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1 posted on 11/25/2012 11:05:00 AM PST by Moseley
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To: Moseley
Better to take the small baby fiscal cliff in Jan 2013 rather than kicking the can down the road for the Mother of All Depressions and collapse that surely is on the way. THE CURRENT COURSE OF “FREE STUFF” IS UNSUSTAINABLE.
2 posted on 11/25/2012 11:14:54 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Moseley

Even though that will cost me higher taxes on dividends, I prefer the fiscal cliff. At least it will curb spending on borrowed money.


3 posted on 11/25/2012 11:26:51 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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If Republicans cannot learn to persuade the public that government spending is out of control, with such an abundance of convincing material, nothing else can save the GOP.

Let's not forget that the MSM will not let this message get out. True, we have alternate media via the Internet, but there are still too many people who watch and believe what they hear from the likes of Sam Donaldson, Matt Lauer and Katie Couric.

Until someone with half a brain can take over one of these outlets and starts broadcasting the truth the mindless liberal masses out there will never hear of the mess we're in until the rioting, robberies and arsons start.

Agree? Disagree?

6 posted on 11/25/2012 11:44:40 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: Moseley

The GOP, with boner at the helm, will do everything possible to undermine itself. You can take that to the bank.


7 posted on 11/25/2012 11:45:49 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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12 posted on 11/25/2012 1:16:31 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Moseley

I honestly believe these people will never, ever show the courage to turn off the fiscal spigot. And as a result, I do not care what they do..as I believe none of it will have an impact.

These idiots will do their best to kick the can down the road, while at the same time waving flags and flashing lights in order to distract the people.

Americans will wake up sometime next year to find China and Russia in charge and tel aviv, Damascus, and Cairo in smoldering heaps.

I love my country. I despise those in government so concerned with their personal reelection that they refuse to make changes. In the end there not a lot of alternatives, and none of them are good.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 1:26:45 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Moseley
There aren't enough Republicans in Congress with the guts or political savvy to make this happen. Republicans are done.
14 posted on 11/25/2012 1:29:39 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Moseley; All
As I've mentioned elsewhere, given Justice John Marshall's official clarification of Congress's limited power to lay taxes, patriots need to question how much Congress's Article I, Section 8-limited powers should be costing them per year. First, here's Justice Marshall's clarification again.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Given that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to tax and spend for healthcare purposes, Congress has no Section 8 authority to establish or lay taxes for programs like Obamacare for example.

Next, here's my estimate for the ceiling of how much Section 8 should be costing taxpayers per year which I really don't see other patriots also questioning for some reason. Given the plurality of clauses in Section 8 are defense related, and given that the Department of Defense (DoD) budget for 2011 was $600+ billion, I will generously round the DoD annual budget for '11 up to $1 trillion, probably much less, as a rough estimate as to how much Section 8 should be costing taxpayers per year.

In other words, we shouldn't be hearing about multi-trillion dollar federal budgets that the corrupt media, including Fx News, is often reporting while ignoring Justice Marshall's case precedent in public policy discussions.

And for the record, I'm convinced that Fx News' silence about Section 8 and Justice Marshall's case precedent in conjunction with constitutionally indefensible federal taxing and spending programs like Obamacare is evidence that Fx is a part of the Left's propaganda machine.

Finally, speaking of Congress's constitutionally limited powers, below is third-party evidence that Congress is wrongly ignoring its Article V (Constitution) requirement to successfully petition the states to ratify amendments to the Constitution to grant Congress specific new powers. Such amendments are necessary to grant Congress the power to regulate, tax and spend for federal programs like Obamacare for example.

Regarding the evidence, consider that (former?) House member Jessie Jackson Jr. has been repeatedly proposing a resolution for a healthcare amendment for years. But govtrack.us notes that any proposal beginning with "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution," is wrongly ignored by Section 8-ignoring Congress (my wording).

"The resolution's title starts with "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United." (-10%)" --H.J.Res. 30: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right ...

16 posted on 11/25/2012 2:28:30 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Moseley

Also;.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fEqkphVOkHc#t=5s


17 posted on 11/25/2012 2:34:04 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Moseley

Most constituents in both political parties are dependent on government for their incomes and will push against the spending cuts, but the spending cuts need to happen and shouldn’t be stopped.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 3:26:30 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Moseley

Time to “bring it all down man”, only this time WE use their OWN tools against them.

We need to go beyond Galt and start becoming “super consumer leeches” while preparing simultaneously for the inevitable accelerated collapse.

Sign up for damn near EVERY government food stamp and assistance program and help our family and friends do the same damn thing. Let us make Obama OWN the food stamp title.

Use the extra food stamps to stock up on “prepping food” or buy food for CONSERVATIVE CHARITIES ONLY!!!!

It took lazy ass unmotivated leeches over 40 years! to take the system to the edge, let’s see what a bunch of hard working pissed off Americans can do it 4 short years!


21 posted on 11/25/2012 3:33:26 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Moseley
The TEA PARTY SHOULD EMBRACE THE FISCAL CLIFF -- er, FISAL BABY STEP

FISAL BABY STEP?

22 posted on 11/25/2012 3:49:01 PM PST by Isabel C.
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2 days after the election and I came out of shock I said this. For one year the republicans need to vote present. I passed it by my TEA Party group and once I fully explained, they agreed.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 7:27:59 PM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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