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Rifle-Toting Terrorists Called Major Threat to U.S. Power Grid
sfgate.com ^ | 23 November, 2012 | Brian Wingfield

Posted on 11/24/2012 6:58:58 AM PST by marktwain

Edited on 11/24/2012 8:09:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: attack; banglist; powergrid; terrorist
I came up with this concept in 1984. I deliberately did not publish it because I considered it too great of a threat. I have since tried to educate people a bit more, but the problem is that our enemies read these papers as well.
1 posted on 11/24/2012 6:59:09 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower
I guess this means that the politicians should stick to the Constitution, and not try to make enemies out of American riflemen.

Nah. Let's just take all of their rifles away. Yeah, that'll work.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 7:01:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

shamefully transparent attempt to suppress the law abiding citizens.

our leaders are disgusting insects


3 posted on 11/24/2012 7:03:08 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Sir, That is an insult to a lot of hard working insects. Many of whom do very beneficial things for us. Most insects work hard, unlike politicians. Most insects are honest, unlike politicians.
My pet bee wants to challenge you to a duel. I am trying to hold him back but..............................
4 posted on 11/24/2012 7:08:45 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: marktwain

“There are ways that a very few number of actors with very rudimentary equipment could take down large portions of our grid,”

Preventing the following

1) People from using electricity

2) Power plants from needing to burn coal to make the
electricity for these people to use.

3) Environmental destruction to produce the coal

4) Coal miners (who didn’t vote democratic anyway) from supporting their families.

5) The release of dangerous CO2 into the atmosphere by power plants and living breathing coal miner families.

6) Destroying the planet.

Now who would ever do such a thing?


5 posted on 11/24/2012 7:19:14 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: marktwain
For a “couple hundred bucks” a utility could install metal sheeting to block the view of transformers, he said. “If you can’t see through the fence, you can’t figure out where to shoot anymore.”

If you cannot see through it, you will have to deal with wind load.

Not cheap.

6 posted on 11/24/2012 7:25:53 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: marktwain

Thanks, Mark Twain. This is an interesting anecdote.

(The mag involves has soft porn popups, which I mean that in a bad way- Just saying)

I cut and pasted and sent to my East Coast family who marvel at the gun situation in Texas. (See Bernard Goetz)


7 posted on 11/24/2012 7:27:10 AM PST by stanne
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To: marktwain

Hide your lever rifles and the kids .22!

Now that the Islamo-Marxist has been selected to rule for another term it is time for Big Gov to resume the War On Bitter Clingers.


8 posted on 11/24/2012 7:27:39 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Travis McGee

Just another reason for Obama to require gun registration.


9 posted on 11/24/2012 7:33:44 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Travis McGee

I wonder how many ARs and AKs have been sold in the last decade?


10 posted on 11/24/2012 7:56:35 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Our electric company took down the chainlink fencing and put up 10 ft brick walls around all the small stations. Expensive project for less security. At least with chainlink, anyone inside would be seen. With the new easily scaled walls, there’s no way to see if anyone is inside.


11 posted on 11/24/2012 7:57:37 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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Ideally, we need every member and regular user to contribute to keep Free Republic up and running strong.

12 posted on 11/24/2012 7:59:41 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: marktwain
“There are ways that a very few number of actors with very rudimentary equipment could take down large portions of our grid,” FERC Chairman Jon Wellinghoff said today at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington. “I don’t think we have the level of physical security we need.”

We need to do what Bush did, and allow in more Muslims terrorist. Ya tell people Bush allowed in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades, during war time, and they give ya that lost dog look...

Go team!

13 posted on 11/24/2012 7:59:41 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: marktwain

The entire DHS memo, email reading, cell phone confiscating push by 0bama and cabal is based on their perception that insurrection is a real possibility. After all, that’s what 0bama’s OWS plans for, whether they won or lost the election. The marauding bands of thieves and looters are presently contained within the Black Friday rage events.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 8:01:17 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: marktwain

As much as I hate to admit it, the article is basically correct. The part about the .22 rifle may be stretching it somewhat although the bushings on the transformers may be vulnerable to damage from a .22 at close range. The real danger is from .50 BMG AP rounds. 50 cal rifles are readily available to the public and 50 BMG rounds can be had for $3.50 each. A .50 BMG will puncture the casing on a station transformer from a fair distance. And as the article mentions, high capacity substation transformers are custome made to order and have very long lead times.

My guess is that most electrical service to California could be interrupted by taking out 5 or 6 key high voltage substation transformers.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 8:04:26 AM PST by technically right
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To: marktwain

“A coordinated physical attack is a very, very unsettling thing to me.”

No problem, sir. “A coordinated physical attack...”...doesn’t worry your president at all. As a matter-a-fact...your president, his SOS, his UN ambassador, and his adoring main-steam media fan club would probably blame it on a homemade video shot by a disgruntled utility user...


16 posted on 11/24/2012 8:04:49 AM PST by moovova (Happy Thanksgiving to all. Say a prayer for your country when you bow your head over leftovers.)
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To: marktwain
An attacker “could get 200 yards away with a .22 rifle and take the whole thing out,” Wellinghoff said. For a “couple hundred bucks” a utility could install metal sheeting to block the view of transformers, he said. “If you can’t see through the fence, you can’t figure out where to shoot anymore.”

Facepalms on so many levels.

17 posted on 11/24/2012 8:04:49 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: technically right

I wouldn’t think it would require a .50. All you need to do is punch a hole in it so the oil starts leaking out and wait for it to overheat.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 8:14:58 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: marktwain

Another thought...

The TSA could guard the stations. 24 hour/day, armed guards.

Great, that’ll call for another governmental 50 bizillion bullet order.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 8:15:24 AM PST by moovova (Happy Thanksgiving to all. Say a prayer for your country when you bow your head over leftovers.)
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To: marktwain

Obamugabe’s energy policy is THE major threat to our power grid.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 8:17:43 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: DTogo

I think the nobama chap and his tyrannical minions basically feel threatened by people having freedom.


21 posted on 11/24/2012 8:17:43 AM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: marktwain
Rifles existed in this country long before the power grid.

If anything, it sounds like a really good argument for the decentralization of power generation, and the greater adoption of auxiliary generators for homes and apartment complexes.
22 posted on 11/24/2012 8:18:11 AM PST by indthkr
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To: marktwain

The problem is not that people are allowed to have weapons. The problem is that un-american sub-cultures have been allowed to fester within our borders, and our border security has been purposely diminished by the scum for whom the invaders vote.


23 posted on 11/24/2012 8:24:06 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: bgill
"At least with chainlink, anyone inside would be seen. With the new easily scaled walls, there’s no way to see if anyone is inside."

Most substations are both isolated and unmanned, so there is no one there to "see" anyone inside anyway. Motion-sensor triggered cameras linked back to "headquarters" fix the "problem". And those should be there whether there is an opaque fence or not (think "kids").

24 posted on 11/24/2012 8:27:03 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: MarineBrat
Well no cheet!

Ya got a government who rolled out the red carpet and aided and abetted the invasion of millions to enter illegally from God knows where, ya had Bush allowing in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades.....And now all these morons running government tell us we got bad guys in the house?

How f'd up is this?

25 posted on 11/24/2012 8:40:11 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MarineBrat
Regarding 25, I suspect it's all intentional....Create this big national security problem, divide the united, so corrupt big gov can fix it....Which means "Fix you" by taking away your rights and more punitive big gov control.
26 posted on 11/24/2012 8:47:26 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tupelo
My pet bee wants to challenge you

Does he produce Tupelo Honey?

27 posted on 11/24/2012 8:58:00 AM PST by kanawa
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To: MarineBrat

The problem is that an un-American subculture has been allowed to fester in the White House. Fixed it for ya.


28 posted on 11/24/2012 9:05:57 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: marktwain

If you bought all your guns in a gun shop, then the Feds have a record of what you have. THUS, go to a private person selling guns and buy some that the Feds do not know about. Then, when they come demanding them, and you give them up to stay out of jail, you will at least have something to defend your family. That is what I have done. Just in case.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 9:10:07 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 4-7. That about covers it.)
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To: marktwain

Who needs to pick up a gun to terrorize. ?

....Our POS-POTUS is the Chief Terrorist, Cook and Bottle Washer for said terrorist IMHO .

That said I want to thank you for all you do here at FR posting the crime stories . Read em everyday ....grateful for your time and effort.

Stay Safe !


30 posted on 11/24/2012 10:37:08 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: marktwain

“There are ways that a very few number of actors with very rudimentary equipment could take down large portions of our grid,” FERC Chairman Jon Wellinghoff said today at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington. “I don’t think we have the level of physical security we need.”

Looks like Bloomy is working another angle for gun control.


31 posted on 11/24/2012 10:38:44 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: tacticalogic

32 posted on 11/24/2012 10:39:57 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: marktwain

Stopping potential terrorists at the borders is the last thing that will ever occur to them.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 10:45:37 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Travis McGee

Learned how to shoot popping Insulators off of Power poles, 30-06 at 16, retired after 40 years as a manager in the Utility Biz, turns around, comes round.


34 posted on 11/24/2012 11:12:43 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: marktwain; Squantos; Travis McGee

Like I said on fbook..if I desired to take out large portions of the grid..neither rifles nor HE would be the tools of choice.


35 posted on 11/24/2012 12:31:33 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: marktwain
You could take down the whole power grid with helium filled Mylar balloons. They are a million ways to take down the infrastructure and stop society in its tracks.

The key is not to let our enemies into the country. The leftist radicals and their immigration policies have opened the door and now it is too late.They have let in the Muslims and allowed Mexico to invade. We are going to experience some real pain with the loss of America values and culture. I see the erosion of our country everyday and it is occurring at an alarming rate.

36 posted on 11/24/2012 3:06:43 PM PST by pterional
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To: technically right; All

There are lots of rifles that can do it at calibers much more common than .50 BMG.

There are many ways it can be done with homemade items.

Rifles are not the problem. There is a study that was done under President Bush (W) that said we needed ways to replace these custom built transformers quickly. It is about a two year wait to have one built now, and they are built overseas.

A design was developed for a three part modular transformer that could replace 95% of the large custom jobs. Each module could be transported in a standard container by semi-truck and train.

I do not know if they ever built a prototype.

If we were wasting money on the stimulus, some of it should have gone for 20 of these systems. They would likely cost less than 20 million, total, but I guess Solyndra was considered far more important than insuring that we could get the power grid up quickly after a massive solar flare, EMP attack, or physical attack such as the one described.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 6:13:04 PM PST by marktwain
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