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GOP Doomed if Establishment Prevails
American Thinker Magazine ^ | November 25, 2012 | By J. Robert Smith

Posted on 11/25/2012 8:54:02 AM PST by drewh

The battle lines are being drawn. The fight for the GOP is on. The seemingly eternal struggle between the right and the Republican establishment has entered its newest phase. In the wake of Mitt Romney being end-run by Barack Obama, GOP get-alongs want to double-down on failure. Moderation -- the odor of it -- is in DC's air like cheap, fetid perfume.

The point being: why would establishment Republicans want to move left (to the center, in their vernacular) precisely at the time when the America created by Woodrow Wilson and FDR is faltering -- groaning under its own enormous weight and falsity? Because polling and focus groups tell the GOP to do so? Because a bare majority of voters are able to be bought off by a political party that never outgrew Tammany Hall or the Pendergast Machine? Or because portions of President Obama's majority coalition persists in the delusion that the nation's troubles are exaggerated? We've seen the woeful result of willful denial throughout human history.

Conservatives can't count on the Republican establishment to have the boldness to push for an American renaissance. Establishment Republicans have too much invested in the "game," and that includes livelihoods, careers, and stature. The push for conservatives is to assume full control of the GOP.

Like Martin Luther, conservatives' first step is to nail their equivalent of the 95 Theses to the door of the Republican National Committee -- and then to the door of the White House... and then to the doors of colleges and universities and to every mainstream media outlet around.

The time has come for conservatives to proclaim, confidently, truthfully, and fearlessly. Dire times call to conservatives to do so; it falls to conservatives to be the instigators of a great American renaissance.

If not conservatives, then who

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 11/25/2012 8:54:08 AM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

Romney lost because he was soooooooo conservative. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.


2 posted on 11/25/2012 8:59:10 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: drewh
Not so sure of that. We keep repeating this bromide, but where is the evidence that the establishment was calling the shots? If anything, I would say that in the last couple of years, the establishment has taken a back seat to the tea party, and the candidates have all taken positions favorable to the tea party.

In fact, Romney's position on immigration was the closest to the tea party position, and farthest away from the establishment RINO position.

3 posted on 11/25/2012 9:00:02 AM PST by nwrep
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To: drewh

It is possible to be moderate while retaining conservative values.
Reagan did it.
He would have been shunned if he ran in the past election, just as JFK would be seen as a radical right leaning fellow had he ran in Obamas place.

The country has become to polarized.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 9:01:04 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: drewh

The GOP shares a lot of unfortunate traits with the demonRAT party. Establishment republicans want nothing so much as to maintain power and will flop around however they must to maintain it. They have as much respect for First Principles as the ‘RATs do.

I have every intention of changing my registration this year, and will do my utmost to see our two incumbent, establishment, republicans kicked out of office. But no one should make the mistake of imagining that I would EVER vote demonRAT, even with a loaded gun to my head.

I am a proud supporter of Tea Party principles and if the “main stream” GOP doesn’t like that, I invite them to go pound sand.


5 posted on 11/25/2012 9:07:09 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: drewh

This premise is exactly correct. Rush isn’t the leader of the RNC, but instead, articulates our beliefs to a large audience which the RNC, does not believe for their insulated, limited by the Beltway, arrogance.

We will win when we have consultants who are willing to stealthily re-educate the electorate in what it means to be American, that is, Hispanics and Blacks as well. This means do it with boldness, not avoiding dictators like 0bama in the national election...Mitt, with all his faults and past liberal Rebuplican tendencies would have won had he had a staff who would have “gone with boldness” as Rush mentions almost daily.

How do we get a candidate who will be bold? Who acatually runs the RNC? Who “elects” Reince Preibus? While what I am saying sounds like we need a Third Party, I am in no way saying this...that is Perot all over again. Convincing those in charge to do the bold, re-education route and have Palin& West as your ticket is the way to go.

It’s kinda like sending a letter to the RNC that says, I will promise to send X$ to you if Palin&West are the ticket, but will boycott otherwise...

Here’s an example of my frustration. I have been married 17 yrs interracially. My wife’s family upper scale black with 100% voting record D. 0bamma would have had to kill someone personally - and even then - they’d still vote for him.

I called the Columbus RNC and volunteered as well as the Cincinnati/Hamilton County RNC to volunteer...that is, as a consultant to help understand what it would take to convince blacks...what language, what triggers, etc....

I have a huge plethora or cornucopia of what would and would not work...inside info if you will...did they listen to me? Nope. Were they interested? They didn’t know where to file it. I won’t give up, however. I’ll approach them again in a different way and talk to the right people.

You see, we are dealing with old school RNC; we have to be smarter...the DNC wants us to start a 3rd party; they know that is a civil war amongst ourselves...we need to takeover the RNC...that is the way.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 9:10:45 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: mylife
"The country has become to polarized.

That is correct. Too polarized. Translation: Left wing Marxists and so called Right Wing Conservatives. I don't read anything about moderation. Moderates will lose every time. They stand for nothing.

7 posted on 11/25/2012 9:13:02 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: drewh

“Like Martin Luther, conservatives’ first step is to nail their equivalent of the 95 Theses to the door of the Republican National Committee”

Let’s hope whatever conservative takes on the challenge will have more knowledge and integrity than a drunkard German monk who for some reason thought he had the right to call into question the scriptures and indeed change the Holy Bible into what he thought it should say.


8 posted on 11/25/2012 9:14:38 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: nwrep
Romney's position on immigration was the closest to the tea party position, and farthest away from the establishment RINO position.

Not good enough! His daddy was a beaner! /s I heard that he ate a taco once! And that damn Rick Perry just loves illegals /s

Romney was right. We have to end the entitlement gravy train. That would work better than a fence. For all the talk that Mitt was squishy, he took it to Obama and juxtaposed himself well, but the people just would not hear what he was saying. They were dazzled by the sparkly things Obama offered. Rush is right, "it's hard to beat Santa Claus"

9 posted on 11/25/2012 9:16:10 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

with a bad, and worsening, economy, won’t many hispanics be heading to their native lands? what they receive from our gravy train is still better then what they have @ home?


10 posted on 11/25/2012 9:26:20 AM PST by stickywillie
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To: mylife

The Tea Party and most other conservatives grudgingly accepted Romney as nominee and actively supported him in the Presidential election, even though Romney was lukewarm in his opposition to Obamacare and completely distanced himself from conservative social positions. They were good little soldiers and now they’re getting the blame from the Rats in the GOP-e. Does anyone believe that if a conservative had won the nomination that the Karl Roves of the GOP would have been so supportive? He’d have spent the entire election campaign deriding the choice and telling everyone the GOP was doomed.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 9:27:20 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: drewh

Jim robinson was RIGHT about Romney.

Just say NO to bland Republicans who steer completely clear of cultural matters and fail to speak out against high spending.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 9:33:14 AM PST by gaijin
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To: drewh

Jim robinson was RIGHT about Romney.

Just say NO to bland Republicans who steer completely clear of cultural matters and fail to speak out against high spending.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 9:33:56 AM PST by gaijin
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To: 13Sisters76
I have every intention of changing my registration this year, and will do my utmost to see our two incumbent, establishment, republicans kicked out of office.

That's a bit of a wasted gesture, if your state has closed Primaries. How do you get rid of the RINOs if you lock yourself out of the party? If you have open Primaries, never mind.

14 posted on 11/25/2012 9:36:42 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: drewh

Amen!!!!

And who are they gonna shove down our throats in 2016? J. Bush. Count on it.

The GOP Establishment track record is horrid. They got lucky in 2010 when so many OIdiot voters sat home. (29 million actually). If they pick our 2016 nominee, well . . .we are truly done.


15 posted on 11/25/2012 9:48:07 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: drewh

The Republican Party spends most of its effort promoting the Democrats and their agenda. That’s crazy! Crazy but true. Republicans effectively, if unwittingly, advance the Democrat’s leftist agenda. No matter who is in power, the federal government, its power and expenditures, continue to grow with little chance of reversal.

The Democrats propose a “generous” increase in the minimum wage. The Republicans either oppose an increase and opt for staying at the current level or counter with a more modest increase. The Democrats say that we need to increase the school lunch program by x million dollars. The Republicans answer by offering an increase of one third x. Democrats say that the government needs to spend a lot more subsidizing housing and Republicans say that the current level is adequate. Democrats say that more people should be made eligible and Republicans defend the status quo.

So the predictable dynamic is that the Democrats fight for an increase in spending for some government program and the Republicans either oppose any increase or counter with a proposal for more modest growth. What impression of the Republican Party does this give? What is the one principle that people are able to discern from Republicans’ policies as stated above? That the Republicans are cheap and uncaring. Some may manage to construe it as fiscal responsibility but what it comes down to is withholding funds from “worthwhile” programs. Thus ultimately withholding help from those who are “entitled” to it

If the Republicans agree to spend two billion dollars on a program they are inherently saying that it is good and just and worthwhile. Why else would they agree to spend such a massive amount of money on it? If people who position themselves as fiscally responsible spend that kind of money, it has to be for something good. Something right. Something necessary. And here they cede the moral high ground to Democrats, liberals, leftists by validating their policies, programs and agenda. It’s Democrats who are fighting for all of these good and righteous schemes and the Republicans who are dragging their feet.

Every time Republicans say yes, but not so much. They are saying that the Democrats are right and they, the Republicans, are cheap. The Democrats are looking out for the needy and the Republicans are looking out for the cheap and stingy. We are cheap! Hardly an inspiring philosophy. Hardly a winning strategy.

We all know that the best defense is a good offense. The GOP has turned that truism on its head. Their only offense is a pathetic defense. And no matter how good your defense if you have no offense you will eventually lose. It’s inevitable. After the 1994 elections swept the Republicans t control of Congress, many anticipated the extinction of a few federal agencies. Many even a department or two. Dare to dream. Then we were told that Rome was not built in a day so don’t expect it to be dismantled in a day. Well we are still waiting for those first few bricks to be knocked loose.

Sure the left has moved us to a gargantuan and ever-growing welfare state on step at a time, or make that one billion a time. That is the only way it could have happened. Anyone who one hundred years ago tried to propose what we have now would have been run out of town. Any American town. As per the above it may be impossible to move in the opposite direction by increments. When you propose to spend less than the left wants the only principle that you are standing on and promoting is cheapness. Not a very compelling platform. Rather a recipe for long term defeat.

Being second-rate Democrats has been a disaster. Even when Republicans win elections. Agreeing to spend a fortune on Democrat social programs and wealth transfer schemes only validates those schemes. And makes conservatives-or what passes for conservatives these days-look bad. So virtually everything the Republicans do validates Democrats and make themselves look bad. A guaranteed formula for disaster.

So what’s the alternative? How about taking a stand. How about acting on principle? A principle other than cheapness. Will it be easy? The question is what are your principles and what do you want to achieve. If you want to be liked by the establishment intelligentsia then you definitely need to keep up with leftists. Just keep in mind that you will have to go further and further year after year. They keep raising the bar, moving the goal line. What “moderates’ are advocating and supporting now would have been radical a few decades ago. Trying to keep up will always mean that you will always be second-rate and always fall short.

The only was to go, which makes it the easy way, is to stand on principle. Without compromise. Truly become the party of NO. Rather than the party of not quite so much.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 9:48:52 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: stickywillie

They were heading home till Obama told them he has goodies for them.
If I were president,I would lean so hard on Mexico for reform it would hurt.
And I would knock off incentives to come here.

There is no reason for Mexico to be so poor and there is no reason for us to absorb their poverty.

I think most of SA loves Marxism because they have never known freedom.

Rather than import Marxism, we should export freedom.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 9:49:41 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: gaijin

Romney failed to address fiscal matters?


18 posted on 11/25/2012 9:51:33 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: drewh

The Establishment will win...they have the money and the backing...Romney spent millions using the Karl Roves and all he got was his butt handed to him on a sling.
I think its high time to not nail our theses to the wall but take our thesis out and start a third conservative party...
Freegards
LEX


19 posted on 11/25/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: drewh

The Republicans loved the two-party system. Voters consist of only two factions: Liberals and Conservatives and they know that.

As a conservative the Republicans don’t believe they have to “earn” your vote.....they expect it. For as long as there are only two parties that matter, they don’t have to do anything to earn it. The result...nothing changes and the same old tired Republicans (or whoever they groom for the positions elected) goes on year after year after year with no fear that conservatives will vote for any other party.

However, something has started to happen. Conservatives faced with no choice of a Republican candidate simply did not lower their standards and vote Republican...they didn’t vote for all. Many Democrats did the same.

Our national leadership has become “a right of passage” for those of wealth, power and money on both sides and it will only get worse with time.

Not true? Well explain how the Republican party is considering grooming Jeb Bush to continue the Bush dynasty just like the Democrats supported the Kennedy dynasty.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 9:52:26 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: drewh

Ah, yes - “moderation.”

The only things you find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and roadkill.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 10:19:19 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: drewh

“Fetid”... that’s an appropriate word for the current state of the GOP, as run by the scumbag GOP-E elites, consultants and professional political class.

I used to think the Party could be reformed from the inside, like Palin and much of the grassroots tea party folks had proposed. But the rot and corruption is apparently too deep. Way too deep. I have zero faith and zero confidence in the GOP to ever truly combat the statist/socialist wave that is fully engaged and poised to destroy America.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 10:22:47 AM PST by greene66
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To: mosaicwolf

“The country has become to polarized”

Yes and the Congress has become too corrupt. So corrupt that both parties now function to keep their collective boat afloat.

The GOP 3 weeks on from the election is now giving the finger to some 53 million or however many voters voted for Romney and are basically on their knees to the Democrats. They should be fighting mad and and trying do everything in their power to stop Obama and his policies. They care only for their own cushy jobs and trying to cling to some power.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 10:23:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: drewh

For those who live in Rio Linda, this is an analogy.

I liken the GOP establishment to Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys. The GOPe is not interested in anything but themselves and their power, so they hedge their bets. As long as they have their kingdom in tact, all is fine. I am sure Jones would love to have a super bowl win, but this man still rakes in loads of dough with a mediocre team, it’s win win for Jones. The GOPe is the same, It’s a win win for them. They will use all of their power to keep the Tea Party out. The Tea party reps need to consult with Hillsdale and the Mark Levin types to find ways to defeat this thing and kill it forever. As long as this GOPe breathes, there will be no true Republican POTUS. IMHO.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 10:35:40 AM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: mylife

You’re right. A big part of it, too, is the fact that the MSM always keeps up a steady and ever increasing drumbeat aimed at destroying any Republican candidate or President. - Rush used to say that the media is be darned if ANY Republican is ever going to be elected to any office anytime if they have their way about it. Their relentless war against “Bush” insured Obama a “place in history”, quite possibly a not too stellar place when all is said and done.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 10:49:19 AM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE of Blacks & Hispanics!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Reagan talked about a new Republican Party of bright bold colors and no pale pastels. Looks like the GOP wants to remain the party of pale pastels.


26 posted on 11/25/2012 10:52:13 AM PST by princeofdarkness ( Nobama. No more. No way. November 2012.)
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To: drewh

The Romans blamed the Christians when Rome burned. So why wouldn’t the Republicans blame the Christians too when Romney failed? Their solution — Jebbie for President and George P. for land commissioner is more than a mouthful.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 10:57:20 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: princeofdarkness

Reagan too was self-contradictory — GHWB, Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy, Howard Baker, the start of Colin Powell, endorsing Edward Brooke.


28 posted on 11/25/2012 11:01:45 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: klimeckg

It’s past time for a grass roots GOP candidate to arise. The 2016 version is not yet on the horizon. Any known quantity (Rubio, Palin, Jindal) can be defined and marginalized. The GOP needs a wildcard in 2016. Clint Eastwood please pick up the red courtesy phone...


29 posted on 11/25/2012 11:34:41 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: drewh
(Art.) The point being: why would establishment Republicans want to move left (to the center, in their vernacular) precisely at the time when the America created by Woodrow Wilson and FDR is faltering -- groaning under its own enormous weight and falsity?

Way to go! Ain't much "give-up" in this conservative! I like this guy.

But why'd he leave out LBJ and Slick Willie and Barky Boy? Talk about champions of monster government ...

30 posted on 11/25/2012 11:39:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: princeofdarkness
Looks like the GOP wants to remain the party of pale pastels.

Beige. Light beige. Pale beige pastel cloudmist.

Please excuse us for existing.

31 posted on 11/25/2012 11:42:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: nwrep
We keep repeating this bromide, but where is the evidence that the establishment was calling the shots? If anything, I would say that in the last couple of years, the establishment has taken a back seat to the tea party, and the candidates have all taken positions favorable to the tea party. In fact, Romney's position on immigration was the closest to the tea party position, and farthest away from the establishment RINO position.

I think they're focusing on Romney's background, his style and strategy, and the positions he took earlier in his career.

The problem with the argument is that it wasn't moderates or the Establishment that cost Republicans Senate seats in Missouri or Indiana.

32 posted on 11/25/2012 11:45:20 AM PST by x
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To: nwrep
If anything, I would say that in the last couple of years, the establishment has taken a back seat to the tea party, and the candidates have all taken positions favorable to the tea party.

What are you talking about? Last year, the GOP-e's definitively defeated the Tea Party in detail when they mopped the floor with every single conservative candidate (with a little help from media orcs and David Axelgrease and his Bimbo Directory of Chicago).

They ran the table on us, there's no other way to say it. Money won.

And now Marco Rubio is already walking away from the Tea Partiers who elected him.

33 posted on 11/25/2012 11:46:05 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: x
The problem with the argument is that it wasn't moderates or the Establishment that cost Republicans Senate seats in Missouri or Indiana.

Hello again, FRiend. Can it be established that the RNC offered anything like substantial financial support to Mourdock in Indiana? And Akins in Missouri was excoriated and abandoned for his mistake -- it was the voters, not the Party, who rallied around him.

I realize there was a problem with 'Rat crossovers and secret Trojan support from Claire McCaskill during the Missouri nomination contest (someone explained that McCaskill is basically Satan), but once nominated, he certainly didn't attract support from the Party, especially after he misspoke.

34 posted on 11/25/2012 11:53:19 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

I don’t know how much support the RNC gave. But if you want to throw out the guy who’s held the seat for us for forty years you’ve got to make sure you don’t blow it. I don’t have much patience with people who make a big deal about throwing out the RINOs or Establishment only to lose a safe seat through ineptitude. The trick is not get caught up in one’s own “opinions” about things but to discuss things you can actually do in office.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 12:22:52 PM PST by x
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36 posted on 11/25/2012 1:26:31 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: x; lentulusgracchus

Mourdock was the only Senate candidate that Romney endorsed.

Akin was not the choice of the tea party and Palin, Sarah Steelman was, and the right, (Palin) gave us the senate victories of Ted Cruz and Deb Fischer.

Moving the party right means risk and we lost the gamble with Mourdock, of course the rinos lost the entire presidency with Mitt.

The establishment, for instance Rove’s PAC has a terrible record.

Don’t listen to these constant efforts to keep conservatism out of the GOP.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 1:30:34 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Convincing those in charge to do the bold, re-education route and have Palin& West as your ticket is the way to go.

We said that in the 2012 primaries. We said something similar in 2008. We couldn't say it in 2004 because it's not cricket to primary an incumbent President.

We tried it your way twice and there are already those who want to try it your way again in 2016. Those people are GOP-E.

At what point do we realize that a national party incapable of winning national elections due to its selection of centrist and center-left candidates deserves the fate that's coming to it?

38 posted on 11/25/2012 1:35:18 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

We said that in the 2012 primaries. We said something similar in 2008. We couldn’t say it in 2004 because it’s not cricket to primary an incumbent President.

We tried it your way twice and there are already those who want to try it your way again in 2016. Those people are GOP-E.

At what point do we realize that a national party incapable of winning national elections due to its selection of centrist and center-left candidates deserves the fate that’s coming to it?


You’re right. Let’s do the third party. Let’s give 25% to that party, 25% to the RNC and hope the computers counting the votes malfunction and the DNC candidate loses.


39 posted on 11/25/2012 1:42:37 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: ez

The problem with the GOP is that they’re letting the democrats pick their candidates via the lame stream media.


40 posted on 11/25/2012 4:01:11 PM PST by virgil
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To: CincyRichieRich
You’re right. Let’s do the third party. Let’s give 25% to that party, 25% to the RNC and hope the computers counting the votes malfunction and the DNC candidate loses.
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You're right. Let's instead keep supporting a Republican National Committee that opposes conservatism and cannot win a national election.

There are two reasons to start a third party:

1) To bring the Republican Party to the realization that it will lose its power and its influence, which are the real reasons it exists, if it continues to ignore its base. If that leads to discussions about how to genuinely improve the Republican Party, great.

2) To supplant the Republican Party as the home of conservatives and conservative Democrats (i.e., the Reagan Coalition). If goal one is not reached, the Republican Party deserves to go the way of the Whigs.

Or, we could do it your way, keep nominating losers like John McCain and Mitt Romney, and keep losing national elections. Up to you.

41 posted on 11/25/2012 5:11:41 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You’re right. Let’s do the third party. Let’s give 25% to that party, 25% to the RNC and hope the computers counting the votes malfunction and the DNC candidate loses.
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You’re right. Let’s instead keep supporting a Republican National Committee that opposes conservatism and cannot win a national election.

There are two reasons to start a third party:

1) To bring the Republican Party to the realization that it will lose its power and its influence, which are the real reasons it exists, if it continues to ignore its base. If that leads to discussions about how to genuinely improve the Republican Party, great.

2) To supplant the Republican Party as the home of conservatives and conservative Democrats (i.e., the Reagan Coalition). If goal one is not reached, the Republican Party deserves to go the way of the Whigs.

Or, we could do it your way, keep nominating losers like John McCain and Mitt Romney, and keep losing national elections. Up to you.


I don’t think being insulting is the way to go. You know with certainty by my previous post nominating folks like McCain and Romney is not what I want; instead, there has to be a way to MAKE the RNC nominate Palin/West types...if you think they are like McCain or Romney then our conversation is done.


42 posted on 11/25/2012 5:50:41 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: mylife

Maybe people just dd not believe Romney as he has been on both sides of pretty much every issue at some point in his political career. Romney also could not talk much about Obamacare as he is the founder of the blueprint for it. I voted for Romney only becuase he is not Obama. I did not vote for hm because I believed he had really changed from being the liberal north eastern politician he is.


43 posted on 11/25/2012 6:20:35 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: drewh

I don’t live in that environment on the hill, nor lived during the time England established their House of Commons and House of Lords and whatever else the lawyers established to rule England (besides Monarchy), but I do know that history shows the “bargining” we see between our Repubs and DemocRats is a holdover from when our ancestors left. Why else would lawyers give so much power to Congress (who happen to be lawyers) in the beginning?

And today I’m seeing the persona of “monarchy” in the attitude of our elected officials.

I think the bottom line is that GOP has abandoned American citizens in favor of compromise so that their feelings won’t get hurt when liberals call them names.

Or maybe liberalism has infiltrated the GOP?

Here’s what scares me more...both Repubs and DemocRats seem to care more for foreign entities and illegal immigrants than they do for the legal American citizen that I’m afraid the conservative voice will be silenced forever.

Don’t forget, there are those here to take over the country...communist? Progressives? Mexico? Muslims? We have to be more aware of those we elect.


44 posted on 11/26/2012 5:29:51 AM PST by beachn4fun (Being Thankful that the forgiven have the ear of God.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
The way to defeat the RNC is to simply attract several state Republican parties dominated by Conservatives to sign on to a New national committee.

That's literally how the Republican party was founded out of an amalgam of remaining Whig parties at the state level and Abolitionist groups who never quite became political parties on their own.

Make war on the RNC by taking away their state supporters.

45 posted on 11/26/2012 6:51:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: DH
Since we vote for representatives from single member districts, senators from states, and a president from a nation, the deal is the first party to get organized won with 50% +1 vote. The next party up had to also organize so it had a shot at 50% + 1 vote.

That leaves a third party with 0% and no votes at all!

If the third party looks to be successful, it will simply attract enough factions from the other two parties that it becomes the big player with 50% + 1 vote. The remaining parties will then coalesce to beat this new upstart.

The very design of our federal system, combined with our ancient traditions, allows only 2 parties ~

It's the math, not the law!

46 posted on 11/26/2012 6:57:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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