitt trounced Obama and in others, he narrowly won. But, it was supposedly, the most populated DEM counties which gave Obama the win. How can a state, and that goes for some others as well, elect such a large majority of Republicans to state seats and then vote heavily for Obama when its a known fact that there are smaller turnouts for state races. Maybe that’s where the difference lies - some only turn out for presidential elections??

I don’t know, I’m still trying to sort this out in my own mind and heart.

If you’ll notice, it says these results are unofficial. I don’t know if the military and provisional ballots were counted yet and included in these numbers or not.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 8:59:53 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: vbmoneyspender

You dodged the statement but it does not matter.

Not a single ‘swing state’ swung so it is all about getting federal PIE whilst forcing more work on the producers in each state.

This is how socialism works.


10 posted on 11/23/2012 9:03:12 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Catsrus

It mattered not how the voters voted.
It mattered who counted the votes.

Welcome to the USSA.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 9:04:58 PM PST by Texas resident (Welcome to the nightmare)
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To: Catsrus
Ohio received its 2010 local census data in early March 2011. Although the state population showed net growth, Ohio's large cities recorded significant population loss. Of the state's five largest cities only Columbus showed population growth. Cleveland suffered the sharpest decline, losing 17.1% of its population.[4]
12 posted on 11/23/2012 9:05:53 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: oust the louse

I 100% agree. The whole voting format needs to be overhauled and made secure with multiple safeguards to insure that EVERY legal vote is being counted.

IMO, there should be a Republican, a Democrat and an independent representative on hand at EVERY voting station to collect a copy of EVERY ballot being cast. After I cast my ballot, I get a printed copy with an ID # on it.....the Republican rep, Dem rep and the independent source also will get a copy. No voter fraud is possible and of course, a photo ID requirement.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 9:06:58 PM PST by Ms Mable
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To: quantim

North Carolina swung into the Romney camp. And Indiana went red this election year as well. I guess the Obama camp had to give us those 2 states so that the voter fraud couldn’t be uncovered? And, even if it is - who is going to do anything about it? (I hear crickets chirping).

I just know that this election was stolen as do others, but proving it or getting someone to look into it are 2 different things.


14 posted on 11/23/2012 9:07:55 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Ms Mable

This sounds like a good plan except we won’t get DEMS to go along with anything. They will just kick the R & I watchers out of the polling areas, until they do their dirty work and the damage is done.

All I know is that something needs to be done about these largely populated cities carrying the state’s electoral votes.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 9:11:06 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus
Husted’s latest idea would have handed Ohio to Romney
By BudgetWatcher On November 8, 2012 · 204 Comments

[snip]
Husted’s solution to this perceived problem of Democrats and the national media picking on him? He says we should make Ohio less important in the election by dividing up our electoral votes by Congressional district.

This is huge and should raise giant red flags. Under the current winner-take-all system, Obama won all 18 of Ohio’s electoral votes. Under Husted’s plan, 12 of those 18 electoral votes would be handed to Mitt Romney, the popular vote loser.
[snip]


Husted is correct, and this should have been done long ago in states with large Dem cities, but majority Republican state legislatures.

If they wished, the State legislatures in OH, PA, MI, FL, and anywhere else, could apportion their electoral votes by congressional district, with two votes apportioned statewide for the senators.

16 posted on 11/23/2012 9:11:34 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

I think this is a very good solution. Now the legislature needs to work to get this done before 2014. Every state needs to implement this, but won’t. Just think how those living in solid blue states like CA must feel. The large populated areas there carry the electoral votes and people don’t feel like their votes count - which they don’t.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 9:14:53 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: vbmoneyspender
With that kind of breakdown, it is beyond strange that Democrats were able to prevail in the statewide elections.

The black votes are all stuffed into a couple of D districts keeping the R districts safe, so the R's dominate the state legislature. The House races were similar: 12R to 4D.

The proof of gerrymandering is easy: The R winning percentages were 58, 59, 59, 57, 53, 57, 100 (Boehner unopposed), 60, 64, 54, 62, 52

The D winning percentages were: 68, 73, 100 (unopposed), 72.

The gerrymandering doesn't help in Senate and Presidential races.

18 posted on 11/23/2012 9:19:36 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Catsrus

If enough people complained and took this format or something even better to the streets, local town hall meetings, flooded the phone lines of congress... just for for starters, they would have to fix the voting system, IMO. We need to get organized with our complaints. POWER IN NUMBERS...YES, I’ve been paying attention to how Sharpton and those Left losers get their point across and I think it’s time we pull together and get some of America’s problems solved.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 9:22:13 PM PST by Ms Mable
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To: palmer
Here's the data for my previous post: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=212:17:901386757396001::NO::P17_OTC:UC
20 posted on 11/23/2012 9:25:13 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Since the 1960’s, Ohio’s legislative districts have been based on proportional representation rather than on the old state constitutional system. So there should not be such a wide disparity between who is elected to the legislature and who gets elected to statewide office. Aside from that, Ohio’s big cities have been hemorraging people for many years so that is another factor which weighs against your theory that black people form such a large voting block that they are magically able to trump Republican votes in statewide elections.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 9:29:31 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Ms Mable

State IDs should contain a swiped code (like a credit card) that requires them to be swiped and may only be used once during an election, with all voter information being stores in a database.

Romney had the right idea in using cards for worker ID cards. This idea should be extended to include voter ID, as well.


22 posted on 11/23/2012 9:41:10 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: vbmoneyspender
House seats are proportional nationwide. So the Ohio delegation 12R to 4D is created by gerrymandering. Once you agree this is the case (which I assume you do), then it is logical that the D House districts are stuffed chock full of D's. The regional Presidential results bear this out. Obama won by 62% in the populous NE, but lost by 57% in the West region of Ohio. His biggest win is bigger than his biggest loss because that populous area is stuffed with libs and blacks.
23 posted on 11/23/2012 9:44:16 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: meadsjn

This would be a beautiful thing in a number of states.

Oregon and Washington state would both be ideal candidates to have their electoral votes divided. Both are completely red with the exception of portions of the coast.


24 posted on 11/23/2012 9:49:44 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: palmer
So I took your theory and ran with it that black votes were piled up in city districts by evil Republican gerrymandering and that it was these black votes that gave Obama the election. Here is what I come up with when I total up the votes congressional district by congressional district in Ohio.

There are 16 congressional districts in Ohio and Republicans won 12 of the elections and Democrats won 4 of the elections. The votes for Democrats that ran for Congress in Ohio totaled 2,167,166 whereas the Republicans garnered 2,690,353 votes. In other words, the Republican candidates gained 500,000 more votes in the Congressional elections than did their Democrat counterparts.

When you compare the congressional elections to the Presidential election something strange happens. In the Ohio vote count, Obama got 500,000 more votes than did his Democrat congressional counterparts. Specifically, he garnered 2,695,125 votes while Romney had a slight dropoff off from Republican congressional candidates of 2,588,711. So what we are asked to believe is that almost 500,000 people voted for Obama as President but didn't vote for the Democrat congressman in their district. I would be very interested to hear non-fraud based theories which explain this discrepancy.

25 posted on 11/23/2012 9:52:20 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

I have no doubt that fraud in Cleveland, Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc probably gave Obama an extra 20 to 30 thousand votes per state. But it wasn’t enough to allow Romney to win any of those states.

The problem is simple. In the urban cores, they do indeed vote 95 percent Dem because the Dems control the machines and the government spending. In the suburban and rural districts the R’s win but only by 60 to 70 percent margins because you have enough white govt. workers, public school teachers and liberal feminist mother types who vote D.

So now when you do a big statewide Presidential election, the 95 percent urban core overwhelms the 65 percent suburban vote despite what happens in the state legislative races.

And here is the MOST important point. It isn’t fraud that kills us but EARLY VOTING. All these new early voting rules allow the Dems to go from house to house and apartment to apartment to roust out their voters. In years past, before all this early voting, it was a logistical nightmare to get all those people to the polls on a single day. Now they have 2-5 weeks to do it.

Even 30 years ago, we always knew that if ALL the inner city people all got out to vote we’d be screwed in a statewide race based on simple numbers. Well, I think early voting now lets the Dems legitimately get out all the urban votes. It isn’t just fraud anymore.


26 posted on 11/23/2012 9:52:54 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: vbmoneyspender

I don’t think it is all fraud. I think these people are so dumb they only know to go in the booth and mark Obama. Then they are tired and want to get back on the bus for the free meal.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 9:54:48 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: palmer; Catsrus
Just in case the response might be that Obama was the only reason for 500,000 additional voters to vote in Ohio, the same thing happened with the Senate election. Sherrod Brown got almost 500,000 more votes than Democratic congressional candidates (i.e. 2,644,425 votes). Whereas the votes that Josh Mandel received (2,366,373 votes) in combination with the votes the libertarian candidate received (240,783 votes) were roughly equivalent to what Republican congressional candidates and Mitt Romney received.

So what would have had to have happened is a bunch of Democrat voters were willing to punch their tickets for both the Democrat Presidential candidate and Democrat Senate candidate but then stopped punching their voting ticket after that. That seems very curious to me. Why would you stop at the Senate candidate? Why not continue down your voting ticket?

This all seems very strange that 500,000 additional votes get generated for Democrats running statewide that don't exist for their down-ticket candidates. And it is particularly curious that these votes appear to have come from cities which have been hemorrhaging voters for many years.

28 posted on 11/23/2012 10:05:26 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: SteveAustin

see my post above.


29 posted on 11/23/2012 10:06:48 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Catsrus
If it weren't for the most populace counties such as Franklin, Cuyahoga and Hamilton - Mitt would have won as would Josh Mandel.

If a frog had wings................

If my aunt had balls she'd be................

We, in Illinois, have a governor who was elected by carrying 2 counties out of 102.

30 posted on 11/23/2012 10:09:08 PM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: palmer
House seats are proportional nationwide

By the way, I was talking about the state house seats rather than the Congressional seats. But the same reasoning applies - which is that I find it hard to believe that Ohio Democrats are getting a legitimate 25% increase in statewide votes versus what their district by district candidates gets. And extending this out to Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania, I assert that the same thing is going on in those states - which is that Democrats up for statewide election are able to outpoll downticket candidates because of pervasive voter fraud.

31 posted on 11/23/2012 10:18:39 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Catsrus

I live in Franklin county and voted Romney,I know of serveral hundred that did the sane and only two Obama voters.
This election was rigged by SEIU.


32 posted on 11/23/2012 11:02:54 PM PST by Jahoohio
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To: Catsrus

33 posted on 11/24/2012 3:36:10 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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To: Catsrus

No telling how many Romney votes ended up in dumpsters...


34 posted on 11/24/2012 4:32:43 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Catsrus
populace

You want "populous."

35 posted on 11/24/2012 4:33:06 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Catsrus

Its kinda like Texas used to be, where Republicans consistently won 60% of the votes and yet only held 40% of the seats. Then Mr Delay made changes, and wound up convicted of cheating.

Cant win for losing.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 4:53:39 AM PST by weezel
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To: SteveAustin
“Well, I think early voting now lets the Dems legitimately get out all the urban votes. It isn’t just fraud anymore.”
The DemonRATs have a very sophisticated network that allows them to determine who hasn't voted and then they can vote for them. It's fraud, pure and simple.
37 posted on 11/24/2012 5:56:32 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

I thought PA had voted a year or two ago to split their electoral vote. I guess I was mistaken, or the proposal did not pass. Obviously it would not have made the difference but at least it would have given Romney a few more EV’s.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 6:05:45 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: quantim

“But Catholics voted for Obama in these states, it’s worse than the headline.”

According to what I have seen, Romney won the Catholic vote by nine points in both Ohio and Michigan. Pennsylvania and Florida were closer, but Romney still won the Catholic vote as far as I can tell in those states. Have you seen something different?

“And they bitch about contraceptives.”

How dare they.

FReegards


39 posted on 11/24/2012 6:10:45 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: vbmoneyspender; SteveAustin
There are 16 congressional districts in Ohio and Republicans won 12 of the elections and Democrats won 4 of the elections. The votes for Democrats that ran for Congress in Ohio totaled 2,167,166 whereas the Republicans garnered 2,690,353 votes.

When I added up the House votes I got this:
D votes:
125030+131256+188831+110085+131575+140648+133686+329+206763+124079+243387+129251+227076+127467+123201+165638
total: 2308302

R votes:
196783+189400+74938+178604+191892+161095+174836+239221+66844+202166+0+227059+86269+179704+199598+181137
total: 2549546

In Boehner's largest county, Butler:
Romney, Mitt (R) 102,226
Obama, Barack (D) 59,282
Boehner, John (R) 117,559
Condit, James (WI) 106

In Cuyahoga
Obama, Barack (D) 420,953
Romney, Mitt (R) 184,475
Fudge, Marcia (D) 210,921

The difference is the Cuyahoga voters not bothering to pull the lever for their unopposed candidate Fudge. Boehner had no real opponent, but he still picked up at least 15k D votes in Butler county.

I took your theory and ran with it that black votes were piled up in city districts by evil Republican gerrymandering

I never said it was evil. It is what it is. If we didn't have that we would not control the House. It probably results in more RINO reps by diluting the R vote and the D vote for Boehner points out the problems with a too-powerful speaker of the house.

40 posted on 11/24/2012 6:46:32 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Whoops sorry that’s backwards, the 2308302 is R and 2549546 is D.


41 posted on 11/24/2012 6:55:58 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

No, I was right the first time. the R votes for the House exceed the D votes


42 posted on 11/24/2012 6:57:17 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer
My mistake, I reversed the figures for the 13th district. But the correct figures still show Obama getting 400,000 more votes than the district-by-district candidates. And Sherrod Brown got almost 350,000 more votes than the congressional candidates. So again, why stop at Sherrod Brown on your ticket. Why not keep punching Democrat.

As to the Fudge and Boehner comparison, they both ran unopposed and they both got roughly equal numbers of votes (i.e. in the 240,000 to 250,000 range). So given that that each district contains a roughly equal number of voters it seems very strange that Fudge's district would have an explosion of votes for both Obama and Sherrod Brown while Boehner's district wouldn't see the same counter-effect for Romney.

43 posted on 11/24/2012 7:39:27 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

If I remember correctly, zero and all DEMS were at the top of every ballot. I’m just wondering if people just voted the first name on the ballot?


44 posted on 11/24/2012 9:05:19 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: vbmoneyspender
So again, why stop at Sherrod Brown on your ticket. Why not keep punching Democrat.

All the Cuyahoga numbers are here: http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/ElectionResults2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM When I look at an average Romney-zero precinct, say Cleveland 08-J I see 482 ballots cast (55% turnout). Johnson-L got 1 vote, Obama got 472 votes, Stein-G got 1, and there were 4 each of undervotes and overvotes. The undervotes I assume means someone left President blank. Overvotes I have no idea since the machine only lets you pick one.

Sherrod Brown won 420 to 5 (and 8 and 1 for the others), and there were 48 undervotes. So right away 1/10 people stopped checking boxes. Fudge got 367 votes with 115 undervotes. The D state rep ran unopposed and got 349 votes with 133 undervotes. The county attorney won 300 to 53 with 127 undervotes (he was a D running against a no party candidate). So there was a bit more voting in a contest with an actual opponent. The state board of education vote got 178 undervotes. Supreme court justices had 186 undervotes, 198 undervotes, 139 undervotes, unopposed appeals judge had 221 undervotes, but the contested appeals judge had only 198.

The pattern is that some voters dropped out right after Obama but others went down to hit some of the contested races. Fudge was uncontested so she got skipped in many cases.

I don't think there's any mystery in how the voters can drop out through rest of the ballot with upticks for some contested races. I don't think it's much of a mystery that Romney can get zero votes when there are hundreds of other precincts where they tried to give him zero votes and weren't quite as successful (he got one or two votes in some cases, but less than 10 in hundreds of cases).

Out of 1000 precincts there were 16 zeros (not counting precincts with 20 or less votes), 41 of 1 or less, 77 of 2 or less, 100 of 3 or less, 128 of 4 or less, etc. IOW, there were 200 or 300 precincts were they tried to give Romney zero votes and succeeded in 16 of them. I think that is entirely possible without messing with machines, but probably requires some gatekeeping and/or coaching. With some of those turnouts in the 50's it might suggest gatekeeping (the person night be somehow discouraged from voting, e.g. their name isn't on the list).

45 posted on 11/24/2012 9:15:53 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer
but probably requires some gatekeeping and/or coaching.

In other words, voter fraud.

46 posted on 11/24/2012 9:23:35 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: palmer; Catsrus
Cuyahoa County Results by Precinct

Come on - when you look at that page of precinct-by-precinct results and the areas in Cleveland and East Cleveland suddenly drop down to single digit vote counts for Romney don't you think there is something strange going on in those areas. Everywhere, vote counts for Romney never get lower than double-digits but suddenly in these inner-city areas the vote counts for Romney suddenly drop to next to nothing. Something is happening in those precincts that is not happening anywhere else.

47 posted on 11/24/2012 9:32:07 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

It means that Romney got about 4% of black votes overall which would be 20 votes out of 500 in an average precinct. But these precincts are all welfare blacks with no middle class or blacks who know or work with whites. So instead of 4% Romney got 1% or less in 150 or so precincts. The mentality of these people is not to try to do right for America even if they understood that capitalism made America strong. It is simply a gang where the members belong by thinking in lockstep and voting in lockstep. Their thought processes are nothing short of communism. Their radio stations tell them to think about Advanced Democracy and other euphemisms for welfare and reparations from the white race.


48 posted on 11/24/2012 10:00:46 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Ransomed

The problem is what body of ‘exit’ polls by media outlets one wants to believe when it come to the Catholic vote.

Since no one knows what the actual truth is we’ll never know what the final facts are, and how much religious bigotry re-elected Obama.

Pelosi and dead Ted are a couple of false Catholics that come to mind. And they get away with it.


49 posted on 11/24/2012 8:55:21 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: quantim

“The problem is what body of ‘exit’ polls by media outlets one wants to believe when it come to the Catholic vote.”

I agree that exit polls are only strangers telling strangers something as reported by the media. But if exit polls are so unreliable, why would you say that Catholics voted for Obama in those states? The only exit polling I have seen was that they didn’t, so I asked you what have you seen that made you think otherwise. I have only seen one source, you could very well have seen others that I can’t find, and I take it that all the polling hasn’t been finalized or whatever they do with it.

“Since no one knows what the actual truth is we’ll never know what the final facts are, and how much religious bigotry re-elected Obama.”

I guess it depends on how reliable you think exit polling is, but I take it many seem to lend it some credence, at least if all the posts about it on FR count.

I reckon I don’t get the religious bigotry part.

“Pelosi and dead Ted are a couple of false Catholics that come to mind. And they get away with it.”

It’s a scandal that dwarfs the homosexualist priest scandal, in my opinion.

Freegards


50 posted on 11/24/2012 9:53:18 PM PST by Ransomed
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