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Sen. Rand Paul Renews Fight Over Indefinite Detention of US Citizens
The Hill ^ | Nov. 25, 2012 | Jeremy Herb

Posted on 11/25/2012 6:22:47 AM PST by VitacoreVision

Sen. Rand Paul renews fight over indefinite detention of US citizens


The Hill
Nov. 25, 2012


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is bringing a new — and more aggressive — approach to a longstanding debate over the Defense authorization bill, threatening to filibuster the bill to get a vote on his amendment limiting indefinite detention.

Paul’s amendment takes a new tack to curb the military’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism by affirming they have the right to a speedy trial by jury under the Sixth Amendment.

His push to change the indefinite detention laws for U.S. citizens follows a contentious fight last year where liberal Senate Democrats waged an unsuccessful attempt to scale back the detention laws before an 11th-hour, watered-down compromise was ultimately reached.

Paul’s filibuster threat could throw into flux what’s already been a long-winding road to the floor for the Defense authorization bill, which Armed Services Committee leaders have been clamoring to get on the floor since it passed out of committee in May.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last week that he would move to the Defense bill after the Thanksgiving holiday, and would allow for an open amendment process with a limited number of amendments managed by Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and ranking member John McCain (R-Ariz.).

The day after Reid said the Senate would move to the defense bill, however, Paul put a hold on the legislation, a move Paul took because there was not an agreement to vote on his amendment, according to his office.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Kentucky; US: Michigan; US: Nevada; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arizona; c; codepink; constitution; diabn; gitmo; ibtz; indefinitedetention; kentucky; michigan; ndaa; nevada; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; waronterror

1 posted on 11/25/2012 6:22:56 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

Another thing Romney completely screwed up on.


2 posted on 11/25/2012 6:27:22 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: VitacoreVision

Rand Paul is looking forward to 2016. I think I read that he is interested in the POTUS position. So, he’s going to make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention.


3 posted on 11/25/2012 6:36:26 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: VitacoreVision

Personally, if you can’t offer a court opportunity within six months of arrest, the authorities ought to be paying you $500 a day from that point on...if you are a US citizen.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 6:37:38 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Catsrus
Rand Paul is looking forward to 2016. I think I read that he is interested in the POTUS position. So, he’s going to make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention.

Unfortunately he has very dangerous positions on illegal alien amnesty. And despite his posturing, one must wonder what he really thinks of Israel given his father's horrific views.

5 posted on 11/25/2012 6:44:59 AM PST by montag813
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To: Catsrus

Rand Paul may indeed be doing what you say.

“make a few headlines, stir some pots and get some national attention”

But in this he is right.

Also-—at least he is saying SOMEthing.

The rest are sitting on their ass scared to death and wanting to give America to the illegals.
Where are the rest of th Republicans, they ALL should be screaming like raped apes.
Instead Baby Boehner is making deals, and the rest of the Republican Senate have grown mute.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 6:47:08 AM PST by Venturer
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To: pepsionice
Personally, if you can’t offer a court opportunity within six months of arrest, the authorities ought to be paying you $500 a day from that point on...if you are a US citizen.

6th Amendment: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Not a word even implying that this applies only to US citizens.

7 posted on 11/25/2012 6:50:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Catsrus

Rand Paul needs to answer serious questions to earn a lot of Conservatives’ approval. They are these:

1) Is Israel a tolerant nation deserving of America’s support?
2) Is Hamas morally equivalent to Israel?
3) How should we prosecute terrorism?

Hopefully, he doesn’t have all the same answers as his father, but at the same time, he had better have an answer better than Obama’s on Israel, to simply call Hamas the terrorist scum that they are.


8 posted on 11/25/2012 6:50:53 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: montag813
Rand Paul's Senate website says he's against amnesty.

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=12

Immigration

I do not support amnesty, I support legal immigration and recognize that the country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make a life for themselves. However, millions of illegal immigrants are crossing our border without our knowledge and causing a clear threat to our national security. I want to work in the Senate to secure our border immediately. In addition, I support the creation of a border fence and increased border patrol capabilities.

Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common.

I support local solutions to illegal immigration as protected by the 10th amendment. I support making English the official language of all documents and contracts.

Millions crossing our border without our knowledge constitutes a clear threat to our nation's security. Instead of closing military bases at home and renting space in Europe, I am open to the construction of bases to protect our border.
9 posted on 11/25/2012 7:09:31 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision
The law is in direct violation of the Constitution and as such the people of this nation must bar its enforcement at every opportunity, even to the use of arms. Those who initiated this abomination and those who voted for it must be removed from office by whatever means necessary, for if they are not they will continue their tyranny, justifying such with their false cries of public safety.
10 posted on 11/25/2012 7:19:25 AM PST by Ed Story
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To: VitacoreVision

Rand Paul has issues he is right on occasionally. Just as a broken clock in right twice every day.

However, he is NOT a republican anymore than his father. He is a Libertarian and should stop calling himself a Republican.

That being said, I will not denigrate the good people of Kentucky. They have a right to be represented by whomever they chose.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 7:21:38 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

Rand Paul has an excellent constitutional voting record, how does that make him not a Republican?


12 posted on 11/25/2012 7:38:28 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: Catsrus

Hey, bring him on. Anyone candidate who has absolutely no (zero) concern over what the medai blathers on about him is the only kind who can take this on.

I certainly can’t imagine him getting caught schmoozing for the camera wtih the Mata Hari twins (Rubio). He cares too much about his image.

Don’t know much about him yet.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 7:43:32 AM PST by stanne
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To: VitacoreVision

Because he has an excellent constitutonal voting record?


14 posted on 11/25/2012 7:47:54 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Sola Veritas

You are absolutely correct: the Pauls have no business calling themselves Republicans. And the GOP needs to make it even more abundantly clear to libertarian-minded people that they really aren’t welcome.

That way GOP won’t field candidates that spout off nonsense like “the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”.

The GOP really needs to banish people who say stuff like, “I am a libertarian with a small ‘l’ and a Republican with a capital ‘R’. And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”


15 posted on 11/25/2012 7:57:17 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Sherman Logan

Great point. If we forget that the Constitution does not give us rightd, but rather prevents government from violating our rights, then we’ve already lost.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 8:04:01 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: VitacoreVision

I thought Rand Paul was great...until he called for a round of amnesty followed by stopping all new immigration. I think stopping all new immigration is even more idiotic than amnesty. He is 2 for 2 for dumb immigration policies.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 8:13:29 AM PST by impimp
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To: impimp
I contacted Rand Paul's office.

I asked him to expand and clarify his views on immigration and amnesty, publicly.

Contact Sen. Rand Paul
http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=contact
18 posted on 11/25/2012 8:30:42 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision; IMissPresidentReagan; CourtneyLeigh; Just Kimberly; Knuckrider; MBohman; ...
thanks, for the post. :-)
A Kentucky Ping.

...for those interested. :D


19 posted on 11/25/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: VitacoreVision

Without the libertarian minded people on board w the GOP, the GOP is FINISHED

All of these so called “true conservatives” who bash Ron and Rand Paul are going to keep leading the GOP to election loses as far as the eye can see.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 8:37:54 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: wattsup; wcmcgr01; wedway78; westerncanon; XSaoirseX; BUKnightOne; mrs slocombe; kjfine; ...
A Kentucky Ping.

...for those interested. :D

Obama, Fool or Prince of Fools?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962789/posts


21 posted on 11/25/2012 8:40:33 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: wattsup; wcmcgr01; wedway78; westerncanon; XSaoirseX; BUKnightOne; mrs slocombe; kjfine; ...
A Kentucky Ping.

...for those interested. :D

Obama, Fool or Prince of Fools?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962789/posts


22 posted on 11/25/2012 8:41:36 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: kentuckycatholiceye; KentuckyGOP; kimmie7; kiss_of_angel_20; kupolitiki; KY Dittohead; ...
A Kentucky Ping.

...for those interested. :D

Obama, Fool or Prince of Fools?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962789/posts


23 posted on 11/25/2012 8:43:12 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: Morpheus2009

As 70% of Jews in america vote Israels’ enemies, why should we care much any more?


24 posted on 11/25/2012 8:44:59 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: VitacoreVision

Conservatives sometimes go a little wobbly with strict constitutionalists and all that personal liberty if it means following only the Constitution, without the volumes and volumes of additional laws and decades of habits that have been produced since.

I have to think abou this. Regarding our friends Israel, we do fund all her enemies, I presume for reasons having to do with leverage to keep our hand in the game at the table.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 8:45:27 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Sola Veritas

“However, he is NOT a republican anymore than his father. He is a Libertarian and should stop calling himself a Republican.”

Each party is an internal coalition of a wide variety of views. Libertarians, on many issues, find their home in the R party. So do social conservatives, so do fiscal conservatives, so do country club republicans, so do RINOs.

Far as I’m concerned, he has as much right to run there as any of the above. Voters make choices.

I’ve yet to see an R candidate that holds every view I do. Most go lame somewhere along the road.

Compared to Mitt, I’d prefer Rand, assuming he answers some tough questions about Israel satisfactorily.

For the record, I’m not a Republican. I’m a conservative who generally thinks the federal gov’t should do less here and abroad and stay the heck out of our lives in most ways. Maybe even obey the Constitution.

In case no one has noticed, our country can’t even pay interest on the debt + entitlements without borrowing. That doesn’t even begin to include defense, the electric bill at the White House, or anything else.


26 posted on 11/25/2012 8:46:55 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: montag813

” And despite his posturing, one must wonder what he really thinks of Israel given his father’s horrific views”

Sins of the father ?????? You must be kidding.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 9:17:52 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Sola Veritas

“He is a Libertarian and should stop calling himself a Republican.”

I am about to do the same thing. The Republican Party is a sham! Decent Conservatives and Libertarians should abandon the GOP en masse. One of my New Year’s Resolutions is to change my registration to Independent from Republican. Just as has happened with the RAT Party and the Marxists, so too has the GOP become a worthless collection of dickless old White men who haven’t the guts to man up and defend our Constitution. The GOP should re-name itself, the”It’s My Turn Party” for old has been politicians like Dole and McLame, and “moderates” like Romney who don’t stand for the principles for which the GOP used to stand.


28 posted on 11/25/2012 9:19:59 AM PST by vette6387
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To: faucetman
BREAKING NEWS........

RAND Paul is not RON Paul. “The Pauls” What does that mean? Is that a new music group? A new Hair band?

I assume Rand Paul loves his father and shows him respect, as he should. That does not mean he shares all his views.

STOP the connecting of Rand with Ron, they are two distinct individuals. Rand probably has views more in common with Allen West than he does his own father.

Stop jumping to conclusions and start listening to what he actually says. He is much like Newt in this regard. You can't go by sound bites, you have to listen to his explanations of his ideas.

Trying to make him his father is counter productive and frankly, ignorant.

29 posted on 11/25/2012 9:36:25 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Sola Veritas
Rand Paul has issues he is right on occasionally. Just as a broken clock in right twice every day.

However, he is NOT a republican anymore than his father.

You are wrong. He is correct very often. He is much more a Republican than his father.

30 posted on 11/25/2012 10:12:06 AM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Morpheus2009
Hopefully, he doesn’t have all the same answers as his father, but at the same time, he had better have an answer better than Obama’s on Israel, to simply call Hamas the terrorist scum that they are.

You might find the answers to your questions in the list of links the poster included.

31 posted on 11/25/2012 10:13:54 AM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Catsrus

If we get to 2016 before CWII breaks out or a full economic collapse we have got to fight off the GOP establishment who will try to jam Rubio or Jeb Bush down our throats. We need to try to get Rand Paul nominated. He is the best hope at the ballot box.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 10:43:03 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Bet he (like WAY too many here) supported the Patriot Act back in the day. The Patriot Act, more than anything, has turned us into a Totalitarian State. We should have been screaming against that from the beginning. But, no ... too many had to wave the flag.

Utter idiocy. Glad he’s doing it but ... I hold out no hope on this one. if anything will be seen as killing America it will be the Patriot Act.


33 posted on 11/25/2012 11:22:07 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo
Rand Paul's Stand Against the PATRIOT Act
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/rand-pauls-stand-against-the-patriot-act/239553/


Rand Paul doesn't support the PATRIOT Act.
34 posted on 11/25/2012 11:28:58 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: BfloGuy

I agree with you. Even Mark Levin said he holds some Libertarian views, such as smaller government, etc. The purists are out in force already to destroy anyone who might have a chance in 2016. I’m beginning to think some of them would find fault even if Jesus was on the ballot. He hangs out with adulterers, tax collectors, etc. I can hear them now. No wonder we lose elections.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:18 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: GlockThe Vote
Republicans just want "less government", never knowing how to define it or reduce it (with a slight exception for Newt Gingrich and his "Contract with America"). They just want smaller chains on their ankles.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 4:42:10 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: VitacoreVision

And Zero was bitching about GITMO?

TT


37 posted on 11/26/2012 12:40:20 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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