Skip to comments.How Ohioans voted in 2012
Posted on 11/23/2012 8:27:43 PM PST by Catsrus
Here's a breakdown of how each county in Ohio voted in 2012. If it weren't for the most populace counties such as Franklin, Cuyahoga and Hamilton - Mitt would have won as would Josh Mandel.
Something needs to be done about these large counties winning states in the elections. Someone on here (don't remember who) suggested that the winner should be by who wins the most counties or to proportion the electoral votes accordingly.
Anyway, for those interested - here it is.
elections were rigged...doesn’t matter how they voted...
It is becoming more and more obvious that this is due to systemic fraud. The Democrats can't commit fraud in every legislative district so they lose control of the legislatures but they can commit sufficient fraud in the city districts they control so as to skew the statewide elections.
But Catholics voted for Obama in these states, it’s worse than the headline.
And they bitch about contraceptives.
How people voted didn’t mean anything. It was those who counted the votes that decided the outcome.
Republicans pretty much dominate the legislatures in the states I mentioned. For example, in Ohio the Senate has 23 Republicans and just 10 Democrats. And in the Ohio House of Representatives, there are 60 Republicans and 39 Democrats with the Republicans actually having gained a seat in this last election. With that kind of breakdown, it is beyond strange that Democrats were able to prevail in the statewide elections.
This is exactly my point after looking at the map and knowing the majority the Republicans hold in our state. There is something seriously wrong with all of this.
In some counties, Mitt trounced Obama and in others, he narrowly won. But, it was supposedly, the most populated DEM counties which gave Obama the win. How can a state, and that goes for some others as well, elect such a large majority of Republicans to state seats and then vote heavily for Obama when its a known fact that there are smaller turnouts for state races. Maybe that’s where the difference lies - some only turn out for presidential elections??
I don’t know, I’m still trying to sort this out in my own mind and heart.
If you’ll notice, it says these results are unofficial. I don’t know if the military and provisional ballots were counted yet and included in these numbers or not.
You dodged the statement but it does not matter.
Not a single ‘swing state’ swung so it is all about getting federal PIE whilst forcing more work on the producers in each state.
This is how socialism works.
It mattered not how the voters voted.
It mattered who counted the votes.
Welcome to the USSA.
I 100% agree. The whole voting format needs to be overhauled and made secure with multiple safeguards to insure that EVERY legal vote is being counted.
IMO, there should be a Republican, a Democrat and an independent representative on hand at EVERY voting station to collect a copy of EVERY ballot being cast. After I cast my ballot, I get a printed copy with an ID # on it.....the Republican rep, Dem rep and the independent source also will get a copy. No voter fraud is possible and of course, a photo ID requirement.
North Carolina swung into the Romney camp. And Indiana went red this election year as well. I guess the Obama camp had to give us those 2 states so that the voter fraud couldn’t be uncovered? And, even if it is - who is going to do anything about it? (I hear crickets chirping).
I just know that this election was stolen as do others, but proving it or getting someone to look into it are 2 different things.
This sounds like a good plan except we won’t get DEMS to go along with anything. They will just kick the R & I watchers out of the polling areas, until they do their dirty work and the damage is done.
All I know is that something needs to be done about these largely populated cities carrying the state’s electoral votes.
Husteds solution to this perceived problem of Democrats and the national media picking on him? He says we should make Ohio less important in the election by dividing up our electoral votes by Congressional district.
This is huge and should raise giant red flags. Under the current winner-take-all system, Obama won all 18 of Ohios electoral votes. Under Husteds plan, 12 of those 18 electoral votes would be handed to Mitt Romney, the popular vote loser.
Husted is correct, and this should have been done long ago in states with large Dem cities, but majority Republican state legislatures.
If they wished, the State legislatures in OH, PA, MI, FL, and anywhere else, could apportion their electoral votes by congressional district, with two votes apportioned statewide for the senators.
I think this is a very good solution. Now the legislature needs to work to get this done before 2014. Every state needs to implement this, but won’t. Just think how those living in solid blue states like CA must feel. The large populated areas there carry the electoral votes and people don’t feel like their votes count - which they don’t.
The black votes are all stuffed into a couple of D districts keeping the R districts safe, so the R's dominate the state legislature. The House races were similar: 12R to 4D.
The proof of gerrymandering is easy: The R winning percentages were 58, 59, 59, 57, 53, 57, 100 (Boehner unopposed), 60, 64, 54, 62, 52
The D winning percentages were: 68, 73, 100 (unopposed), 72.
The gerrymandering doesn't help in Senate and Presidential races.
If enough people complained and took this format or something even better to the streets, local town hall meetings, flooded the phone lines of congress... just for for starters, they would have to fix the voting system, IMO. We need to get organized with our complaints. POWER IN NUMBERS...YES, I’ve been paying attention to how Sharpton and those Left losers get their point across and I think it’s time we pull together and get some of America’s problems solved.
Since the 1960’s, Ohio’s legislative districts have been based on proportional representation rather than on the old state constitutional system. So there should not be such a wide disparity between who is elected to the legislature and who gets elected to statewide office. Aside from that, Ohio’s big cities have been hemorraging people for many years so that is another factor which weighs against your theory that black people form such a large voting block that they are magically able to trump Republican votes in statewide elections.
State IDs should contain a swiped code (like a credit card) that requires them to be swiped and may only be used once during an election, with all voter information being stores in a database.
Romney had the right idea in using cards for worker ID cards. This idea should be extended to include voter ID, as well.
This would be a beautiful thing in a number of states.
Oregon and Washington state would both be ideal candidates to have their electoral votes divided. Both are completely red with the exception of portions of the coast.
There are 16 congressional districts in Ohio and Republicans won 12 of the elections and Democrats won 4 of the elections. The votes for Democrats that ran for Congress in Ohio totaled 2,167,166 whereas the Republicans garnered 2,690,353 votes. In other words, the Republican candidates gained 500,000 more votes in the Congressional elections than did their Democrat counterparts.
When you compare the congressional elections to the Presidential election something strange happens. In the Ohio vote count, Obama got 500,000 more votes than did his Democrat congressional counterparts. Specifically, he garnered 2,695,125 votes while Romney had a slight dropoff off from Republican congressional candidates of 2,588,711. So what we are asked to believe is that almost 500,000 people voted for Obama as President but didn't vote for the Democrat congressman in their district. I would be very interested to hear non-fraud based theories which explain this discrepancy.
I have no doubt that fraud in Cleveland, Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc probably gave Obama an extra 20 to 30 thousand votes per state. But it wasn’t enough to allow Romney to win any of those states.
The problem is simple. In the urban cores, they do indeed vote 95 percent Dem because the Dems control the machines and the government spending. In the suburban and rural districts the R’s win but only by 60 to 70 percent margins because you have enough white govt. workers, public school teachers and liberal feminist mother types who vote D.
So now when you do a big statewide Presidential election, the 95 percent urban core overwhelms the 65 percent suburban vote despite what happens in the state legislative races.
And here is the MOST important point. It isn’t fraud that kills us but EARLY VOTING. All these new early voting rules allow the Dems to go from house to house and apartment to apartment to roust out their voters. In years past, before all this early voting, it was a logistical nightmare to get all those people to the polls on a single day. Now they have 2-5 weeks to do it.
Even 30 years ago, we always knew that if ALL the inner city people all got out to vote we’d be screwed in a statewide race based on simple numbers. Well, I think early voting now lets the Dems legitimately get out all the urban votes. It isn’t just fraud anymore.
I don’t think it is all fraud. I think these people are so dumb they only know to go in the booth and mark Obama. Then they are tired and want to get back on the bus for the free meal.
So what would have had to have happened is a bunch of Democrat voters were willing to punch their tickets for both the Democrat Presidential candidate and Democrat Senate candidate but then stopped punching their voting ticket after that. That seems very curious to me. Why would you stop at the Senate candidate? Why not continue down your voting ticket?
This all seems very strange that 500,000 additional votes get generated for Democrats running statewide that don't exist for their down-ticket candidates. And it is particularly curious that these votes appear to have come from cities which have been hemorrhaging voters for many years.
see my post above.
If a frog had wings................
If my aunt had balls she'd be................
We, in Illinois, have a governor who was elected by carrying 2 counties out of 102.
By the way, I was talking about the state house seats rather than the Congressional seats. But the same reasoning applies - which is that I find it hard to believe that Ohio Democrats are getting a legitimate 25% increase in statewide votes versus what their district by district candidates gets. And extending this out to Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania, I assert that the same thing is going on in those states - which is that Democrats up for statewide election are able to outpoll downticket candidates because of pervasive voter fraud.
I live in Franklin county and voted Romney,I know of serveral hundred that did the sane and only two Obama voters.
This election was rigged by SEIU.
No telling how many Romney votes ended up in dumpsters...
You want "populous."
Its kinda like Texas used to be, where Republicans consistently won 60% of the votes and yet only held 40% of the seats. Then Mr Delay made changes, and wound up convicted of cheating.
Cant win for losing.
I thought PA had voted a year or two ago to split their electoral vote. I guess I was mistaken, or the proposal did not pass. Obviously it would not have made the difference but at least it would have given Romney a few more EV’s.
“But Catholics voted for Obama in these states, its worse than the headline.”
According to what I have seen, Romney won the Catholic vote by nine points in both Ohio and Michigan. Pennsylvania and Florida were closer, but Romney still won the Catholic vote as far as I can tell in those states. Have you seen something different?
“And they bitch about contraceptives.”
How dare they.
When I added up the House votes I got this:
In Boehner's largest county, Butler:
Romney, Mitt (R) 102,226
Obama, Barack (D) 59,282
Boehner, John (R) 117,559
Condit, James (WI) 106
Obama, Barack (D) 420,953
Romney, Mitt (R) 184,475
Fudge, Marcia (D) 210,921
The difference is the Cuyahoga voters not bothering to pull the lever for their unopposed candidate Fudge. Boehner had no real opponent, but he still picked up at least 15k D votes in Butler county.
I took your theory and ran with it that black votes were piled up in city districts by evil Republican gerrymandering
I never said it was evil. It is what it is. If we didn't have that we would not control the House. It probably results in more RINO reps by diluting the R vote and the D vote for Boehner points out the problems with a too-powerful speaker of the house.
Whoops sorry that’s backwards, the 2308302 is R and 2549546 is D.
No, I was right the first time. the R votes for the House exceed the D votes
As to the Fudge and Boehner comparison, they both ran unopposed and they both got roughly equal numbers of votes (i.e. in the 240,000 to 250,000 range). So given that that each district contains a roughly equal number of voters it seems very strange that Fudge's district would have an explosion of votes for both Obama and Sherrod Brown while Boehner's district wouldn't see the same counter-effect for Romney.
If I remember correctly, zero and all DEMS were at the top of every ballot. I’m just wondering if people just voted the first name on the ballot?
All the Cuyahoga numbers are here: http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/ElectionResults2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM When I look at an average Romney-zero precinct, say Cleveland 08-J I see 482 ballots cast (55% turnout). Johnson-L got 1 vote, Obama got 472 votes, Stein-G got 1, and there were 4 each of undervotes and overvotes. The undervotes I assume means someone left President blank. Overvotes I have no idea since the machine only lets you pick one.
Sherrod Brown won 420 to 5 (and 8 and 1 for the others), and there were 48 undervotes. So right away 1/10 people stopped checking boxes. Fudge got 367 votes with 115 undervotes. The D state rep ran unopposed and got 349 votes with 133 undervotes. The county attorney won 300 to 53 with 127 undervotes (he was a D running against a no party candidate). So there was a bit more voting in a contest with an actual opponent. The state board of education vote got 178 undervotes. Supreme court justices had 186 undervotes, 198 undervotes, 139 undervotes, unopposed appeals judge had 221 undervotes, but the contested appeals judge had only 198.
The pattern is that some voters dropped out right after Obama but others went down to hit some of the contested races. Fudge was uncontested so she got skipped in many cases.
I don't think there's any mystery in how the voters can drop out through rest of the ballot with upticks for some contested races. I don't think it's much of a mystery that Romney can get zero votes when there are hundreds of other precincts where they tried to give him zero votes and weren't quite as successful (he got one or two votes in some cases, but less than 10 in hundreds of cases).
Out of 1000 precincts there were 16 zeros (not counting precincts with 20 or less votes), 41 of 1 or less, 77 of 2 or less, 100 of 3 or less, 128 of 4 or less, etc. IOW, there were 200 or 300 precincts were they tried to give Romney zero votes and succeeded in 16 of them. I think that is entirely possible without messing with machines, but probably requires some gatekeeping and/or coaching. With some of those turnouts in the 50's it might suggest gatekeeping (the person night be somehow discouraged from voting, e.g. their name isn't on the list).
In other words, voter fraud.
Come on - when you look at that page of precinct-by-precinct results and the areas in Cleveland and East Cleveland suddenly drop down to single digit vote counts for Romney don't you think there is something strange going on in those areas. Everywhere, vote counts for Romney never get lower than double-digits but suddenly in these inner-city areas the vote counts for Romney suddenly drop to next to nothing. Something is happening in those precincts that is not happening anywhere else.
It means that Romney got about 4% of black votes overall which would be 20 votes out of 500 in an average precinct. But these precincts are all welfare blacks with no middle class or blacks who know or work with whites. So instead of 4% Romney got 1% or less in 150 or so precincts. The mentality of these people is not to try to do right for America even if they understood that capitalism made America strong. It is simply a gang where the members belong by thinking in lockstep and voting in lockstep. Their thought processes are nothing short of communism. Their radio stations tell them to think about Advanced Democracy and other euphemisms for welfare and reparations from the white race.
The problem is what body of ‘exit’ polls by media outlets one wants to believe when it come to the Catholic vote.
Since no one knows what the actual truth is we’ll never know what the final facts are, and how much religious bigotry re-elected Obama.
Pelosi and dead Ted are a couple of false Catholics that come to mind. And they get away with it.
“The problem is what body of exit polls by media outlets one wants to believe when it come to the Catholic vote.”
I agree that exit polls are only strangers telling strangers something as reported by the media. But if exit polls are so unreliable, why would you say that Catholics voted for Obama in those states? The only exit polling I have seen was that they didn’t, so I asked you what have you seen that made you think otherwise. I have only seen one source, you could very well have seen others that I can’t find, and I take it that all the polling hasn’t been finalized or whatever they do with it.
“Since no one knows what the actual truth is well never know what the final facts are, and how much religious bigotry re-elected Obama.”
I guess it depends on how reliable you think exit polling is, but I take it many seem to lend it some credence, at least if all the posts about it on FR count.
I reckon I don’t get the religious bigotry part.
“Pelosi and dead Ted are a couple of false Catholics that come to mind. And they get away with it.”
It’s a scandal that dwarfs the homosexualist priest scandal, in my opinion.