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Russia to Conduct Open Skies Surveillance Flight over US
ria.ru ^ | 11/24/2012

Posted on 11/24/2012 2:27:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

MOSCOW, November 24 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military inspectors will begin a survey flight this week above the United States under the international Open Skies Treaty, Russia’s Defense Ministry has said.

Russian experts will conduct the survey flight over the US territory in a Tupolev Tu-154 M/LK-1 aircraft during the period from November 25 and December 3, a spokesman said.

The flight will start from the Travis Air Force Base, California. Its maximum range will be 4,250 kilometers (2,600 miles).

During the flight, Russian and US specialists will operate surveillance equipment on board of the aircraft as set out in the international Open Skies Treaty.

This will be the 36th survey flight this year made by Russian specialists over the territories of the Open Skies Treaty member states. Russia ratified the treaty in May 2001.

The Open Skies Treaty, which entered into force on January 1, 2002, establishes a regime of unarmed aerial observation flights over the territories of its 34 member states to promote openness and the transparency of military forces and activities.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agenda21; russiasurveillance; transparency

1 posted on 11/24/2012 2:27:10 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

More Agenda 21 U.N. bullcrap that destroys American sovereignty.. ‘What’s ours is everybody else’s’ is 0bama’s mindset too.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 2:30:04 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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3 posted on 11/24/2012 2:31:33 PM PST by narses
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This doesn’t concern me. These days, anything they see will be because we want them to see it.


4 posted on 11/24/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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5 posted on 11/24/2012 2:32:33 PM PST by narses
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To: cripplecreek; Tailgunner Joe
These days, anything they see will be because we want them to see it.

With luck the weather will be clear and they will get a good look at the sun reflecting off my shiny metal ass.

6 posted on 11/24/2012 2:47:41 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

LOL

We haven’t had national secrets for decades.


7 posted on 11/24/2012 2:51:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Funny that Open Skies was actually an Eisenhower initiative, which Khruschev rejected out of hand, leading to the development of the U-2 and SR-71. Oh the irony now...


8 posted on 11/24/2012 2:56:52 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cripplecreek
This doesn’t concern me. These days, anything they see will be because we want them to see it.

Indeed! We have other skunks to watch. In addition to OBOBO, we have an enemy that we can neither vote out, or have fired. That enemy be the so called "NEWS MEDIA", otherwise known as the Mainstream News, or MSN. They MUST be held accountable foe what they have done, or Not done!

9 posted on 11/24/2012 2:59:43 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

I guess this is what Barry meant when he said he would be “more flexible”?


10 posted on 11/24/2012 3:04:06 PM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Quit wasting the Taxpayer's money!!

Just use Google Earth.

11 posted on 11/24/2012 3:08:03 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, let's see.

Who was POTUS and which party was in charge of the U.S. Senate (which is charged with ratifying treaties) in 2002?

12 posted on 11/24/2012 3:08:09 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: timestax

I’m actually more concerned with the treaty than the actual flights.


13 posted on 11/24/2012 3:10:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

This is a prelude to other devious things concerning America citizenry, you know the home grown terrorists AKA Americans


14 posted on 11/24/2012 3:10:40 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, let's see.

Who was POTUS and which party was in charge of the U.S. Senate (which is charged with ratifying treaties) in 2002?

15 posted on 11/24/2012 3:13:33 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: cripplecreek


16 posted on 11/24/2012 3:15:45 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just finding the best spot to pop an EMP.


17 posted on 11/24/2012 3:20:37 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oh great. Putin’s still looking for me after I gave him that atomic wedgie. We were doing shots of vodka and I told him, “Vlad! Look at the grouse!” He bent over and I pulled his shorts up to Vladivostok.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 3:22:36 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Russian military inspectors”
WTH?

This is the first I have heard of this.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 3:22:50 PM PST by Selene
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The Russians aren’t worried about the US as a free market capitalist adversary. They’re worried we might out-power them as a socialist union.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 3:25:15 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: elkfersupper

You’re supposed to point fingers at the democrats only. How do you expect the republicans to screw us over if we’re going to lay blame at their feet?

I’m really starting to think the whole game is to keep the people divided so our anger isn’t turned on them all where it belongs.


21 posted on 11/24/2012 3:26:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: bigheadfred

Do we know what day they are coming over?
We should all get out our lifesize cardboard
cutouts of stealth fighters and put them in the
back yard and on expressway entrance ramps.


22 posted on 11/24/2012 3:26:47 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: elkfersupper

Advice & Consent of U.S. Senate: 6 August 1993
U.S. Ratification: 2 November 1993
Entry into Force (EIF): 1 January 2002

http://www.acq.osd.mil/tc/treaties/os/execsum.htm

Try again...had nothing to do with Bush...


23 posted on 11/24/2012 3:37:19 PM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Selene
This is the first I have heard of this.

"Doveryai, no proveryai" (trust, but verify) - Ronald Reagan, upon the signing of the IMF Treaty, December 8, 1987

So I'm not sure why. Russian (and before that Soviet/WarPac) military inspectors have been part of just about every arms treaty we've signed with them for the last 30 years. They've been here in the US on-site monitoring compliance with SALT, the aforementioned IMF, START, START II, etc.

Open Skies is just another one of these treaties. Note that we (the US) performs Open Skies flights over THEIR territory as well (using modified EC-135s). And the monitoring crews are bi-national (the article specifically says that our guys are working the equipment with theirs)

I don't see what the big deal is here. This has been going on for a long time, under many treaties, and it's a joint US-Russian effort for which we receive reciprocity. Before getting all spun up people should recall that great Reagan quote ... and realize that it needs to work both ways.
24 posted on 11/24/2012 3:44:38 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Timber Rattler

Let me know when they are over north florida so I can either give em the bird or a nice moon.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 3:50:43 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: EBH
Try again...had nothing to do with Bush...

You try again. I never said it did.

26 posted on 11/24/2012 3:50:59 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: tet68

Love it. Skunkworks showed us how to do that properly with heat signatures.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 3:58:14 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well we can’t blame this one on Barry. Lets see, who was president in 2001?


28 posted on 11/24/2012 4:05:42 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tanknetter

The timing of this is odd.

+ they frequently seem to show up unexpectedly.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 4:14:51 PM PST by Selene
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is sheerest madness, and can only lead to trouble.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: All

Vodka hell is going on?


31 posted on 11/24/2012 4:40:17 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (Obama: Just as I stilled the waters, I will bring peace and prosperity ... ruh-roh.)
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To: Jack Hammer

From the Treaty summary referenced above:

“States Parties are allowed to conduct observation flights on 72 hours notice”

So, this is a recent development.


32 posted on 11/24/2012 4:46:24 PM PST by Selene
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To: Georgia Girl 2

When did we ratify it?

If before Jan 20th...Clinton!


33 posted on 11/24/2012 5:21:09 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: cripplecreek
We haven’t had national secrets for decades.

Yep, just look at the vacant guard shacks outside many of our military bases.

34 posted on 11/24/2012 5:29:43 PM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke

Just look at the international crisis group and no rational person could believe we have national secrets.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx


35 posted on 11/24/2012 5:32:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They’re updating google maps...


36 posted on 11/24/2012 5:36:56 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VciTnYA4Bfk)
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To: tanknetter

You’re right.
No big deal.

Plus a whole lot cheaper than U-2s.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 5:42:15 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: tet68

That is an excellent idea.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 6:21:03 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: EBH

The treaty was a George H.W. Bush initiative and he signed it in 1989.


39 posted on 11/24/2012 6:21:19 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Selene
The timing of this is odd.

Per the article, this is the "36th survey flight this year made by Russian specialists over the territories of the Open Skies Treaty member states".

So it seems they're conducting a flight roughly every week and a half. But not just in the US but of other treaty member states.

Here's the US Dept of State site on Open Skies, looks like it was updated just this past March. This part seems pretty pertinent: "Typically, the United States receives 6-8 observation flights from Russia each year, while we conduct 14-16 flights in Russia." So IOW (and assuming DoS is trustworthy in this matter) the US conducts roughly twice as many flights over Russia as the Russians do on us.
40 posted on 11/24/2012 6:42:10 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This wouldn’t have ever been allowed if Americans were still running this country.


41 posted on 11/24/2012 7:01:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: tanknetter

Per wiki (who knows what is accurate) Russia has not done a US flyover since 2005 and that was the only one. The program was not implemented until 2002.

I did find somewhere where US observed Russia in early Nov, so maybe they are doing this now as payback.


42 posted on 11/24/2012 7:15:20 PM PST by Selene
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Any Poles on board?


43 posted on 11/24/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (yup)
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To: tet68
Do we know what day they are coming over?

Great question. Travis is just up the road, and "open skies" works both ways, no? Why wouldn't they announce the day and the route?

Transparency and all that. I've never seen a Tupolev Tu-154 M/LK-1 in real life/

Tu-154 M/LK-1

44 posted on 11/24/2012 10:11:38 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

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45 posted on 11/26/2012 4:09:39 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: tet68

heh. Gonna need a lot of cardboard!


46 posted on 11/28/2012 7:37:36 AM PST by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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