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Judge: Hobby Lobby has no constitutional right to the free exercise of religion
http://www.gopusa.com ^ | November 20, 2012 | Tim Talley

Posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:27 AM PST by NKP_Vet

A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.

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A liberal judge, appointed by RINO George W. Bush, says Hobby Lobby must provide abortion-inducing pills to it's employees as part of their healthcare coverage. Must be John Roberts' cousin. No doubt this Constitution-hating ass will be vetted for Kenyan's supreme court.
1 posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:31 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
The government that begins to force religious people to violate their beliefs rapidly loses respect for its own legitimacy.

Judges, in particular, should be very concerned with that happening ~

2 posted on 11/25/2012 7:24:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, let’s just see if their convictions and commitment to their Faith is strong enough to ...just close up shop...


3 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:21 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: NKP_Vet
Am I hearing this ruling correctly? Hearing 1.3 million dollar fine per week if Hobby Lobby does not comply. Let the job destruction begin with zer0care. Two more liberals on the SC and bye bye to more than simply the Constitution. liberals having wet dreams while their dreams too will burn. Un-freakin-believeable. Insanity does not begin to describe liberals. Oh well, more preparation is the order, of these days, for God's People. Will increase my list, and pray more than ever. Looks to be too late for anything else.
4 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:43 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: NKP_Vet

cancel all medical insurance.

let the govt supply it...which is what the zer0bama dirt bags want anyway...and pay the tax the company has to pay if they don’t supply it.

it is lose, lose but at least the company is not supplying the offending abortion pill.


5 posted on 11/25/2012 7:32:24 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: no-to-illegals

Lock and load. Move to Idaho. Wait out the storm. Might be for the rest of your life, but Idaho is a place where an American can still be an American.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 7:32:44 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
George W. Bush,just another in the long line of Northeast bred or born or educated aristocrats that have taken over the governance of this country.
And just look at what a bang up job they have done over the past 25 years. More if you add in the Congress as “Leaders”.
7 posted on 11/25/2012 7:33:49 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: NKP_Vet

you live in Idaho?


8 posted on 11/25/2012 7:34:46 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I would close up shop. I would take this opportunity to make a stand. If this family was smart enough to start one business, they are smart enough to start another. Perhaps a business that is small enough that he doesn’t have to provide free abortions to people.


9 posted on 11/25/2012 7:34:51 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: NKP_Vet

This is one of the reasons people left France and came to America...FREEDOM OF RELIGION!

Where will we go now?


10 posted on 11/25/2012 7:37:54 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: NKP_Vet

Thanks for the offer. Am sitting in the Hornet’s Nest near the place of the Revolution’s turning of Cornwallis north. May not be the best place to be for what looks to be coming, though would prefer to be on the front-lines. Other family members will take your advice though. Too old here to run.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 7:38:58 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Stop running away from the fight. Take your stand where you are.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 7:39:09 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

They can, and said they will, appeal.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 7:43:59 AM PST by expat1000
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To: NKP_Vet

I may be missing something, but legally these cases aren’t even close.

Freedom of religion is not a defense to violating the law. There have been several cases in the Supreme Court that have held that. Otherwise Rastafarians would be allowed to smoke pot, Scientologists wouldn’t have to pay taxes, and Mormons could practice polygamy.

The only case to hold contrary, that I can recall, was the Amish case, and I think most people agree that basically it was bad facts making bad law.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 7:46:17 AM PST by estopthat
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To: NKP_Vet

Let’s see: The constitution says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. That means, say the judges, that the federal government has the right to say that only churches have the right to practice religion.


15 posted on 11/25/2012 7:46:51 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: NKP_Vet
"Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion," the ruling said.

Hint. It's in the constitution.

16 posted on 11/25/2012 7:49:33 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: NKP_Vet

This decision is consistent with the progressive party line: The Constitution guarantees “freedom of worship.” I.e., you are allowed to go to church. Outside of church, you must obey the State.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 7:52:19 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: NKP_Vet

When campaign finance reform was overturned by the supreme court they essentially gave freedom of speech rights to corporations. Why not free exercise of religion too? Both are in the 1st amendment.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 7:52:19 AM PST by impimp
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I do not think that “closing up shop” shows “their convictions and commitment to their Faith.”

First of all, the commitment is to God and Christ (not to one’s “faith.” That commitment produces godly behavior in the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit—and it’s an individual thing.

Secondly, if an owner (eg. the owner of Hobby Lobby) who is a true believer is following the direction of God, he will remain steadfast in God’s ways, that is, take action according to God’s ways, step by step. That could be hanging in there and standing firmly in whatever way God directs, despite adverse consequences.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 7:54:18 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: oldbrowser

The text of the Constitution is not relevant. What matters is CASES. That approach to “Constitutional” law was introduced during the Progressive Era.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 7:54:21 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: NKP_Vet
The USSC already ruled in Citizens United that corporations are people.

This ain't over by a long shot.

21 posted on 11/25/2012 7:54:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: NKP_Vet
The clean out of communists includes judges like this.
22 posted on 11/25/2012 7:56:47 AM PST by Logical me
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To: NKP_Vet

If a corporation is considered a person for taxes, political contributions an political speach, why not exercise of religion. I think this might be overturned up the line.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 8:10:12 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Arthur McGowan

The Catholic Church should shut down all the Catholic hospitals in the country. Let the Obama freeloaders get their free health care somewhere else.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 8:13:02 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Arthur McGowan

Change the name Hobby Lobby to Holy Lobby. Claim it’s a Church.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 8:15:04 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: NKP_Vet

Easily easily overturned.

It’s already been decided corporations have freedom of speech as per the recent decisions on campaign finance.

This judge is an idiot.


26 posted on 11/25/2012 8:15:08 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: NKP_Vet
The only goal of anything pResident Cloward-Piven does is to overwhelm the system.

If you move to Idaho, you're going to miss out on all the target practice when the riots start after the overwhelming.

27 posted on 11/25/2012 8:18:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

They’re going to appeal this ruling.


28 posted on 11/25/2012 8:25:16 AM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Insurance is a perfect example of things Government should run. Insurance is basicaly corporate socialism. Except instead of taxes, we pay premiums.

The benefits of a well run Government insurance provider would be tremendous. Unfortuneatly something like this only works when setup at the beginning (or very near). Now there is too much constituencies and leverage money to where it can’t be done correctly.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 8:26:23 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; NKP_Vet

Who needs practice? Besides, who wants to have to work dead body detail when you have millions strewn all around you?


30 posted on 11/25/2012 8:27:11 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Truth2012

Closing up shop is not taking a stand. Appealing this ruling is taking the next stand and step. That is exactly what they are doing.


31 posted on 11/25/2012 8:27:11 AM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: Kirkwood

Amen! There is enough fight to go around.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 8:28:30 AM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: NKP_Vet

If there’s no right to the free exercise of religion, islam can be banned.


33 posted on 11/25/2012 8:31:11 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: NKP_Vet

Why dont these girls just buy their own pills out of their check? They want to screw so badly, then take of the stuff yourself!

And to think back in the 90s feminist losers used to lambaste guys for not going out and buying condoms only 20 years later to act the same way.


34 posted on 11/25/2012 8:32:24 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Vaquero

Cancel insurance.

Give employees a 32 hour work week.

Use money from insurance.costs an give employees a pay raise equal to 56 hour work week.

Employees can pay as.they go for general medical needs and buy hospitalization insurance only.

My opinion ...win.win for owners and employees.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 8:37:00 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: impimp
When campaign finance reform was overturned by the supreme court they essentially gave freedom of speech rights to corporations. Why not free exercise of religion too? Both are in the 1st amendment.

Correct! If a corporation is a "person" who can give campaign money as a form of free speech, then a corporation is a "person" who can practice its religion.

36 posted on 11/25/2012 8:37:54 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Beautiful! So Muslims can only practice their faith in the mosque. Sharia stops at the mosque door. Judo, anyone?


37 posted on 11/25/2012 8:48:05 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: impimp
When campaign finance reform was overturned by the supreme court they essentially gave freedom of speech rights to corporations. Why not free exercise of religion too? Both are in the 1st amendment.

That is too consistent. /s

38 posted on 11/25/2012 8:48:21 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Usagi_yo
Insurance is a perfect example of things Government should run. Insurance is basicaly corporate socialism. Except instead of taxes, we pay premiums.

On the contrary, insurance is not socialism, it's more like gambling. Gambling that you're going to get sick/that your house will burn down/that you will be in a car crash. If you're wrong, you lose your ante/premium. But, if you're right, you win!

Having the government in the business means that market forces won't be at work, which means it will become a cash cow that pays out, at the expense of taxpayers, far more than it makes, and therefore milks taxpayers dry. (So what else is new.) The government has a program for flood insurance - of houses along ocean coasts, or which are even below sea level, that are subject to hurricanes, tsunamis, and other such. The government premium is far lower than free-market companies could possibly charge (and still make money), and indeed the program is vastly underwater, financially. The government doesn't give a hoot about profitability, and therefore, isn't a good steward of anything businesslike whatsoever. Why, they can just send armed agents to you and I to collect more money, if they need to. And they do and they will. Suggesting the government can fix a broken market is not to understand the market at all.

39 posted on 11/25/2012 8:52:14 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: All

The CEO of this operation is ripe for a visit from John Galt.


40 posted on 11/25/2012 8:56:28 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

There is another solution - hire no woman under the age of 45.


41 posted on 11/25/2012 9:13:31 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Boxsford

Ooops I got confused, I thought this was the ruling on the appeal.


42 posted on 11/25/2012 9:17:49 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: oldbrowser
a government lawyer said . . . the U.S. has a compelling interest in mandating insurance coverage for them.

In the vernacular of Chris Matthews, "compelling interest" is liberal dog whistle speak which means, "the Constitution be d@mned."

43 posted on 11/25/2012 9:43:51 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: NKP_Vet

I wonder what will be the eventual trigger (no pun intended) for the start of the shooting war as we face the assault and destruction of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th amendments. So far he’s not quartering troops in our homes.


44 posted on 11/25/2012 9:44:13 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

No need to close shop. They just need to drop medical coverage for employees, and pay the $2000/employee penaltax.

The problem with the penaltax is that it is a dead-weight expense whereas medical benefits are a form of compensation enjoyed by employees.

To minimize the total penaltax, of course, HobbyLobby will have to make most of their employees part time.

The real losers at HobbyLobby will be its employees.

This is only fair because they have jobs and other people don’t. Fundamental transformation, baby.


45 posted on 11/25/2012 9:58:08 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Sioux-san

I said don’t hire anyone (male or female) under the age of 50. That eliminates most of the women (wives/daughters) who might seek birth control on the insurance.


46 posted on 11/25/2012 10:05:41 AM PST by WVNan
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To: NKP_Vet

Rut roh...I see a lot of employees having their current schedules being reduced to 29 hours (or less) per week.


47 posted on 11/25/2012 10:18:18 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: NKP_Vet

Simple...go “Papa John” and cut everyone back to less than 30 hours...thus, NO healthcare at all.

If that hits a snag, close the sucker down, or sell it off, and move to Costa Rica


48 posted on 11/25/2012 10:27:50 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Truth2012

No, but this is one to watch. Its going to get interesting.


49 posted on 11/25/2012 10:49:33 AM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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And here I thought that Federal law said that corporations have the same rights as people and must be treated as if they were a person in court. If this stands it could change a whole lot of laws and campaign financing.
50 posted on 11/25/2012 10:58:47 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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