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Lincoln, Liberty and Two Americas
New York Times ^ | CHARLES M. BLOW

Posted on 11/24/2012 4:41:35 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

The gap is growing between liberals and conservatives, the rich and the not rich, intergenerational privilege and new-immigrant power, patriarchy and gender equality, the expanders of liberty and the withholders of it. And that gap, which has geographic contours — the densely populated coastal states versus the less densely populated states of the Rocky Mountains, Mississippi Delta and Great Plains — threatens the very concept of a United States and is pushing conservatives, left quaking after this month’s election, to extremes.

Some have even moved to make our divisions absolute. The Daily Caller reported last week “more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states,” according to its analysis of requests made through the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.

According to The Daily Caller, “Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals.” President Obama lost all those states, except Florida, in November.

Snip nonsense and vomit

But even putting secession aside, it is ever more clear that red states are becoming more ideologically strident and creating a regional quasi country within the greater one. They are rushing to enact restrictive laws on everything from voting to women’s health issues.

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We are 2 different countries. I have nothing in common with these people. No shared culture or values. They are not my fellow citizens or neighbors.

Their definition of "liberty" is letting you kill your unborn children and letting gays get married.

These are the same liberaltarians who will ban

Guns Fireworks Smoking Trans Fats 16 oz soda

Give them CA and 100% control of a State. Federalism guarantees good experiments and lessons in what doesn't work.

1 posted on 11/24/2012 4:41:40 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084

If Texas seceded, I’d be tempted to move there even though the weather horrifies me.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 4:45:38 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Very condescending piece form a liberal POS. But at least he sees the divide.


3 posted on 11/24/2012 4:46:51 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

You’ve changed your tune!


4 posted on 11/24/2012 4:47:38 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
yep. After one such insane tirade Dennis Miller observed, "We really are two different tribes now."

Too bad, but reality is what it is. One tribe striving to preserve ancient traditions that got us where we are today, one tribe seeking to strike off on its own self-defined course, not just leaving behind but destroying anything of worth.

Bad times ahead.

5 posted on 11/24/2012 4:49:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Eric Blair 2084

These people make no logical sense.


6 posted on 11/24/2012 4:49:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Leaving aside all of the nauseating, politically-correct gobbledygook of the second paragraph, for once, Blow (and how ironically well-named he is) is bascially correct. Seccession is inevitable, we can only hope its more like Czechoslovakia and less like Yugoslavia.


7 posted on 11/24/2012 4:49:35 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
If Texas seceded, I’d be tempted to move there even though the weather horrifies me.

Texas has somewhere on the order of 6 climate zones.

Pick the one you want and go there.

Most people don't realize that depending on your direction and points of entry and exit, you can drive across Texas all day and still not be halfway done.

8 posted on 11/24/2012 4:50:42 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

expanders of liberty?

Seriously??

lol


9 posted on 11/24/2012 4:50:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: central_va

I worked until retirement to take my health benefits into retirement. Half the country just voted themselves free Obamacare.


10 posted on 11/24/2012 4:53:11 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“Interwoven as is the love of liberty with every ligament of your hearts, no recommendation of mine is necessary to fortify or confirm the attachment.

The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.

For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

But these considerations, however powerfully they address themselves to your sensibility, are greatly outweighed by those which apply more immediately to your interest. Here every portion of our country finds the most commanding motives for carefully guarding and preserving the union of the whole.”

— George Washington, Farewell Address


11 posted on 11/24/2012 4:53:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

‘Democrats may want to expand personal liberties’but Republicans have spent the last few years working feverishly to restrict them.’

Liberties the Dems will NEVER adhere:

1) Allowing us to opt OUT of Obamacare
2) Allowing us to opt out of Social Security
3) Rolling back gun restrictions


12 posted on 11/24/2012 4:55:09 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Let the Left deceive themselves. If they don’t compromise and are willing to let the United States break up because of their own partisan idiocy and intransigence, then I would consider supporting secession.


13 posted on 11/24/2012 4:55:20 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: elkfersupper
Texas has somewhere on the order of 6 climate zones.

Pick the one you want and go there.

You got it wrong. Just stay in place and the six climate zones come to you - sometimes in the same week.

14 posted on 11/24/2012 4:55:32 PM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

for later


15 posted on 11/24/2012 5:02:06 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“...and is pushing conservatives, left quaking after this month’s election, to extremes.”

I would love it if just once these lefty nincompoops would explain how wanting to keep this country as it is (or was) is extreme & pulling us into something we’ve never been is not.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 5:03:38 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Nachoman
You got it wrong. Just stay in place and the six climate zones come to you - sometimes in the same week.

Well, there's that. I currently live 8 miles West of the Texas border.

Year before last, we had a situation where it went from 12 below zero to 112 degrees in about 45 days. That's a 124 degree temperature change.

Before my father passed away, he was fond of speculating that the reason the SAC and TFW Air Force Bases all went away from this part of the world is that neither the people nor the equipment fared well with the temperature swings.

Then, there's the wind, but that's another story.

17 posted on 11/24/2012 5:05:49 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
‘Democrats may want to expand personal liberties’ but Republicans have spent the last few years working feverishly to restrict them.’

This amid a call for unity. What a crock.

These "personal liberties" are little more than a ruse, a false sense of license with which to build a society incapable of self-government, requiring a massive police state to settle disputes and a welfare state to mitigate the damage of its own doing.

18 posted on 11/24/2012 5:07:36 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: central_va

“Very condescending piece form a liberal POS. But at least he sees the divide.”

Good, between the condescension, and hubris, he seems worried because the rift is unbridgeable. The progressive Left, in this country, has not yet shown a proclivity to use violence against their most implacable enemy, the conservatives. For the US Left, the thought of violence is an anathema to their exalted self image. Conservatives need to continue to stock up and dissociate themselves from people on the Left. The witching hour will come, and we need to be ready.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 5:20:22 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: grumpygresh

I think the MSM and all the leftists in academia etc. are just as shocked as we ( conservatives ) are at how far and how fast they have gone toward totalitarianism and the destruction of the republic. I mean the Bush era seems like 40 years ago.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 5:23:37 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
rushing to enact restrictive laws on everything from voting to women’s health issues

Just as any properly functioning immune system does when an antigen is introduced.

The large population areas are liberal pustules that the body defends against.

21 posted on 11/24/2012 5:25:53 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: grumpygresh

Of course the Left is worried about secession.

‘Cuz then, they wouldn’t have productive people to take money from, to give to their non-productive voting majority.

(The sooner there’s a split from these fools & freeloaders, the better!)


22 posted on 11/24/2012 5:35:58 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Killing unborn baby girls is now “womens health” in their world. WTF?


23 posted on 11/24/2012 5:36:05 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Ciexyz
At least your employer stuck by is word; try having your retirement health benfits left on the table when employer "A" sells out to new employer "B".

Then try being a member of a minority group of retirees from a (huge) multi tier corporation who gets to spend his pension on health insurance for two.

If I didn't believe in conservative principles I'd consider Obamacare as revenge.

24 posted on 11/24/2012 5:46:14 PM PST by norton (a)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Eric Blair 2084.
Scrawling in the New York Slimes, Charles M. Blow/Blowhard: The gap is growing between liberals and conservatives... rich and the not rich, intergenerational privilege and new-immigrant power, patriarchy and gender equality... expanders of liberty and the withholders of it... densely populated coastal states versus the less densely populated states... pushing conservatives, left quaking after this month’s election, to extremes.

25 posted on 11/24/2012 5:55:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: canuck_conservative

I read the NY Times and New Republic (I like the old free Republic why fix it if it’s not broken?) just to know what the STATIST is thinking.

The left is a disparate mob of people who have nothing in common except their desire for big gubmint to address their grievance.

Environmentalists, unions, and every flavor of ______ (fill in the blank) activists.

The founding fathers gave us different state governments and 3 branches of fedrul gubmint. They saw this coming.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 5:55:48 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Ditto.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 5:56:05 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Democrats have become quite fascistic in recent years ~ they always had that in them and it's too bad nobody noticed it back when fascists were fair game.

They seem incapable of seeing it in themselves ~

28 posted on 11/24/2012 5:59:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Blow is right. Demented and sad, but he is right. These people are not my fellow countrymen.

I recommend reading Charles Murray’s book “Coming Apart”.

His thesis is that 50 years ago we had a shared culture. We all watched the same 2 news channels, 5 tv shows and read the same 6 newspapers.

2012, there are 5,765,876,845 sources of information and entertainment.

The lefts version encourages crap that doesn’t work but sounds good.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 6:14:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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30 posted on 11/24/2012 6:16:42 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"Democrats may want to expand personal liberties, but Republicans have spent the last few years working feverishly to restrict them."

Therein lies the crux -- a 180 degree difference in defining "personal liberties".

One side defines the option to kill one's baby as a "personal liberty". The other side defines that as murder.

One side defines the right to privacy as being free from unreasonable search and seizure. The other defines it as the freedom to do whatever you damn well please with whoever (or whatever) you want in your bedroom.

One side defines equality before the law as equal opportunity. The other defines equal opportunity as the right to an equal outcome.

One side defines "personal liberties" as implicit within a framework of virtue, the other explicitly denies the existence of a framework.

We're not the same people...at all.

31 posted on 11/24/2012 6:19:14 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Nachoman

LOL - so true, except for the 4 months of year when it is hotter than Hades.


32 posted on 11/24/2012 6:19:37 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

they will never let us be. surely their liberal “dhimmitude” indicates a deep insecurity that can be effectively exploited when the time arises.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 6:22:19 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The way to fix all this is for the Federal Government to respect and honor the intent of the 10th Amendment. We must also honor the spirit of the 10th Amendment by not trying to impose our social mores and wishes on the the more liberal areas of this country. If California wants to legalize pot and have gay marriage, let them. In turn, NY shouldn’t impose their values on Texas. We have common interests in many other areas. With a more limited Federal Government role and more active state governments, we will have more harmony and liberty for all.


34 posted on 11/24/2012 6:37:51 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Carry_Okie
Well said. . . build a society incapable of self-government, requiring a massive police state to settle disputes and a welfare state to mitigate the damage of its own doing.

I too about choked when I read,"Democrats may want to expand personal liberties, but Republicans have spent the last few years working feverishly to restrict them." Huh? I had to reread it to make sure I read it right. Do these people live on the same planet?

They really think that a massive centralized federal government that taxes us to death and cranks out 50-100 regulations a day is 'expanding our personal liberties?' Do they think that socialized medicine, czars, bloated bureaucracies, trashing the constitution, Cloward-Piven strategy, orchestrated economic destruction, and planned gun control is 'expanding our personal liberties?' HHS, Homeland Security, all the 'Departments of,' executive orders almost daily, TSA, . . you name it.

As others have said, at least he recognizes the divide. It's not going to get any closer. . .

35 posted on 11/24/2012 7:06:23 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: okie01

These statists are not my fellow countrymen. They are foreigners. I understand their goals and thoughts and it’s not American.

Time for a separation.

I knew this would happen eventually...I would get older and be as angry as Mark Levin.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 7:15:06 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1227496/posts


37 posted on 11/24/2012 7:46:50 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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The real issue is who will PAY for the grandiose schemes. The rich won’t. They’ll leave. The wealthy’s estates are already held in trusts.

The freeloaders and other moochers, takers and ‘organizers’ won’t.

Which leaves the people who work. Those folks are saying, “No. Get _______ your own damself.”

The Left broke this. They need to buy it.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 8:02:37 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“yep. After one such insane tirade Dennis Miller observed, “We really are two different tribes now.”
Too bad, but reality is what it is. One tribe striving to preserve ancient traditions that got us where we are today, one tribe seeking to strike off on its own self-defined course, not just leaving behind but destroying anything of worth.
Bad times ahead.”

Good post, short and succinct.

Did you ever see one of those films — made through microscopes — that show a single cell dividing? The two cells as they exist just before the separation, still with some common material stretched between them?

That’s where we are today. Two cells, two “tribes”.

Only yesterday, I recall a post by someone who used the language (paraphrasing), “a candidate who can unite us” again. Great platitude, but that time is over in America and it ain’t comin’ back. The country will NEVER again be united. The two sides are so ideologically opposed that common ground is all-but nonexistent, and reconciliation is impossible.

We are reaching that point in America where one of the two sides will remain a part of the whole only through force from above. A nation of un-alike peoples forcibly bound together, similar to Soviet-era Czechoslovakia.

The $64 question is whether at some point in the future, we can resolve our differences as did the Czechs and the Slovaks.

If we cannot, then we certainly are destined for the bad times ahead that you foresee...


39 posted on 11/24/2012 8:30:38 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: grumpygresh

>>>The progressive Left, in this country, has not yet shown a proclivity to use violence against their most implacable enemy, the conservatives. For the US Left, the thought of violence is an anathema to their exalted self image. <<<

Please allow me to politely disagree.

The left has shown a gleeful disposition when it comes to the destruction of a person’s reputation and character. Look at what they did to Clarence Thomas. The metaphorical gang rape of Sarah Palin and her children was chilling in its ferocity and enthusiasm. The left routinely paints their neighbors and fellow citizens as racist, bigoted, hate-filled, and warlike barbarians who deserve nothing but contempt. The left has organized college campuses to snuff out free speech. The left uses media technology to manipulate and outright lie about its own culture.

Certainly this is a step below genocide and the gulags - but only a step. The first thing you need to do is stigmitize the offending group, to shut them up, to make them seem distinctive and disgusting to polite society. The left has already done that to conservatives, and especially to Christians. They’re working on it for whites and men.

It’s the difference between emotional abuse and physical abuse. The left has been practicing emotional abuse for decades. Anyone who deals with abuse understands that physical violence is a next easy step.

God help us.


40 posted on 11/24/2012 10:52:22 PM PST by redpoll
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To: central_va
Very condescending piece form a liberal POS. But at least he sees the divide.

But did you notice that Charles the Blowboy is very subtly putting forward the concept of a "conservative problem" that may need to be "solved" by strong-handed methods?

Sort of like John Quincy Adams's solution for the "Southern problem", that he came up with after the tariff and nullification crisis of 1832-3.

I also like his arrogance in defining Megalopolis as "the greater country" -- anywhere you can't get good knishes at 2 a.m. is now "Indian country" and a Problem.

The reality is that the country he despises is America and has always been America -- not his Europeanized, secular-humanized, parlor-pink chunket of it.

41 posted on 11/25/2012 1:30:00 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Twotone
I would love it if just once these lefty nincompoops would explain how wanting to keep this country as it is (or was) is extreme & pulling us into something we’ve never been is not.

Stop thinking of MSM propaganda as statements or propositions which are arguable and falsifiable, or provable truth. They are only operational statements, political button-pushing intended to produce an opinion effect. They are, in Orwell's NewSpeak, prolefeed offered by duckspeakers for the brain-dead 'Rat masses to bellyfeel, to increase their bellyfeeling love for Big Brother.

As truth, they are nullities, in a vast sea of propagandistic nullities.

42 posted on 11/25/2012 1:44:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Art in Idaho
The ultimate goal is to treat the unwashed prols like cattle. To feed them and give them a pasture and free grazing. The Ivy League progressive "elites" are like the farmers, conducting breeding experiments and deciding the fates of a few cows.

I just wished we would stop spending money on education, why does a cow need to go to school?

43 posted on 11/25/2012 5:05:55 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yes, but maybe it’s time to make these people define their terms. Otherwise, we let them get away with it & the brain dead don’t get any other message.

I read years ago that the pattern of brainwaves of someone watching the television are identical to those of a person asleep. It’s time to wake people up! For instance, Fox always has an R & a D debate each other in little segments. If every time a D said so & so is ‘extreme’, the R said ‘define extreme’ & then counter it with “How can we be extreme if we are essentially status quo?”, then we might begin to take back the conversation on our own terms. And show who really is extreme.


44 posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: redpoll

I do agree with you. The Left is only a few small steps in the rationalization process from the outright use of force against conservatives. Race baiting, PC, and hate speech codes are disturbing rationalizations designed to eliminate free speech and dissent. 0bama has the power to detain via NDAA, and he has the authority to impose martial law under non-emergency situations. If the Left does decide to use force, they will probably use a ‘crisis’ as their rationalization. Then they will have to come down on the public quickly; they will shut off the Internet, completely take over the media, restrict travel, and institute martial law wherever needed. The idea is to prevent organized resistance.


45 posted on 11/25/2012 7:34:22 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: central_va

Agreed, although the guy is a lefty, at least he understands we cannot live in the same house anymore, we have nothing in common. There will be a time that we somehow need to separate peacefully or we rumble to put it simply.


46 posted on 11/25/2012 8:19:34 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Post Toasties
Let the Left deceive themselves.

Charles Blow is too busy deceiving you. He mentions in passing that Mountain West States are included in this secession wavelet -- and it's only that, a wavelet -- but when it comes to saying which States specifically had seen secession petitions, Charles turns to The Daily Caller, holding them at arm's length to mumble a little Big Lie:

According to The Daily Caller, “Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals.” President Obama lost all those states, except Florida, in November.

Thus he leaves the false impression that "it's the Confederacy again" -- those people -- Simon Legree and his lash, ogrish Klansmen in robes and hoods, riding by night to oppress the Righteous Poor of the Earth.

In fact, this is another typical-liberal use of a hate-puppet caricature of the people he is talking about, in order to demonize a much broader and very different population of American conservatives.

It's hate literature, when The Daily Caller and Blow tell it like that.

47 posted on 11/25/2012 9:57:42 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: okie01
One side defines the right to privacy as being free from unreasonable search and seizure. The other defines it as the freedom to do whatever you damn well please with whoever (or whatever) you want in your bedroom.

I always point out that, if I were using my bedroom to print up near-perfect copies of twenty-dollar bills, liberals wouldn't think my bedroom so sacrosanct.

Crime is crime, and wickedness is wickedness, and spreading disease is spreading disease.

Public health officials in old New York seized Typhoid Mary without much consideration of, much less respect for, her rights as a person. So how is Blow's favorite Disease Center and antpile now part of the "land of (real) liberty"? The truth is, he's inverted the geographical regions' attention to the liberty interest.

48 posted on 11/25/2012 10:06:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Twotone
Yes, but maybe it’s time to make these people define their terms. Otherwise, we let them get away with it & the brain dead don’t get any other message.

Yes, that's exactly what Orwell warned about the Communists' misuse of language. Totalitarian speech is always necessarily dishonest and relies heavily on loose or imprecise meanings of things to accomplish their deception. And physical violence, or the threat of it, is always the closer.

Some people believe in the forum of ideas, and that bad speech will always be driven out by better speech. Our own history demonstrates otherwise, as when the liberty interest was defeated by the business interest in the ratification of the Constitution with its Hamiltonian trapdoors and weasel-phrases, a situation that was only partly retrieved by Federalist James Madison's gracious accession (Hamilton continued to fight it, in Federalist 81) to the Antifederalists' demand for a Bill of Rights, which was possibly an even greater document than the Constitution itself, and, with Magna Carta and the Declaration of Independence, one of the greatest writings in all of human history.

It behooves us always to remember, the Bill of Rights was made necessary by the Federalists' new Constitution. So much for the Constitution's strength, by itself, as a liberty document, and for the Federalist party as champions of our liberties. (In office, they soon wrote the hateful Alien and Sedition Acts, and it was one of their party who first floated the idea, 20 years before the event, of "reorganizing" the South by force into a more cooperative posture.)

So the "marketplace of ideas" will not by itself protect us from bad, even evil, ideas -- and Charles Blow is here the embodiment of that evil, and The Old Grey Whore is the institutionalization of it.

49 posted on 11/25/2012 10:43:48 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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If I didn't believe in conservative principles I'd consider Obamacare as revenge.

The only thing more sacred in business than "a deal is a deal" is breaking that deal.

50 posted on 11/25/2012 10:57:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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