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The “right” to healthcare does not require a doctor to work for free
Med City News ^ | 11-23-12 | Kevin Smith MD

Posted on 11/25/2012 4:12:14 PM PST by ReformationFan

After the election, a lot of people are excited that they can now get healthcare. Or maybe not quite yet, but by 2014, when ObamaCare is fully implemented.

The only problem is that healthcare is not like an Obama phone. The phones are all made by a standard process in a factory, probably in China, and they usually work.

You can use them to call a healthcare provider. But you usually get the ’if this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911,’ followed by the phone menu.

How will this change with ObamaCare? Doesn’t that give you a right to care?

Whenever someone tells me about the “right” to healthcare, I ask, “From whom? From me?” This question exposes this “right” for the robbery and slavery that it is. Take it to the next step. Do you really want to exercise your “right” to healthcare on a physician who doesn’t want any part of this bargain? What kind of care do you think you’ll receive?

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I think Dr. Smith states his case very well.
1 posted on 11/25/2012 4:12:21 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Everyone will eventually find a doctor to care for them....but it’ll take hours, if not days...to get your dose of “care”. The sad thing is that you then have to hear folks whine about this on NBC or CNN...telling you just woeful tales of how the system didn’t work like they imagined (to include the folks who had health care before Obama Care came along).


2 posted on 11/25/2012 4:16:30 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: ReformationFan

BTTT


3 posted on 11/25/2012 4:19:14 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ReformationFan

Silly doctor. Doesn’t he know ‘bout the Physician Draft act of 2015, that will swell the ranks of the Public Health Service Corps?


4 posted on 11/25/2012 4:22:09 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: ReformationFan

bump

I’m from the Givernment and I have come to give you a free lifetime supply of
debt...
More debt than you can possibly imagine
More debt than you could possibly repay in a lifetime
and its absolutely free,
paid for by the ever shrinking value of the dollar!!

It’s just like winning the lottery of life for a little while...


5 posted on 11/25/2012 4:22:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ReformationFan

Us peons will get the ill-trained “barefoot doctors” that rank-and-file Cubans now receive care from. The politiburo members and well-connected citizens will receive 21st Century care. Period.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 4:31:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

a virtual army of moose limb “docs” are ready and waiting. no joke. special visas will be issued


7 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:01 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: pepsionice
Check out the complaints about Thai Universal Health(free)system. Italics are mine. "The doctor explains that while people on SS are complaining of standards of health care, in government hospitals the standard of care is dropping due to increased workload of hospital staff and a growing numbers of patients.

"Now we have waiting lists, "he says and compares Thailand to the UK's NHS (National Health Service). "We studied the EU community and their health care systems and wanted to bring that to Thailand," he says, though adds that in many western countries some "responsibility" must come from the patient. Due to Thailand's UC system now being completely free there is an "over utilisation" of the health care system, he says. Because it's free, and drugs are free, doctors and nurses are "overburdened and overworked". "

8 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:25 PM PST by USAF80
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To: pepsionice

“Everyone will eventually find a doctor to care for them....but it’ll take hours, if not days...to get your dose of “care”.

Of course they will. The doctor taking care of you will be foreign and speak very little English. Of course, that’s happening already. Many of the docs saw this coming and are preparing to either exit the profession as fast as they can or they will stop accepting patients who are on medicare and medicaid. I can hardly wait for hussein to sign an executive order forcing these docs to work for nothing and claim it is for the general welfare that the Constitution “provides” for.


9 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:47 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And don’t forget...

The “barefoot doctors” and nurses will be members of an all powerful government union.


10 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:54 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You won’t even get to see a doc. They will send everyone a medical illness book so you can self diagnose. Once you figure out what is wrong with you you will call in to a call center to get a number to see a doc based on your self diagnosis.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 4:38:30 PM PST by USAF80
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To: ReformationFan

The “right” to healthcare does require a doctor to work for free


12 posted on 11/25/2012 4:42:32 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: NonValueAdded

“Silly doctor. Doesn’t he know ‘bout the Physician Draft act of 2015, that will swell the ranks of the Public Health Service Corps?”

Involuntary servitude. Thought that was prohibited in the 13th amendment. Guess that will take another civil war to re-establish.

I don’t know which will happen first; currency collapse or health care collapse. No matter, 0bama won and things will be just fine. But seriously, people are still really asleep. But at least today, I engaged in one of my recent favorite activities. I went to the supermarket and stocked up on $250 of canned food. I usually like to get the African American cashiers (95% 0bama voter) and watch their reaction.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 4:43:54 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: ReformationFan
HC is not a right. But it does violate my rights to require me to pay for the HC of others.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 4:45:01 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: zeestephen

Obama voters won’t know who is treating them. Nurse Practitioners, “Doctors of Nursing”, Physician assistants etc. The mark of an intelligent patient will be to ask their caregiver “Are you a physician?” Soon that question will be considered very politically incorrect.


15 posted on 11/25/2012 4:46:46 PM PST by allendale
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To: zeestephen

6 years ago I was unable to get hired as a RN in south Florida due to a hiring freeze in the hospitals that lasted years. I kept my license active all this time even though I have not been working as a nurse.

Every year, new nurses were churned out of the nursing programs, and majority couldn’t find employment. (at least that was the word on allnurses.com forum for nurses) So I would think there is a glut of nurses now.

It seems that even though there were no jobs, nurses were encouraged to train because of a “nursing shortage”.

Me thinks this was according to the plan . . .


16 posted on 11/25/2012 4:47:12 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kudos to this doc for saying what needs to be said.

Older, wiser, more experienced docs are having nothing of this. Already seeing the MD in the office I train with going to concierge care. (you want his care, you will be paying for it out of pocket). Other patients will be seeing the NP’s. Don’t get how all these new patients will all be seen by the limited number of NP’s in practice at the moment.

Training to be an NP myself. Really not looking forward to going through all this hassle only to be paid peanuts as an Obamabot care provider. I pray I get on with a Minute Clinic or some such organization.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 4:52:06 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: USAF80

NO....you will NOT see a Doc...you’ll be prescreened by an administrative person, who then MAY let you see a Physicians Assistant, who then will decide if MAYBE you are worthy of seeing a doc. Of course, if you grease the palms enough, you’ll get to go closer to the front of the waiting line...


18 posted on 11/25/2012 4:52:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Bluebird Singing

Hmmmm....10+ years ago when I spent a week with my Great Uncle who was in an ICU in South Florida....most of the nurses were foreigners....could THAT be the problem?


19 posted on 11/25/2012 4:54:26 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Would love to see that. They can make me show up, they can’t make actually treat anyone.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 4:58:02 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: freeangel

I am working on my exit strategy and will be out of medical practice as woo as I feasibly can. I cannot be forced to work for the government healthcare system and will not. Period.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 4:59:22 PM PST by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: ReformationFan

Did y’all read the comments after the article....sheesh, the ignorance of the masses...


22 posted on 11/25/2012 5:01:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

Look for a new crop of affirmative action doctors in the not too distant future. Prolly will have their own union too.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 5:04:14 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: ReformationFan

Exactly. If God wanted us to have a “right” to free healthcare, doctors would have been born already educated and trained and would have been given a license to practice medicine instead of a birth certificate. Don’t use drugs. We’ve already got more liberal ‘RATS in this country than we really need.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 5:05:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: ReformationFan

Bookmark.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 5:08:04 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Liberals do not understand that a “want” and a “right” are two very different things.


26 posted on 11/25/2012 5:08:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ReformationFan

Bookmark.


27 posted on 11/25/2012 5:09:05 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Mom MD
I am working on my exit strategy and will be out of medical practice as woo as I feasibly can. I cannot be forced to work for the government healthcare system and will not. Period.

Just make sure that you leave your phone number with JimRob in case we Freepers need a real doctor. No joke. I've read reports of doctors who have failed their board exams in India being hired by the NHS in Britain.

28 posted on 11/25/2012 5:11:12 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: ReformationFan

Say goodbye to hospital bedside doctors...

We are seeing implementation of interactive audio/video systems installed in patient rooms that are connected by a high bandwidth connection to a monitoring facility in another city that will be staffed with a doctor that is able to watch the streaming medical data from the patient - heart rate, blood pressure(s), oxygen saturation, heart data calculations, etc.

The doctor can pan the camera to talk to the patient/nurse and watch the bedside patient monitor, ventilators, etc.

Just another step closer until it is monitored from a certified Obamacare “doctor” out of Washington DC who can remotely pull the plug on grandma.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 5:11:36 PM PST by ThE_RiPpEr.
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To: GeronL

You got that right (correct). Also, freedom is a right but we still have to frequently pay for it in blood. Just because something is “a right”, it doesn’t mean that it’s free. Jesse Jackson and Fat Al Sharpton started this “right” crap about going to see a doctor.


30 posted on 11/25/2012 5:13:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

bump


31 posted on 11/25/2012 5:15:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: goodnesswins

“NO....you will NOT see a Doc...you’ll be prescreened by an administrative person, who then MAY let you see a Physicians Assistant, who then will decide if MAYBE you are worthy of seeing a doc.”

Medicare is coming up with strict rules regarding physician supervision of PAs. This will limit the use of PAs, but NPs will still be able to see patients w/o physicians in the building. As far as Medicare is concerned, the idea to to restrict access for old people as a way to reduce costs. The ‘complete lives system’ will reduce the surplus, GOP voting population. Meanwhile, for the time being, Medicaid patients (illegals, single women, AAs, Hispanics) will probably have better access than Medicare patients. It’s all about voting patterns for demographic groups.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 5:19:24 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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Many make none

33 posted on 11/25/2012 5:26:44 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: ReformationFan

It’s what I have been telling folks for years. If you have a right to the knowledge and skill I have spent a lifetime acquiring how do you propose to get it against my will?


34 posted on 11/25/2012 5:33:26 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ThE_RiPpEr.

There is even talk about robotic surgery. You doc can be anywhere in the world controlling the robot. This way they don’t need as many docs on hand.

Just pray that the PC program does not freeze up at a critical point of your procedure.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 5:39:26 PM PST by USAF80
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To: ReformationFan

Wanna bet?


36 posted on 11/25/2012 5:48:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: pepsionice

It took exactly TWO WEEKS from the election until the letter arrived from our PCP that the practice was becoming ‘boutique’ for a monthly fee, And, of course, they will continue to accept insurance, the premiums for which have about doubled in the last couple of years. But now, for the monthly ‘boutique’ fee, we will have the same time and attention from the docs as we’ve become used to. They are not fools.

And Obamacare will solve NOTHING. The small % of folks who didn’t have health insurance were, probably 95-99% medicaid-eligible, would have gotten healthcare in any case. Alas, now EVERYONE is screwed.


37 posted on 11/25/2012 5:57:04 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: grumpygresh

Sadly, you probably hit the nail on the head.


38 posted on 11/25/2012 5:58:08 PM PST by alamogal
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To: VanShuyten

I’m not leaving free republic. Of course by refusing to work for the govt I’ll probably lose my license and DEA #. But FR has a large medical community. We can take care of each other


39 posted on 11/25/2012 5:59:38 PM PST by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: goodnesswins; All
One of the comments, in case anyone still thinks the marxists can be reasoned with:

Only $285 for six hours? How do you eat? Dont forget we heavily subsidized your education. Get off your high horse and get to work. Everyone is going to make less money now. Youre lucky enough to have a choice. Because you are a doctor doesnt mean you know a thing about health care reform. Pointless post.

40 posted on 11/25/2012 6:06:18 PM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: ReformationFan

Postitive rights require slaves. Not coincidental that the Democrats love positive rights.


41 posted on 11/25/2012 6:39:14 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: mykroar
Those morons commenting are complete dicks. No "you" DIDN'T "heavily subsidize" my education. I had over 200K in loans to pay off, for the "privelege" of taking care of ingrates like these.

And when I was in residency I got paid peanuts.

Did I go into medicine to get rich? No.

But I also didn't go into medicine and make incredible sacrifices of life, hard work, and time, to be considered some kind of "slave" to greedy, entitled POS's.

42 posted on 11/25/2012 6:45:10 PM PST by boop ("I need another Cutty Sark"-LBJ)
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To: ReformationFan

As an MD, I agree. I think people have no idea what’s coming their way - a rude shock to their sense of entitlement, lives of increasing frustration and desperation, and a nose dive in their life expectancy.


43 posted on 11/25/2012 6:54:55 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ReformationFan

Food is needed to sustain life so it must be a right, right? When will Obama be giving free food to everyone within our borders?


44 posted on 11/25/2012 6:57:12 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Bluebird Singing

That same “nursing shortage” is being used today to induce the unwary to sign up for nursing degrees at colleges and universities. Amazing how many people believe that health care is still a guaranteed job. Local hospitals have hundreds of applications for every position advertised as “open”....but ask about it and somehow they never seem to find a qualified person.


45 posted on 11/25/2012 7:08:23 PM PST by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: boop

The people making those comments probably pay no Federal income tax at all, and have not subsidized anyone.


46 posted on 11/25/2012 7:17:38 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: originalbuckeye

Well, there is already breakfast, lunch, and dinner at some public schools, amd tens of millions on foodstamps.

An entire nation of thieves and parasites is what America has become.


47 posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:09 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ReformationFan
Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Bad Laws and Unintended Consequences, part 1.

Obamacare Rips Doctor-Patient Relationship Apart

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)


48 posted on 11/25/2012 7:21:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: USAF80

That would give the “Blue Screen of Death” an ENTIRELY new meaning. . .


49 posted on 11/25/2012 7:41:37 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: allendale

Re: “That question will be politically incorrect”

Only if you ask someone who is not white.

In which case, it will be grounds for a lawsuit!


50 posted on 11/25/2012 7:55:37 PM PST by zeestephen
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