Posted on 11/25/2012 10:05:10 AM PST by Errant
BEIJING (TheBlaze/AP) — Just as it has had many firsts recently with its space program efforts, China has successfully completed another first for its naval aspirations. The country landed its first fighter jet on its first aircraft carrier, which entered service two months ago, the country’s official news agency confirmed Sunday
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Meanwhile people eat aborted-human-fetus burgers in restaurants in China.
Looking at some of the comments, it seems there are a lot of people in this country that still think of the Chinese Military as a backward and behind-the-times entity.
They couldn’t be farther from the truth. While they survived for years taking delivery of Russian systems, they have been steadily working out how to copy, produce and improve them. Their incursions into our universities, our government and other commercially oriented technology in compters and solid state electronic devices haven’t been wasted.
They have very capable fighters that will outnumber ours significantly, they have Carrier Killer Ballistic Missile Systems (google it) that can make that multi-billion dollar US carrier group impotent.
Add this to a conventional military force that vastly outnumbers ours in soldiers and equipment and you have a real potential for getting our ass kicked, Obama’s probably surrender notwithstanding.
Do any of these bravado hawks out there oblivious to the facts think that Shengzen has ONLY been cranking out iPods, iPads, and iPhones?
Odd how that plane looks almost identical to an F-14 Tomcat. Did they buy one used from one of our so-called allies, steal the blueprints via their usual, daily technology theft or did obamao just given them one because he likes them and he wants them to continue to buy our debt?
If they kill us, who’s going to buy all their junk?
Theft, I’d bet. Look at their new predator, their newest fighter, everything else. Looks just like ours!
F14s date to the 1970s. US Navy replaced them 5-6 years ago.
Iran had them before the Islamic Revolution. Still uses them, AFAIK!
Don’t forget India as a counterweight to China. We may be somewhat oblivious to China. India isn’t.
Yuk!
That’s a copy of a Russian bird, IMO.
Actually, it is a direct copy of the Russian Su-33, and the Russkis are none too happy about it...
They are a VERY hard working and dedicated people and they have more gifted students than we have students.
We lost our last advantage (self government) in the last election.
Our only hope is that our machines are better than their machines...
Maybe we ca submit a request to the Chinese to liberate us from our current more coommunist than them oppressors? We can give them Kalifornia as payment!
You’ve been watching too much chinese propaganda.
...and on six-inch seas, too, and not even at high noon. Now, I’m really worried.
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I might as well. The next one I see will probably be flying over my house.
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Remember all those “missing” laptops during the Clinton administration? Those years were an orgy of US largesse to China, all in return for money and reelection.
It actually looks nothing like the F-14. The Tomcat was a swing-wing plane, which the J-15 isn’t. What the J-15 looks like (as in, 100% identical) is the Russian SU-33 naval fighter. Which is not surprising since the J-15 is a copy of that fighter.
Did you hear in recent news of China's plans to build the tallest skyscraper in the world in just 90 days or less? We couldn't hire the number of lawyers such a project would require, in that length of time.
Nothing like? I know I’m no aviator and I built my son the model of the F-14 twenty years ago, so I’ll take your word for it but in general it has twin tails, twin engines, a similar wing design (doesn’t appear to have the swing-wing capability as you stated), is a two-seater I suppose and overall length looks comparable. In reading the other comments it appears that the Russians borrowed our design (as you mentioned the Russian aircraft) and now the Chinese stole theirs. Nice to know the Chinese are equal opportunity thieves, but then, what’s a little stealing between Marxists anyway?
had the same thoughts.
had the same thoughts.
Jeez, amazing it stayed together!
IMHO your assessment is the opposite end of the ones who think the PLA is backward because it puts too much credit in Chinese military might. Forty percent of the PLAAF is modern out of the 2000 combat aircraft. The remaining are MiG21 and F-8 (equal to an upgraded F-4 Phamtom) and older. Her front line aircraft are J-11/Su-27’s (about 200) and J-10A (about 300) plus 300 H-6 bombers and JH-7 fighterbombers. US has about 2000 combat aircrafts (AF, Navy, USMC) and the oldest is the F-16 and F/A-18 which are about equal to the J-10. We have stealth and the PLAAF is just starting to fly prototypes with conventional nozzle engines (US stealth has vector thrust engines). China still relies on Russia for fighter and jet transport engines. China has master avionics, fly by wire, airframe but she has not been successful in building a domestic state of the art jet engine with good thrust (affects bomb load per sortie), fuel consumption (range) and durability (how many hours of use before engine must be replaced - logistics and life cycle cost). China’s navy has the same problem. Her largest ships are destroyers of whom one third are 1960’s copy of Soviet ships plus four 1980’s Soviet destroyers . The rest are technology iterations of 2 ships starting with 1980’s technologies (British Type 42 Sheffield) to now. Of the 30 or so destroyers, only four Type 52C and two Type 51C have true AA missile, but the Type 52C is network capable (can link radar/sensor data to and from aircraft and ground forces). All US warships and noncombat ships can do this, Chinese ships cannot. China is just starting to build the Type 52D destroyers that are equal to the US Arleigh Burke Agesis destroyers. Experts project 12 will be built. China has mastered hull, propulsion, shipboard radar and sensor, and shipyard capacity to build the numbers needed, but are just starting to develop network capable ships. Next decade China will be rapidly producing ships as capable as US ships, but her problem is getting her crews trained and what to do with the relatively new ships that are already obsolete along with the Cold War destroyers still in her fleet. The older ships will be replaced, the outdated newer ships cannot just be thrown away. In other words the PLAN has transition and cost issues to wrestle with.
The biggest weakness to the PLA, PLAAF, and PLAN is lack of combat experience. The other hidden unknown is Chinese industry is know for their corner cutting practices. Chinese military hardware were never put to the test under wartime conditions. How many missiles will work and not work during combat? Despite the costly wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, US forces are one of the most combat experience force. Our equipment have been tested and improved. This is something that Chinese military must factor in any military move. Unlike the Japanese in WW2 who see Americans as lazy and weak people who would fold in a war of attrition, the PLA and government leaders know that the US will be the most powerful nation China ever fought with.
China main weapon as an emerging power is financial. China has $ 2600 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, while the US has only $ 150 trillion. China arrives in nations to trade, the US arrives and lectures nations on how they behave internally. That is why many emerging nations like to deal with China then US. Example of Chinese use of financial power. Pro Tibet movement operates in India. They had made public protest at the Indian Chines border. Lately China had made trade agreements with India on pharma production. The contracts were substantial and lucrative for India. Today the Pro Tibet movement is kept from the Tibet border in India. What happen? Money talks and BS walks. China understands this and will use it.
IMHO China does not need to attack US like Japan did in Pearl Harbor. She will take her time to modernize and expand her military and space program. She has no overseas entanglements and pressing military needs to meet like the US does. With the US being reckless on spending, our military must make cutbacks. US financial stupidity will sink our fleet without China firing a shot. I think on youtube there is a video of a Chinese professor teaching a class in the future. He tells his students that Americans work for China and proceeds to tell how the US screwed up with debt. I think that is how China will challenge the US in the 21st Century.
I guess their foundations are like their government.
On the plus side they’ve agreed to keep selling us high tech parts for our military equipment. Full of wonderful little microcontrollers and lots of flash memory. And if one breaks you can send it back to them and they’ll send a new one. And keep the old one. The one chock full of flash memory.
I think the video is very interesting for several reasons. The first is the deck crew. They look like they went shopping at U.S. Navy Carrier Incorporated. Float coats and cranials, A couple of weird colors in there, but a lot of the colors are exactly the same including jobs. I noticed they were using yellow for flight directors and launch directors, safety in white, arresting and launch gear in green.
It wasn't in this video, but in a Chinese media release they showed the use of deck mounted "chock plates" that rotate up in front of the tires allowing the plane to throttle up without using the brakes. This is really interest compared to other "deck run" type carriers. One thing that is apparent from this video is that those plates are built for the SU-27 variant aircraft only. There doesn't appear to be any other sets of chock plates in the deck.
For the super nerds here is a link to the Chinese (propaganda) news piece. It shows some more footage of a FOD walk, some deck ops and setting up for the launch.
http://youtu.be/q2LSmpqAZ74
The machines built with Chinese made components or the ones that work?
It was Bush 41 who nominated China for membership in the world trade organization. Once accepted into the WTO, China’s fortunes began to skyrocket!!
Buy!?? BUY!!??? Have you forgotten how much intelligence material Clinton gave China or allowed the, to steal!??
Wow. I am truly impressed. They managed to do it only 67 years after the British landed the first jet on a carrier, and almost 101 years after Eugene Ely landed the first aircraft on a ship.
Next, they’ll fly solo across the Atlantic and invent the Pop-Tart.
Only to a neophyte.
Did they buy one used from one of our so-called allies, steal the blueprints via their usual, daily technology theft or did obamao just given them one because he likes them and he wants them to continue to buy our debt?
It's well known that the Soviets were all over the Iranian F-14s after the Shah was deposed so the Sukhoi and MiG designers had unfettered access to go over them with a fine toothed comb. However, the Chicomms had no need to obtain a Tomcat from Iran. They just copied the Su-33 and Su-27 they acquired from the Soviets.
Amazing short amount of time, IMO.
Where are the computer's parts you're using now made? I don't like it either, just being realistic. The best way to solve a problem is to recognize it and take steps to correct it. Don't you agree?
Technically, that distinction belongs to Ensign Jake C. West, VF-41, who trapped a Ryan FR-1 aboard USS Wake Island, CVE-65, on 6 November 1945. The events that day were unplanned. That took place about a month prior to Brown landing the Sea Vampire on HMS Ocean.
Wake the heck up people.
China has the advantage now.
China sells us billions, no strike that, hundreds of billions of dollars more of products - in every single market segment each year, while we de-industrialize and send ever more of our factories there.
China now manufactures more than America. China makes iPads, computers stereos, hardware, just about everything.
We much change the way we deal with China (and soon), or we are history.
Just imo.
Neophyte...beats ignoramus. Ok, as you pointed out, the Russians were all over the F-14’s after the Shah was betrayed by Carter (er, deposed), and appeared to have copied it. Then the Chicoms (there’s a term I haven’t heard lately but remains totally accurate)copied it from the Russians. So, a copy of a copy; true they do lose their exactness after several parties copy them, don’t they?
“We much change the way we deal with China (and soon), or we are history.,”
Hmm. IMHO....until We the People in Flyover Country change the way we deal with DC....how we deal with the rest of the world is getting pretty irrelevant.
I wanted Sarah Palin, I still want Sarah Palin.
She put her family before America.
While I understand her reasoning, I strongly take issue with her decision.
That does not change the fact we have been complicit in this. That must stop.
Now.
Surprised no one else has noticed that the takeoff was amazing considering it would have been the first ever conventional jet takeoff from a carrier without a catapult assist.
That was faked as hell.
From that, I conclude their naval aviators are dumber than naval aviators, as we only require one deckhand to point out the direction! ;)
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