Skip to comments.TriHealth fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots: Co. offered shots for free (Cincinnati)
Posted on 11/24/2012 1:04:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
CINCINNATI One of Cincinnatis largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.
TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said...
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Well, another place I’ll never work.
Had two flu shots in my life, caught the flu both times. No flu shots in the last 42 years - and no flu.
And all the people that push that crap can kiss my rusty dusty. I am absolutely convinced it does much more harm than good.
I knew an adult who got MS. As far as they can figger for a cause was a flu shot but it was unprovable. I do fine without them but worked with a guy who got it immediately after getting a shot. He never got another flu shot.
They’re pushing it heavily at the VA hospitals. Never had one, that I know of, though the military gave me so many shots that anything could’ve been in those. You got the flu from it?
Definitely wrong! I would think a lawsuit is in the making?
Healthcare workers or not, I don’t understand being able to force anyone to do anything to their body without a court order and a darned good reason.
Same here. The only flu shot I ever got put me down for a week.
“You got the flu from it?”
Not the day I got the shot, but within the next few months. By the way, if you press any of the liars you meet about this, they will then change their tune and say that the shot may not keep you from getting the flu, but that the flu you get will be ‘milder’ because you had the shot.
I always answer, “the flu I’ve gotten while not taking the shot has been even milder yet - none at all!”
I am absolutely convinced the flu shots are nothing more than a huge profit for the drug companies and have absolutely NO benefit to society.
One of my 2 doctors warns against getting a flu shot. He was happy to hear that I don’t get them. My last one was about 15 years ago. I have bad allergic reactions to the shot that got worse every shot. My last and final one caused my arm to swell up for about a week with a knot about the size of a half pin pong ball. The knot gets really hot and is very painful. Not a normal pain like a tetanus shot or a hard punch in the arm. It’s more like a branding.
BTW - I did get the flu once since then. I missed 11 days of work. I would still rather have the flu than the shot.
I’ve never had a flu shot. One year when we lived in Michigan, our next door neighbor got the flu shot, and we ran into him when he arrived home from getting the shot. He had the flu within 24 hours, and hubby and our children all had it within days. That ruined me on those shots.
We had swine flu hit our house before it was a big news item. One of our boys caught it from his baseball coach who had gone to Mexico for a weeklong vacation. The flu shot would not have helped.
And people on FR wonder why some workers might want join a union. The union hall of fame would be filled with the portraits of the senior managers of this company.
Supplement at least 5,000 iu’s of D3 a day. Forget about a flu shot.
I’ve never had any ill effects from flu shots beyond a slight rise in fever and some tiredness.
Other than that, they seem to work for me. I’ve gotten the flu when I haven’t taken them, and not gotten it if I do.
A doctor friend tells me that they are absolutely ineffective if taken after the flu season breaks out, that odds are you’ve been exposed in one way or another, so taking them late is a waste of time and money.
It is correct to be able to make it a condition of employment. Company owners have a right to freedom, just like employees.
When you enter an agreement with a company or person, you are simply making laws that bind the two parties. It is your choice to enter into the agreement or not.
H1N1 strain was included in the vaccine by that winter (and still is). I didn't elect the flu shot for my kids that season because they had also already contracted the swine flu (diagnosed in the ER) so had natural immunity. But the immunity is temporary so they and I have had the shots since (mine last week, and it hurt pretty bad for an hour and then quit. Usually I feel nothing).
So much for free choice, as long as you do your job. My wife and I refuse to get flu shots, despite the coercion from others. We never get the flu. However, everyone we know who gets them seem to get sick often. Our granddaughter had to get the shot (required), and she was sick a week later with a high fever. I haven’t been sick in many years, don’t want to start now, no shots for me.
Me too-— never had too much of an issue taking the flu shot.
Remember that the flu shot is a crap shoot-—its only effective against the strains of flu they predict will hit that season. If another strain is not included and it strikes the person then the flu shot is ineffective. Since I travel in planes constantly I need all the protection I can get.
Oh - and please note that I would never work there. I don’t get flu shots.
disclaimer I worked has a public health nurse so my bias is clearly toward vaccination
really whether the hospital is within its legal rights depends on the employment contract that employees signed. If their contract stated that they agreed to receive the flu shot annually as a condition of employment than yes the hospital is within their rights to fire employees out of compliance.
there are valid contraindications for not receiving a flu shot allergic reactions being among them
influenza vaccine requires two weeks to mount a proper immune response to provide protection. also the vaccine is not 100 percent effective in preventing the flu and effectiveness is individual and generally decreases with age
injectable influenza vaccine can not cause flu because it is made from dead virus not capable of causing infection. the mist is different and can cause flu because it contains live ( although altered) virus especially in immunocompromised individuals
the flu is a serious illness that causes approx 30,000 deaths/year and countless $ losses in productivity due to absences from work/school/daycare
off soapbox now
Except when companies do not wish to offer insurance that covers abortions?
It is just a matter of time before the Feds require flu shots for the masses. Eat your peas, dear.
Got a flu shot, felt miserable for 2 weeks, felt better after 5 weeks, then got the flu bad in short order. Never again. Ever.
The two times that I have had a flu shot, I have gotten sick. The worst head/chest colds ever. Not the flu. Yet if I don’t get a flu shot, I don’t get that nasty cold. nor do I get the flu.
I just don’t see an upside to getting a flu shot, so I don’t get them.
I do D3 also but experimental evidence of D supplementation conferring influenza immunity is really sketchy. Difficult to replicate, etc. But taking it during the winter in cloudy, higher latitude areas would seem to make sense on general principles.
Me too. I got the shot twice over a span of four years and got the flu within 2-3 days of each shot. I was told each time, “It is absolutely impossible for you to get flu from this shot”.
Mmm hmmmm. I have had the flu only once since then and it was the Asian flu, which the shot wouldn’t have helped anyway.
I would refuse the shot as well. You just never know where it is being manufactured (China anyone?) or what they are putting in it. The people pushing it will freely say that it is a crapshoot as to what type flu it will cover.
This year's vaccine has two B strains and one A strain, IIRC.
You’re a “free rider” on the immunization bus. If enough other people get the flu shot, odds are you won’t get the flu. If too few get the flu shot (below a threshold of about 2/3 of the population), the odds of an epidemic jump — and you’re likely to get sick.
Yes, flu shots can cause illness. Too few people treated invite epidemics. Those who get flu shots are “taking one for the team”. Those who don’t are free riders. A lot more deaths result from regular epidemics (to say nothing about pandemics), than from regular flu shots. Those are just the facts — now, what’s the right thing to do?
Sounds like they need a better union.
wow, you can’t make your own health care decisions any more?
Don't have this season's info yet but last year, 2011-2012 season, there were six contracted manufacturers who provided U.S. vaccines. None in China.
The manufacturers licensed to produce the nations 2012-2013 flu vaccines and the brand names of the vaccines for the upcoming flu season are:
Afluria, manufactured by CSL Limited;
Fluarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals;
FluLaval, manufactured by ID Biomedical Corporation;
FluMist, manufactured by MedImmune Vaccines Inc.;
Fluvirin, manufactured by Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited;
and Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose and Fluzone Intradermal, manufactured by Sanofi Pasteur.
OK, seems to be the same ones this year. And a correction: it is two A strains and one B.
I think we are agreeing.
It's wrong for the fed to force companies to do anything like "supplying" insurance for their employees or have to pay a fine (tax). Such things should be left up to free citizens who are responsible for themselves. If a company wants to offer them to be competitive and hire good employees, great!
“Youre a free rider on the immunization bus.”
And you’re delusional.
I can remember at least twice in the last twenty years trying my best to hold down a nearly empty office, because of the number of people out with the flu - most of whom had flu shots. I guess the old “immunization bus” makes some unplanned stops.
I could have written your post myself.
I got the bronchitis two years in a row right after the shots ,and the pneumonia once after ghetting flu shots. Last 3 years I passed and got by just fine.
No flu shots for me.
I don’t have a problem getting the flu. Sure, it sucks and I’m miserable but, I am less risk that having someone inject me some goo that might do more harm.
Skip that. When I took flu shots three years in a row, while taking care oh my 97 year old friend I still got the flu.
I just dealt with it and enjoyed plenty of chicken soup.
I remember being forced to be vacinated for polio by the government as a school chld.
Military, you have no choice.
I have never had a shot and never will get one.
Quite frankly, the way they are pushing these things, and making the flu out to be the next “black death plague” on the ads on tv and radio it really makes me wonder what ELSE is in these shots other than “protection” from the flu.
I am not normally the tin foil hat type, but when the government and medical establishment practically shove these things down people’s throats, it really makes you wonder..
I don’t know about nationally, but in Texas for the last four years or so, if you are admitted to a hospital, you are questioned about flu annually (~oct to mar) and pneumonia vaccines (every 5 yrs). If you meet mandated criteria (most inpatients do) then you are automatically ordered both vaccines.
A doctor would have to specifically order no vaccine and state a reason in his progress note to cancel the order.
Texas Dept Health requires hospitals to show: 1. patient was already vaccinated, 2. documentation of vaccination by discharge, or 3. doctor progress note explaining why to hold the vaccine.
No hospital has a choice about this: it’s mandated.
Beginning this year in Texas, health care workers must either submit to a vaccine, or wear a mask every minute they are at work, even on breaks, from first noted community case of flu through April. Failure to do so is grounds for termination. This is a result of new State Law that went into effect this year.
I believe that an employer has the right to terminate an employee if the employee doesn’t want to meet the standard of employment. That said, these mandates are coming from the government.
Yes, we are in agreement.
My husband got his first and only flu shot about 17 years ago. The fragments of virus attached to his blood platelets, his spleen killed off the platelets down to almost nothing, because he then had no ability for normal internal clotting activity he bled everywhere... into the skin, in the mouth, out every orifice, and into the eyes. He had an emergency surgical removal of the spleen which saved his life, but it didn’t save his eyes. He is blind from a flu shot.
The 36000 deaths/yr was cited by julie gerberding, former head of the CDC, with no background information given. She's now the head of Merck's vaccine division. No link there. I'm sure. The CDC apparently collects ALL deaths from pneumonia (from any cause) and collates them under 'flu death'. We don't know for sure because the CDC has denied any FOIA requests into the specifics of that particular data set citing (last I heard) 'national security'.
Most of the safety and efficacy studies are run by the makers. Who knows if they're truthful or accurate. Given the general corruption present in the REST of government, it doesn't seem rational to expect that ONE particular governmental agency to be squeaky clean when all the rest of them are filthy.
Then, there's this:
Take a shot, take a chance.
Ive never had any ill effects from flu shots either, not even a slight fever or fatigue; the worst was a little soreness at the injection site and I didnt even get that with this years shot.
Flu shots do not give people the flu. However the later in the flu season that someone gets a flu shot, the more likely they are to get the flu before the vaccine takes full effect.
People need to understand that the flu shot takes about two weeks to confer immunity so it is possible to catch the flu during that time and even then it only protects against the most prevalent strains of flu that season (thats why there is a new flu shot formulation every year). And in some years the virus match is better than in others, but even with a less than perfect match to the prevalent strains, one is still better protected against a severe case of flu with a shot than without.
Also the flu shot does not protect against the common cold, which having many symptoms similar to and in common with the flu, is often mistaken for the flu. Generally the flu comes on very suddenly, tends to last longer, is often accompanied by very bad body aches and a high fever, sometimes nausea and vomiting, deep chest congestion, a dry cough and fatigue lasting for a week or more whereas the common cold often starts with nasal congestion and a sore throat, tends to come on a bit more gradually and tends not to last as long. The most important difference is that the flu is much more likely to result in pneumonia or secondary bacterial infections which can be life threatening, especially in the very young, the very old in people with underlying health problems.
I will also add that I suffer from allergies this time of year (late fall through winter). At least once a year Ill get an allergy attack so severe that it very much feels like a cold or flu the sudden onslaught of uncontrollable sneezing, runny nose accompanied by deep body aches, fever, chills and fatigue. I feel like Ive been hit by a freight train and probably look like it. The last time this happened my boss told me (pleaded with me) to go home. The only way I know that its not a cold or the flu is that the symptoms completely disappear the next day.
I had one flu shot and got the flu, plus my arm swelled, turned red and was hot - doc said never to take another one as I was allergic to what they put in the shot.
I am very allergic to iodine - shrimp, crab, clam, and if I have one bite of any of those, I'm ultra nauseous three days, my skin turns red and gets hot and I have chills that three days.
I don't take flu shots no matter what a doc says (I'm the one who gets sick, he doesn't). In winter, I try to stay far enough away from people who are sick so that their spittle when they cough, doesn't get to me. I wash my hands well when I get back from going somewhere.
So I guess “My body My Choice” only extends to baby killing.
I,too, remember having to take the Salk vaccine when it first came out. It was the greatest blessing ever devised by Man.
Too late for my cousin Rosalee, she died a long,lingering death from this horrible disease, along with thousands of others, mostly children.
Thanks to vaccination, this disease has been all but eradicated.
Even those who survived the disease face problems later in life. Yeah, we should all refuse to be vaccinated for anything. /s
The same happened to me. I HAD to get a flu shot in the Air Force. A couple of months later I got the flu real bad. Never had one since and never had the flu again!
I’ve never had a flu shot and haven’t had the flu in over 35 years.
Not in Red Hampshire...most 'health care systems' (LOL) MANDATE flu shots or you WILL be fired. Employees hit with very little warning; most had NO TIME to find another job. Several have quit, many employees scared to death...especially employees with no patient contact.