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Benghazi and Voter Fraud
11/25/12 | Chrisnj

Posted on 11/25/2012 5:41:06 AM PST by chrisnj

Focus, people! Only 2 things matter - 1. Benghazi 2. Voter Fraud

Benghazi - Do Not be gloom and doom self-fulfilling the 'prophecy' that nothing will be done to expose the truth and bring the murderers in the admin to justice! Keep it front and center - bombard media and congress, educate the public. DON'T LET THIS MATTER DIE! DON'T BE DISTRACTED! SUSAN RICE IS NOT THE ISSUE! THE BUCK STOPS AT OBAMA, GO AFTER OBAMA! Demand that he testifies to congress! WE CANNOT LET OBAMA AND HIS CRIMINALS GET AWAY WITH MURDER! There are millions of us. Why can't we UNITE to expose the murderous schemes and lies and cover-ups? JUST DO IT!

Voter Fraud -

Enough talks of next messianic presidential candidate, new demographic, new messaging....... the soul searching ends here - eliminate (at the minimum, reduce) voter fraud! Without a fair, clean voting system, they will always count enough votes to ensure they defeat us! With election fraud eliminated or greatly reduced, we have a level playing field where the LEGITIMATE voters can decide whom THEY WANT TO BE OUR LEADERS. There are still millions of rational voters who know what is good for the country. Currently election fraud has rendered their votes irrelevant!

To start -

establish voter id law in your states;

clean up voter registration - no illegals, no felons, no dead people, no out-of-state voters, and any other ineligible voters per the rules;

demand your state use paper ballots so there are paper trails;

demand all electronic voting machines be abolished;

help elect honest, non-Soros-bought Secretary of State in your state;

and any other ways you can think of....

IT IS NOT WHO VOTES BUT WHO COUNTS THE VOTES THAT MATTERS!!!!

Remember: they will take our money anyway, until we manage to remove them; we want to starve the beasts.

So why not devote more time (even at the expense of making less money), to pursue a fair, clean election system to win election and start healing the country for our future generation.

Politics does affect everything - your life, your money, your rights, your happiness, your families, your children....

So charge ahead!

FOCUS!!!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: benghazi; fraud; vanity; voter

1 posted on 11/25/2012 5:41:13 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj
(Obama)...Demand that he testifies to congress!

LOL....you can't be serious...

There are about a dozen reasons, some legit, some bogus that will never ever happen...

Ever hear of of "separation of powers" ?

2 posted on 11/25/2012 5:57:22 AM PST by Popman
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To: chrisnj

Has anyone ever notice how when somebody thinks they got away with something without your realizing it, they’ll have you focus on something else like the future? “Let’s move on with our lives” and to move “Forward”, etc.

You can’t tell what the truth is unless you look at the past so don’t let other people’s agendas keep you from seeking it wherever it is you have to look and on who or what you should “focus”.


3 posted on 11/25/2012 6:04:01 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: chrisnj

IT IS NOT WHO VOTES BUT WHO COUNTS THE VOTES THAT MATTERS!!!!

Or, in the current case;

Why count when we can just get our friends in the media to announce the winner. Then everyone goes home for a nap.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 6:09:53 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: equaviator
Obama’s “gifts” essentially bought himself another four years. The only way to put a stop to this is to find evidence of treason.
5 posted on 11/25/2012 6:10:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

It does look as though (and am speculating) 2000 was a warm up for 2012.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 6:15:14 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The only way to put a stop to this is to find evidence of treason.

IMHO it was to cover up gun running by the administration. Its the only scenario that seems to make sense.

7 posted on 11/25/2012 6:20:54 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: chrisnj

demand all electronic voting machines be abolished;

That most likely will happen. We will be voting by computer someday. I know New Jersey allowed for e-mailed votes, but I don’t know if that will happen, but I think they will come up with some voting program that allows folks to vote on their secure computer. That is coming.....


8 posted on 11/25/2012 6:20:54 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Popman
I agree with your ‘don't back down, don't give up’ attitude. Regarding the voter fraud issue, I'd be interested in surveying FReepers to see what ideas people have about securing an honest voting process. The paper ballot idea is a good one, but let's be creative and see what we can come up with. One thing I would like to see instituted is having several video camera systems at every voting site, creating a video record. This can't be that expensive or difficult to do.

If we are going to keep electronic voting machines I would like to see a system in which every vote automatically was linked to a specific number, and immediately tabulated - with the vote and the number associated with it dumped immediately into three separate off-site secure databases. When you vote, you will be given as a receipt the number that identifies your vote. This number would identify where the vote was cast, the time of day, the sequence, and a randomly generated few digits, but no personal information regarding the identity of the voter other than the fact that this PIN is linked directly to your vote. This PIN could then be used to verify your vote later - instantaneously online - to make sure it was registered for who you voted for.

I'm sure there are a ton of ideas out there. Let's collect them, and make proposals.

9 posted on 11/25/2012 6:22:10 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

If a voter fraud sound falls in a forest and no one hears it, did it really fall?


10 posted on 11/25/2012 6:24:19 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I'm sure there are a ton of ideas out there. Let's collect them, and make proposals.

My idea is rather radical...but it be easy to implement and cost almost nothing

Make conviction of voter fraud a capital crime...

Strap a few dems onto a death chamber gurney and kiss their asses goodbye...

Problem solved...

11 posted on 11/25/2012 6:29:55 AM PST by Popman
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To: Don Corleone

The only way to put a stop to this is to educate the masses. I had people change their vote when they found out about Benghazi.

Problem is we now have two major media outlets, the state-run media and conservative underground. There must be a way to override the state-run media and get the word out to those people who never watch or listen to anything else.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 6:30:20 AM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The only way to put a stop to this is to find evidence of treason.”

Is it not treasonous for an already unauthorized person to assume the presidency whether fairly elected or not? And if otherwise treasonous acts are also committed then all actionable intelligence should be preserved as evidence, however underwhelming.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: chrisnj

There is a third issue without which the first two mentioned here could not have happened:the lack of a free press.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 6:37:38 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: chrisnj

Don't forget the coverup, whitewash and media blackout...


15 posted on 11/25/2012 6:37:54 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: chrisnj
DON'T LET THIS MATTER DIE!

I'm afraid it's already dead.

16 posted on 11/25/2012 6:49:11 AM PST by Washi
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To: chrisnj
The main purpose for liberals electing Obama was to have a president who is bullet proof and literally above the law. His ability to play the race card, of have others play it for him gives him and them that immunity.

He will not be held accountable for any thing he does in office and no one in congress, NO ONE will ever have the courage to even mention the thought of impeachment regarding Obama.

17 posted on 11/25/2012 7:02:59 AM PST by Baynative
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To: chrisnj

Make United states military personnel responsible for managing the election. Order them to treat the ballot equipment, ballots and physical location with the same level of security and redundancy as they treat classified material.

Make the military (or national guard) responsible for counting the ballots and reporting the totals back the SOS for the states.

This is a national security issue.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 7:12:32 AM PST by myself6 (NOT voting for the GOP's socialist - Romney)
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To: equaviator

Has anyone ever notice how when somebody thinks they got away with something without your realizing it, they’ll have you focus on something else like the future? “Let’s move on with our lives” and to move “Forward”, etc.

You can’t tell what the truth is unless you look at the past so don’t let other people’s agendas keep you from seeking it wherever it is you have to look and on who or what you should “focus”.


Excellent


19 posted on 11/25/2012 7:18:01 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: chrisnj

In before the “voter fraud doesn’t matter” army marches in!


20 posted on 11/25/2012 7:23:41 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Cut the cable today!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

It was voter fraud pure and simple. I heard no reports of an Obama vote being changed to Romney on the touch screens. It was not “malfunction”. It was deliberate.

Precincts where O got 100% of the vote? Improbable.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 7:31:02 AM PST by buckeye49
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To: chrisnj

Benghazi will die, the less it appears on the front page, the less attention it will draw, and the way people are today, most will probably not remember it 6 months from now. The MSM will make sure that it is quickly forgotten.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 7:44:07 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: chrisnj
WE CANNOT LET OBAMA AND HIS CRIMINALS GET AWAY WITH MURDER!

We have and they have...

23 posted on 11/25/2012 8:02:03 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: chrisnj

Obama testifying to congress? Never happen. Even if it did, he would not do so under oath. So why even try to create a spectacle which would hurt republicans?


24 posted on 11/25/2012 9:07:40 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: All

Dear gloom and doom naysayers,

Hear all that gloom and doom:
the issue has died...
they will forget....

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy!

True - we don’t have a free press.
But it won’t/shouldn’t stop us from taking actions to fight them!

4 years ago, obozo’s ineligibility issue was a taboo even to the conservative media, now every one of them are talking about it. It becomes well-known and is having an impact, through our steady, relentless efforts despite the lamestream media ignoring, spinning and lying about it.
The impact would have been greater if we had all united to educate the public and expose the usurpation, but no, you insist that we can only vote him out. Now you see that you cannot vote him out, what do you do? Keep the gloom and doom - Benghazi? Not going to happen. Voter fraud? no one will do anything about it, blah blah blah...

NO one will do anything about anything if all we do is give up before we even get started!

No that I have the solution. Just a suggestion - to set priority and work towards it.

I think Benghazi cover-up/lies can be the force that cracks the dam. The facts are out there and it is harder for them to say it is conspiracy (unlike the elig issue).

It is hard against the lamestream media but it should not stop us from pressing the issue.

Voter fraud, if not dealt with, will doom all elections for us.

In both cases, we can work at state level, especially where there are GOP governors/state legislators. Press them on the Benghazi scandal and the voter fraud issues.

Keep spreading the truth relentlessly. It might take time, but we have to get it started somehow. If not now, when?


25 posted on 11/25/2012 9:28:45 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: Sgt_Schultze

See - so afraid to ‘create a spectacle’,
so afraid of the opponents,
so afraid to be called names,
so afraid of ......EVERYTHING!

then don’t do a thing and don’t cry either - oh yes you have the right to cry, just know that crying afterward is no use when one won’t do anything for fear of ‘creating a spectacle’.


26 posted on 11/25/2012 9:34:54 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj

Good golly you live in fantasyland. Your idea of creating an idiotic congressional circus might be okay if any conservative controlled the media promotion. But they don’t. There would be a unanimous media onslaught that would form a cocoon of protection around theOne while savaging the republican congress. Democrat congress critters would echo the media spin and the media would amplify the libdem congress. Do you been pay attention to yourself when you write, or do ideas just slow flow from your fingers without reflection?


27 posted on 11/25/2012 10:09:47 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Popman

National database, valid picture id along with valid ss#. You get caught committing fraud you go to jail and lose your right to vote. There should also be a test like getting your drivers license.


28 posted on 11/25/2012 10:13:20 AM PST by postal patty
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To: chrisnj

What you are espousing is exposing your naivete.

Your asking the troops to rally, but we have no point on which to settle. There are no established leaders.

I rarely post, and im not sure why i bothered, but with talk about folks like “Rubio” being the fella to run in 2016, i know we are pretty much doomed in 4 years as well.

If a true leader wont come forward we shall repeat our rout.

I dont believe in coincidences anymore, and i dont believe the lack of leadership we are experiencing is by chance.

If not for my belief in the Lord my God i would say we are doomed.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 11:01:37 AM PST by AHAB
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Benghazi will die, the less it appears on the front page, the less attention it will draw, and the way people are today, most will probably not remember it 6 months from now. The MSM will make sure that it is quickly forgotten.

Without a doubt. The voter fraud will be worse next election & the candidates will be just as bad if not worse & the give-me crowd will be larger & there is no way a conservative gets the WH. Face it. This nation is & will continue in the sewer for longer than I will be on this planet.

30 posted on 11/25/2012 11:07:26 AM PST by Digger
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To: postal patty
National database

Since there are no "national elections" just 50 states voting on the same day....I doubt very much we can get all 50 states to agree to one standard...

31 posted on 11/25/2012 11:58:22 AM PST by Popman
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To: Kenny

Who gave the order to the military to “Stand down” and NOT implement plans to rescue our men in Benghazi on 9-11-12?

When?

WHY?


32 posted on 11/25/2012 1:58:27 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF?)
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To: chrisnj

HOWEVER.. theres THIS;.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fEqkphVOkHc#t=5s


33 posted on 11/25/2012 2:41:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: All

We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America.

That’s what people fail to understand.

Col Allen West; “I don’t want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic.

Col West has opened the door.
It’s now up to We The People.

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.

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Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election. The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office. Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.

There are massive reports of criminal activity
(not mischief, not shenanigans, as many term the fraud- but CRIMINAL ACTIVITY) going on all over the U.S during the presidential election.
Reports of machines changing votes from Romney to Obama, eyewitness reports of Republican poll watchers who observed busloads of non-English speaking Somalians in Ohio being instructed to vote Obama- the list is endless.

http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

Romney lost because of this, not any other reason.
Nobody could have won against the fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama Machine.

The evidence is overwhelming!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/video-eyewitness-of-somali-muslim-voter-fraud-in-ohio-by-obama-camp.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-aVy_s76ZY

https://www.facebook.com/lori.patriot/posts/404694619604138

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-stole-the-election/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

feature=player_detailpage&v=LbOtYQceBxI-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_rMpQKqZhM

http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/

http://newtgingrich360.com/profiles/blogs/obama-stole-the-election

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts

http://appalachianforums.com/forums/Dickenson_County,_Virginia.pl/md/read/id/255145

http://beforeitsnews.com/election-2012/2012/11/stolen-election-evidence-is-mounting-everything-points-to-stolen-votes-2446928.html

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/adding-up-the-evidence-to-a-stolen-election/

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/allen-west-mitt-romney-and-the-massive-voter-fraud-machine/

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/voter-fraud/

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/01/voter-fraud-is-no-myth-its-more-common-than-you-think/

http://thewillcountynews.com/?p=415

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4279497/obama-stole-election/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud/page/full/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency

Accuracy In Media

The Left’s national voter fraud strategy exposed:

http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-lefts-national-vote-fraud-strategy-exposed/

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing:

http://www.examiner.com/article/cast-aside-thousands-of-votes-from-our-military-troops-uncounted-or-missing

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/#.UJsjsmjNq5x.twitter

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/volpe/complaint-filed-over-illegal-alien-voters/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chicago-source-tells-author-brad-thor-obama-campaign-planning-to-proclaim-early-victory-to-demoralize-romney-supporters/

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/05/brit-hume-on-presidential-polling-theres-something-wrong-here/#ixzz2BSER1mKj

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/matthew-vadum/obamas-army-of-illegal-election-workers/

http://mvpproject.org/in-the-news/va-military-absentee-ballots-going-awol-in-2012/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/03/Dozens-of-Romney-Voters-In-Colorado-Complain-Machines-Changed-Votes-To-Obama

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/11/03/breaking_naacp_takes_over_polling_station_advocates_for_president_obama_at_houston_polling_location

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/claims-increasing-switched-votes-in-ohio/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/more-electronic-voting-machines-changing-romney-votes-to-obama-we-looked-into-it-and-heres-what-a-vendor-told-us/

http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009/Problem-found-board-elections?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57550603/citing-high-number-of-rural-black-voters-maine-gop-chair-suspects-improprieties-at-the-polls/

http://www.naturalnews.com/037952_vote_fraud_Philadelphia_elections.html

Demonstration- voter machine hacked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc&feature=youtu.be

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/allen-west-mitt-romney-and-the-massive-voter-fraud-machine/#ixzz2CJk9QHHE

http://www.barackofraudo.com/

Go to http://www.facebookcensorship.com and see the documentation of their censorship and harassment.

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What you can do:
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The Competent Conservative: Here’s What You Can Do:

http://thecompetentconservative.com/elections-have-not-yet-been-certified-heres-what-you-can-do/

WND: How Obama Can Be Stopped In The Electoral College:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/how-obama-can-be-stopped-in-electoral-college/

The Competent Conservative: Here’s What You Can Do:

http://thecompetentconservative.com/elections-have-not-yet-been-certified-heres-what-you-can-do/

http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

Most of ‘Obama Voter Fraud’ activity is moving to FaceBook.
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‘Obama Voter Fraud’ on FaceBook-
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34 posted on 11/25/2012 2:54:46 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: AHAB

The tea parties have no established leaders. They are grass- roots doing what they can from the ground up.

The people who pursue the obama ineligibility issue have no established leaders. They work relentlessly to educate the public and expose the truth.

If you insist that the tea parties and the so-called ‘birthers’ have accomplished nothing, you have your head buried in the sand way too deep.

If we already have ‘established leaders’, we won’t be in such dire shape. There will be no obama lying, covering-up, usurping the presidency, Benghazi betrayal.....

We will never find the leaders if we don’t identify the problems, set priority, unite and work at it.

While you are waiting for the ‘established leaders’, your opponents would have destroyed you


35 posted on 11/25/2012 3:32:34 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj

So tell me...

Who do we have right now that can address the American people, and let them know that the reason the economy tanked was because of the housing market, and a little thing called the community reinvestment act??

Why do most independents believe it was just George bushs fault??

Because we have no credible leadership!

The tea party has been so stigmatized in the media that it is virtually useless.

WE need real leadership. We need real unity.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 3:56:52 PM PST by AHAB
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To: NotTallTex
There is a third issue without which the first two mentioned here could not have happened:the lack of a free press.
We actually have a free press. That’s actually the problem. What we need are free and independent presses. And that, we do not have.
Journalism consisted of many independent presses in the founding era, and up to the Civil War. By 1900, that was pretty much a thing of the past. The only question I for a long time had was why. I thought it might be the high speed press, but that really didn’t explain it. But one technology does: the telegraph. The telegraph, and the Associated Press.

The Associated Press was founded in the middle of the Nineteenth Century, and it did what suited its business model - it sold access, called membership, to its newswire to printers who needed to be able to compete on the basis of providing current information from distant places (including Washington, D.C.). And the member newspapers supplied their local copy to the rest of the net. Reporters, already eager to be published, were doubly eager to be published nationwide. It was win-win for the newspapers and the AP. For the news business, nirvana had arrived.

But the AP membership cost money, and to justify the expense the editor had to be able to sell a lot of that newly-available copy to readers. Problem was, how does an editor justify to readers that the news from the wire is reliable? The editor doesn’t know, hasn’t even met, and certainly never vetted and hired, the reporter who wrote that article about what happened in Cleveland. So how can that editor promote the reliability of that copy? The AP had the answer - sell the idea that all journalists are objective. Of course if you engage in some philosophy and logic, you might find the skunk in that woodpile - the fact that although anyone can try to be objective, no one can know that they are objective.

In order to seriously attempt to be objective, you must be open about the reasons why you might not be objective. In the case of journalists, that would include the fact that their need for attention is a motive to exaggerate the significance of any report they make, and the fact that they report on things which happened very recently is a motive to denigrate the significance of things which do not change quickly. Which leads to a temptation to exaggerate the importance of mere novelty. But of course, even as admitting that you are subject to all those temptations makes you more objective, it makes you appear to be less objective. And since journalists are in the PR game, the choice between substance and appearance is no choice at all. Appearance is what matters to people in the PR business, and appearance is what journalists go for.

Claiming objectivity - or even merely belonging to an organization which claims objectivity for its members - is entirely inconsistent with openness about any motives which might interfere with objectivity, and therefore is inconsistent with a serious attempt at objectivity. Thus we see that journalists working for members of the Associated Press are not even trying to be objective. They may claim to “give both sides of the story” - but if they believe that they actually are objective, they do not seriously believe that there actually might be another side to the story than the one that they identify with. So their description of the other side is practically certain to be a straw man.

Journalists claim not to be “liberal” - but given the fact that journalists are critics rather than actors performing to a bottom line, they are inherently simpatico with socialist politicians who also are mere critics. Critics who, if given power, cannot function as effective executives and so obtain terrible results - but who are great at excuses and demands to be judged only on their self-proclaimed “good intentions." So journalists assign positive labels such as “progressive" to socialists, and negative labels such as “conservative” to their opponents. Socialists have no principle above getting good PR for themselves, and journalists have no principle against giving good PR to people who go along and get along with journalists. So they exist in symbiosis, de facto if not de jury as a single organism.

Journalism and Objectivity


37 posted on 11/25/2012 4:56:31 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Good golly, you live in paranoidland!

Dealing with voter fraud and exposing Benghazi cover-up is creating ‘idiotic congressional circus’?????

So you are saying we should let the left conduct congressional circus (which they do all the time) while we should just watch in fear keeping our mouths shut to avoid their ridicule?

What do you suggest we do? Drop dead and let them trample all over us without ever taking a step to fight them? All because you are so fearful that you deem every effort to fight them fantasy only?

Sure you have the right to do nothing and to be fearful.

Fact is - those of us who choose to take steps to fight them are not fearful or have overcome our fear.

Even fantasyland is reachable by taking steps.

Paranoia will keep you in your cocoon forever.

Calling for obama to testify is perfectly legitimate because he said the bucks stops at him and that we should go after him, not Rice.
He might get away with testifying, but what is wrong with backing him into a corner or discrediting him by using his very own words??
Lack of lamestream media support has not deterred the Tea parties from winning 2010 election, or the so-called ‘birthers’ educating the public on obama’s identity fraud and usurpation (yes, we have not removed the usurper yet, but creating awareness is the first step in fighting the opponents)

What is wrong with dealing with voter fraud prior to elections?

We don’t always get the results we want, but making progress on the road there will accomplish much more than ‘not going there’ at all!


38 posted on 11/26/2012 3:19:47 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: All

I think we need to start another thread for Benghazi alone.

To those who are for the idea of dealing with voter-fraud prior to elections,

I will keep track of all the suggestions for future uses.

I suggest we share our ideas on what can be done about voter fraud.
I will start -

1. Floridians - appeal to Alan West to lead a voter fraud task force.
2. Other states - do the same - identify/appeal to the person who is a good leader to lead anti-voter-fraud actions
3. join web-sites/orgs that have various task forces, start or join the anti-voter-fraud group
4. submit your ideas to the anti-voter-fraud web-sites/org
5. spread the words, recruit people to work on anti-voter-fraud measures
6. bombard your governors/state legislators with demands on anti-voter-fraud measures.
7. contact/appeal to media (local newspaper, radio stations etc.) to help with anti-voter-fraud measures

Possible anti-voter-fraud measures -
1. voter id
2. clean voter registrars (exclude all ineligible voters for that county)
3. paper ballots
4. abolish electronic voting machines
5. new vote count reporting rules - e.g. have a set time after the poll closes for all to report the vote counts, no vote counts to be reported before that set time; all late reporting counties will have their ballots impounded to be audited, and there is a drop-dead deadline for late reporting, after which none will be counted;

6. no early voting;
new rules for absentee-voters - they are not allowed to vote in person on election day

7. new rules for delivering ballots to overseas military personnel - e.g. if the county misses the deadline for delivering the ballots to oversea military, the entire county’s vote counts will be null and void.

8. serious and immediate penalties when a person is caught voting more than once or impersonating another voter, or is outright ineligible to vote, e.g. with clean voter registrars and voter id, impersonators, repeated voters and ineligible ‘voters’ will be caught at the voting stations and detained immediately to be investigated, and punished severely upon conviction (other than prison term, he/she will be placed on a national black list and banned from voting for life!)
9. have our own version of black panthers stationed at the voting places to keep our own poll watchers securely in place
10. At counties where voter fraud is proven, all election officials will be fired.
11. start our own SOS project - identify and elect honest election officials to oversee election process/procedures

I know it is not easy, but while there is a will there is a way.

Please keep adding your ideas/suggestions.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 4:58:58 AM PST by chrisnj
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