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The 47% have no idea how much healthcare reform will cost them
MedCity News ^ | November 5, 2012 | Jane Orient

Posted on 11/25/2012 3:45:32 PM PST by plain talk

It may be unpopular to say so, but it is true: the U.S. is very close to, if not past, the tipping point at which the majority of the people are net beneficiaries of big government — or so they think. People who receive a check from the government may see voting for a smaller government as contrary to their best interest. If they don’t pay taxes, why should they care about a tax increase?

Perceptions are, however, deceiving.”Healthcare reform,” as the (Un)Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) is billed, probably shows more clearly than anything else how most Americans, including Romney’s notorious 47%, are harmed by government “benefits.”

Lower wage earners, who produce real goods or provide a service their fellow Americans value, pay for those benefits even if they’re not liable for federal income tax. Fifteen percent is taken right off the top of their earnings for the Social Security/Medicare tax. This is 100% a tax, and 0% an investment. It is 100% spent, immediately, on other people’s entitlements, with a politician’s promise that the workers may get an entitlement someday, paid for by future workers — if they and the program survive long enough.

All Americans, including the working poor, will, as early as 2013, be hit with the medical device tax and the rest of some 18 ObamaCare-related tax hikes amounting to perhaps $500 billion. Starting in 2014 is the ObamaTax proper, the individual and employer mandate.

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KEYWORDS: 47percent; abortion; deathpanels; fica; medicaid; medicare; obamacare; socialsecurity; taxes; zerocare
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To: plain talk

January 2014 is going to be greatly entertaining when everybody who thinks that Obamacare means free health care gets their fines from the IRS for not buying insurance.

21 posted on 11/25/2012 4:18:22 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: traditional1

My in-laws who are all liberal democrats and who come from modest to extremely wealthy means have no idea what Obama care will really cost. They think they are getting free medical care. When I asked my BIL if he was going to get buy into an accpetable insurance plan or pay the tax, he stopped talking to me for 3 months.

They all live if Cali and voted for prop 30. One is unhappy with Obama because he is too conservative. That one made me laugh out loud.

22 posted on 11/25/2012 4:25:37 PM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: plain talk
Read the comments after the article, especially the ones from the Obama true believer "mwbright". He/she/it leads off with this gem:
Talk about cold blooded claptrap from an evil old woman, getting paid to spew lies on behalf of the Insurance industry. Sorry, but regarding Obamacare, that ship left port. It’s the law of the land and it’s going to evolve pretty quick into Single Payer, and all Americans will soon come to wonder why in the world anyone ever believed such lying nonsense.

23 posted on 11/25/2012 4:28:04 PM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: plain talk

They’re too dumb to realize it. If they do, they’ll just blame the evil Republicans.

24 posted on 11/25/2012 4:31:36 PM PST by RB156
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To: plain talk

my moron 20 something nieces and nephews on Thanksgiving were talking about Obamacare. 1 of them works for Applebees and thought it was ridiculous that the owner wasn’t going to give them full time employment to pay for the healthcare. I bit my tongue and tell I could bit it no more. And then I let loose

25 posted on 11/25/2012 4:32:01 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: Libloather
What happens once the idiot Hussein voters finally figure it out?

LOL! Figure what out?
Hate to break it to you, but thinking isn't exactly the Ubama voters' strong suit.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 4:37:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CityCenter

“When I asked my BIL if he was going to get buy into an accpetable insurance plan or pay the tax, he stopped talking to me for 3 months.”

That was his answer? What did he think was going to happen?

27 posted on 11/25/2012 4:39:24 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: plain talk

Yep, no car, no house, the first item in every budget will be the Democrat’s Mandatory Heath Care Insurance Bureaucracy.

28 posted on 11/25/2012 4:40:31 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: plain talk

Wow, what’s really amazing is people still think there will be a 2016 election

29 posted on 11/25/2012 4:42:04 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: Libloather
What happens once the idiot Hussein voters finally figure it out?

By the time enough of them figure it out, Obamacare will have become the new normal, Bedford Falls will have permanently become Pottersville, and there won't be a Clarence to make it snow again...

30 posted on 11/25/2012 4:44:47 PM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: Son House

And paying for more IRS agents.

31 posted on 11/25/2012 4:47:04 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: plain talk

The 47% don’t have any idea what the “Affordable Health Care Act will cost? AND WHO’S FAULT IS THAT ????

Expecting voters to know what’s going on and their reliance on MSM is just part of why our great loss. While there are examples of fraud which may close up the gap, the gap is too big to blame the loss on fraud ...Expecting GOP E’s to address media bias or Romney to call Obama a congenital liar or even point out that the fact and figures released by the white house were allways questionable is another Let alone call him a “socialist”.. But the fault lies really in the messaging the Republican campaign came up.choking on political correctness parameters or triping over past positions on global warming and Romneycare both of which were bread and butter issues. .Then busy responding to pseudo positions devised by the demo-com party and echoed by their hand maiden camp followers in the media allowing them to set the agenda ..

Romney ran a “Johnny One Note Campaign”. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..

They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama past due 2013/14 Tax Increases. The impact of Obama’s gagging energy.resources.(a socialist construct never branded as such) with policies requiring reliance on intermittent sources wind and solar and that resulting in massive corruption .,restricted use of drilling, and coal ,bans and on fracking, and resulting prices doubling on everything.. This was a bread and butter issue which reached into every “demographics” pocketbook including accepting the demo-com definition of hyphenated African-Hispanic -Americans . .The impact of Supreme Court Appointments.. 18,000 new IRS agents and on and on. . Some were very briefly touched most weren’t and Benghazi/ foreign policy was left to languish. Then there is Obama’s personal extravagance and behavior refusing to visit Nashville after its disaster showing up at New Orleans after Mitt visited it. Even after the Christi thing if that was brought up it would have blunted the impact.

Instead we got a sales pitch on executive ability but not the reason why one should toss the old model and buy his. That print and tv pitch , 20 million new jobs, was given a discrarded dose of skepticism .

In addition Rove who I understand was handling the Charter PAC senate campaign played games. His material never warned voters that IF OBAMA GETS RE-ELECTED AND SENATE CONTROL REMAINED . .. OBAMACARE AND ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT GO WITH IT WILL NEVER GET REPEALED Let alone tie into or cover the formentioned grape shot which would have perhaps changed that body. I don’t recall any of that material directed toward that fact.

Finally they didn’t believe the polls which turned out were dead on. Even going as far as setting up focus groups which could have looked into what’s going on . Even to the point of going out to local eateries and bars and eavesdrop into conversations and pick up on topics being discussed.(chat rooms twitter too contrived) They would have learned their turnout projections were off and the sence of urgency to get out the vote was diminished by their glowing projections and disbelief never mind ORCA which should have been tested. COMPLACENCY WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE MEDIA AND NOT COUNTER ACTED UPON

Our local small population (-8000) rural blue county GOP had at the outset good and growing attendence at their meetings 50 plus. At the meeting the Thursday before the election only about a dozen people showed up and I knew we were in trouble .

Nuts...This loss is inexcuseable, while I trully don’t believe Mitt Romney would ever continence losing, I’m begining to believe that most GOPE’s really didn’t want to see AHCA, (affordable health care act) otherwise known as ZerO care go ..

32 posted on 11/25/2012 4:59:20 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make When is the treatment of Amstreight for the way of the Lord")
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To: montomike

If we don’t find a good candidate, it might happen.

33 posted on 11/25/2012 5:00:09 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: plain talk
Social Security taxes are not instantly spent on someone else's entitlement.

They go to the Treasury, are credited to the Social Security system and then loaned to the US government.

It's a forced loan, of course, but it's not handled as a direct transfer payment from one individual to another.

Currently Social Security is owed something like 6 trillion bucks by the government.

Remember, too, recipients of Social Security do not consider it an entitlement. Even some of the believers in the '47 percent' meme don't think of it as an entitlement.

About 99% of the time folks who imagine strange things about Social Security are confounding it with Supplemental Security Income (SSI) ~ an entirely different program paid for directly from the Treasury out of borrowed money, or taxes ~ if there are still taxes being paid somewhere.

The federal government also rents buildings, rents equipment, makes long term purchase agreements from manufacturers of all sorts of things, and buys stuff. Much of that activity involves the government writing somebody a check ~ Boeing aircraft are purchased this way. That doesn't make the employees of Boeing, or the owners, into welfare recipients.

Not to sound too terribly pedantic about precision in speech, but the 47% idea didn't do Romney much good. If you want to win a debate ~ and win an election ~ what you want to do is talk about the issues not the psychological pathologies of the participants, or other people. They know their nuts ~ they just don't want to talk about it in public ~ no sense you letting them know that you know that you are all nuts.

It'll make for a cleaner debate and won't PO people who've spent 50 years paying for Social Security!

34 posted on 11/25/2012 5:12:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Libloather
"What happens once the idiot Hussein voters finally figure it out?"

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

35 posted on 11/25/2012 5:12:49 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: plain talk

Won’t cost ‘em a nickel more that they used to spend. Oh, it won’t give ‘em a nickel’s additional amount of health care...neither...

36 posted on 11/25/2012 5:13:32 PM PST by stevem
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To: mosesdapoet
"congenital liar" ~ ?

I thought he was supposed to be a "Tanned Genital Liar'

37 posted on 11/25/2012 5:14:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: montomike
Every lib I know is drooling over the coming eight years of Hillary following Obama’s eight. She will have a coronation in 2016...

Yeah, by that time the health care companies will be struggling big time. Hillary to the rescue to usher in migration of ObamaCare into universal government HillaryCare

38 posted on 11/25/2012 5:16:34 PM PST by plain talk
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To: mosesdapoet

Opinion » Columnists

Obama's Soviet Mistake


By Xavier Lerma

Obama's Soviet Mistake. 48555.jpeg

Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.

After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.

Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Putin said regarding the military,

"...instead of solving the problem, militarization pushes it to a deeper level. It draws away from the economy immense financial and material resources, which could have been used much more efficiently elsewhere."

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it.  He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia.  Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion.

Reading Putin's speech without knowing the author, one would think it was written by Reagan or another conservative in America. The speech promotes smaller government and less taxes. It comes as no surprise to those who know Putin as a conservative. Vladimir Putin went on to say:

"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.

 The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.

There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.

Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.

During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."

President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.

"We must seek support in the moral values that have ensured the progress of our civilization. Honesty and hard work, responsibility and faith in our strength are bound to bring us success."- Vladimir Putin

The red, white and blue still flies happily but only in Russia. Russia still has St George defeating the Dragon with the symbol of the cross on its' flag. The ACLU and other atheist groups in America would never allow the US flag with such religious symbols. Lawsuits a plenty against religious freedom and expression in the land of the free. Christianity in the U.S. is under attack as it was during the early period of the Soviet Union when religious symbols were against the law.   

Let's give American voters the benefit of the doubt and say it was all voter fraud and not ignorance or stupidity in electing a man who does not even know what to do and refuses help from Russia when there was an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Instead we'll say it's true that the Communists usage of electronic voting was just a plan to manipulate the vote. Soros and his ownership of the company that counts the US votes in Spain helped put their puppet in power in the White House. According to the Huffington Post, residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the Unites States. We'll say that these Americans are hostages to the Communists in power. How long will their government reign tyranny upon them?

Russia lost its' civil war with the Reds and millions suffered torture and death for almost 75 years under the tyranny of the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians survived with a new and stronger faith in God and ever growing Christian Church. The question is how long will the once "Land of the Free" remain the United Socialist States of America?  Their suffering has only begun. Bye bye Miss American Pie!  You know the song you hippies. Sing it! Don't you remember? The 1971 hit song by American song writer Don McLean:

"And, as I watched him on the stage my hands were clenched in fists of rage.

No angel born in Hell could break that Satan's spell

And, as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite, I saw...

Satan laughing with delight the day the music died

He was singing, bye bye Miss American Pie

Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry

Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye, singing...

This'll be the day that I die

This'll be the day that I die

So, the question remains:

How long will America suffer and to what depths?


Xavier Lerma

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His popular articles can be seen at

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To: ex91B10

Yep, if it’s Hill vs. Jeb I’m not voting. The people promoting Jeb and his son George are in for a huge loss. Karl Rove and his ilk need to leave.

40 posted on 11/25/2012 5:25:12 PM PST by dandiegirl
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