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To: Errant

Surprised no one else has noticed that the takeoff was amazing considering it would have been the first ever conventional jet takeoff from a carrier without a catapult assist.

That was faked as hell.


49 posted on 11/25/2012 3:32:03 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
The only thing I noticed different was that it took two of them to point in which direction the pilot should take off!

From that, I conclude their naval aviators are dumber than naval aviators, as we only require one deckhand to point out the direction! ;)

50 posted on 11/25/2012 3:43:35 PM PST by Errant
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To: SeaHawkFan
Surprised no one else has noticed that the takeoff was amazing considering it would have been the first ever conventional jet takeoff from a carrier without a catapult assist.

No, I'm surprised you haven't noticed that the Russians have been doing it for decades. It is called "STOBAR" for Short Takeoff But Arrested Landing.

In case you missed the details, the new Chinese carrier is a refurbished Russian carrier.

Here's some video of Russians doing the same thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj3o3gNgxg4

(Even the Russian aircraft should look familiar...)

51 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:52 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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The Russians have been operating similar aircraft off a similar ship for close on 20 years.

52 posted on 11/25/2012 9:10:17 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth" - Voltaire)
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To: SeaHawkFan; M Kehoe; Errant

Actually, it was:

1)Nowhere near the first jet take-off from a carrier without cat assist. This vessel is the sister ship to the Russian Kuznetsov (http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/kuznetsov.htm).

The Chinese bought it from the Ukraine in 1998 ten years after the Soviet Union was falling apart...mostly finished, but the Ukraine was broke and could not complete her.

The Russians though, operated their sister carrier just like this from the late 1980s and so have been doing so for 25 years with SU-33 aircraft.

The Chinese took a prototype SU-33 that the Ukrainians had and then rebuilt it (they also license build SU-27s from the Russians which the SU-33 is based on) and have updated the radars, avionics, etc. to make their J-15.

Ski-jump carriers like this and like the ones the Spanish, the Italians, the British, and others have allow an aircraft with sufficient thrust to weight ratios and good lift to utilize the ski-jump as the necessary boost to get airborne and stay that way, and have been doing so for many years.

2) The Chinese conducted numerpus landings and take offs before htis one that was done for the cameras. They launched this vessel in August 2011 and had ten trials in a year and after about the 7th one, the vessel started coming back in with scuff marks on the landing areas and then later balst marks on the deflector. So, they perfected the operation before they ever put out this video announcement.

Raad all about th carrier here:

The Chinese, PLAN CV-16 Liaoning
http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/varyag.htm

and all about the history of how the Chinese refitted it here:

Transforming the Russian Varyag into an operational Chinese aircraft Carrier
http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/redseadragon/varyagtransform.htm

Videos of the commissioning and the aircraft operations at both places.

I have been watching this since 1998 when it was first purchased, through the time they got permission to tow it through the Straits of Istanbul and then through the entire refit.

Knew this day was coming though at first I took some heat for trying to warn people because they did not think the Chinese could do it.

Now, they have, and they are going to next build their own indegenous carriers. I expect they will have six large carriers by 2030, all concentrated in the WESTPAC and they will sooner or later challenge us, the US Navy, there.


60 posted on 11/26/2012 9:00:11 PM PST by Jeff Head
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