Skip to comments.Judge: Hobby Lobby has no constitutional right to the free exercise of religion
Posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:27 AM PST by NKP_Vet
A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.
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Judges, in particular, should be very concerned with that happening ~
Well, let’s just see if their convictions and commitment to their Faith is strong enough to ...just close up shop...
cancel all medical insurance.
let the govt supply it...which is what the zer0bama dirt bags want anyway...and pay the tax the company has to pay if they don’t supply it.
it is lose, lose but at least the company is not supplying the offending abortion pill.
Lock and load. Move to Idaho. Wait out the storm. Might be for the rest of your life, but Idaho is a place where an American can still be an American.
you live in Idaho?
I would close up shop. I would take this opportunity to make a stand. If this family was smart enough to start one business, they are smart enough to start another. Perhaps a business that is small enough that he doesn’t have to provide free abortions to people.
This is one of the reasons people left France and came to America...FREEDOM OF RELIGION!
Where will we go now?
Thanks for the offer. Am sitting in the Hornet’s Nest near the place of the Revolution’s turning of Cornwallis north. May not be the best place to be for what looks to be coming, though would prefer to be on the front-lines. Other family members will take your advice though. Too old here to run.
Stop running away from the fight. Take your stand where you are.
They can, and said they will, appeal.
I may be missing something, but legally these cases aren’t even close.
Freedom of religion is not a defense to violating the law. There have been several cases in the Supreme Court that have held that. Otherwise Rastafarians would be allowed to smoke pot, Scientologists wouldn’t have to pay taxes, and Mormons could practice polygamy.
The only case to hold contrary, that I can recall, was the Amish case, and I think most people agree that basically it was bad facts making bad law.
Let’s see: The constitution says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. That means, say the judges, that the federal government has the right to say that only churches have the right to practice religion.
Hint. It's in the constitution.
This decision is consistent with the progressive party line: The Constitution guarantees “freedom of worship.” I.e., you are allowed to go to church. Outside of church, you must obey the State.
When campaign finance reform was overturned by the supreme court they essentially gave freedom of speech rights to corporations. Why not free exercise of religion too? Both are in the 1st amendment.
I do not think that “closing up shop” shows “their convictions and commitment to their Faith.”
First of all, the commitment is to God and Christ (not to one’s “faith.” That commitment produces godly behavior in the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit—and it’s an individual thing.
Secondly, if an owner (eg. the owner of Hobby Lobby) who is a true believer is following the direction of God, he will remain steadfast in God’s ways, that is, take action according to God’s ways, step by step. That could be hanging in there and standing firmly in whatever way God directs, despite adverse consequences.
The text of the Constitution is not relevant. What matters is CASES. That approach to “Constitutional” law was introduced during the Progressive Era.
This ain't over by a long shot.
If a corporation is considered a person for taxes, political contributions an political speach, why not exercise of religion. I think this might be overturned up the line.
The Catholic Church should shut down all the Catholic hospitals in the country. Let the Obama freeloaders get their free health care somewhere else.
Change the name Hobby Lobby to Holy Lobby. Claim it’s a Church.
Easily easily overturned.
It’s already been decided corporations have freedom of speech as per the recent decisions on campaign finance.
This judge is an idiot.
If you move to Idaho, you're going to miss out on all the target practice when the riots start after the overwhelming.
They’re going to appeal this ruling.
Insurance is a perfect example of things Government should run. Insurance is basicaly corporate socialism. Except instead of taxes, we pay premiums.
The benefits of a well run Government insurance provider would be tremendous. Unfortuneatly something like this only works when setup at the beginning (or very near). Now there is too much constituencies and leverage money to where it can’t be done correctly.
Who needs practice? Besides, who wants to have to work dead body detail when you have millions strewn all around you?
Closing up shop is not taking a stand. Appealing this ruling is taking the next stand and step. That is exactly what they are doing.
Amen! There is enough fight to go around.
If there’s no right to the free exercise of religion, islam can be banned.
Why dont these girls just buy their own pills out of their check? They want to screw so badly, then take of the stuff yourself!
And to think back in the 90s feminist losers used to lambaste guys for not going out and buying condoms only 20 years later to act the same way.
Give employees a 32 hour work week.
Use money from insurance.costs an give employees a pay raise equal to 56 hour work week.
Employees can pay as.they go for general medical needs and buy hospitalization insurance only.
My opinion ...win.win for owners and employees.
Correct! If a corporation is a "person" who can give campaign money as a form of free speech, then a corporation is a "person" who can practice its religion.
Beautiful! So Muslims can only practice their faith in the mosque. Sharia stops at the mosque door. Judo, anyone?
That is too consistent. /s
On the contrary, insurance is not socialism, it's more like gambling. Gambling that you're going to get sick/that your house will burn down/that you will be in a car crash. If you're wrong, you lose your ante/premium. But, if you're right, you win!
Having the government in the business means that market forces won't be at work, which means it will become a cash cow that pays out, at the expense of taxpayers, far more than it makes, and therefore milks taxpayers dry. (So what else is new.) The government has a program for flood insurance - of houses along ocean coasts, or which are even below sea level, that are subject to hurricanes, tsunamis, and other such. The government premium is far lower than free-market companies could possibly charge (and still make money), and indeed the program is vastly underwater, financially. The government doesn't give a hoot about profitability, and therefore, isn't a good steward of anything businesslike whatsoever. Why, they can just send armed agents to you and I to collect more money, if they need to. And they do and they will. Suggesting the government can fix a broken market is not to understand the market at all.
The CEO of this operation is ripe for a visit from John Galt.
There is another solution - hire no woman under the age of 45.
Ooops I got confused, I thought this was the ruling on the appeal.
In the vernacular of Chris Matthews, "compelling interest" is liberal dog whistle speak which means, "the Constitution be d@mned."
I wonder what will be the eventual trigger (no pun intended) for the start of the shooting war as we face the assault and destruction of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th amendments. So far he’s not quartering troops in our homes.
No need to close shop. They just need to drop medical coverage for employees, and pay the $2000/employee penaltax.
The problem with the penaltax is that it is a dead-weight expense whereas medical benefits are a form of compensation enjoyed by employees.
To minimize the total penaltax, of course, HobbyLobby will have to make most of their employees part time.
The real losers at HobbyLobby will be its employees.
This is only fair because they have jobs and other people don’t. Fundamental transformation, baby.
I said don’t hire anyone (male or female) under the age of 50. That eliminates most of the women (wives/daughters) who might seek birth control on the insurance.
Rut roh...I see a lot of employees having their current schedules being reduced to 29 hours (or less) per week.
Simple...go “Papa John” and cut everyone back to less than 30 hours...thus, NO healthcare at all.
If that hits a snag, close the sucker down, or sell it off, and move to Costa Rica
No, but this is one to watch. Its going to get interesting.
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