Skip to comments.On Not Cooperating With Obamacare
Posted on 11/25/2012 11:33:52 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
The Hill has an interesting story reporting on Republican governors refusing to set up state exchanges under Obamacare which could save the states money since they are on the hook for costs in excess of federal grants. That means the feds will have to do it on a state-by-state basis, a daunting task even for this highly bureaucratic administration. Plus, it is perfectly legal under the law to engage in such passive resistance.
Some liberals say that approach isnt conservative because, in effect, it allows the feds to run state health care. (As if they care!) Im not buying. In case anyone hasnt noticed, HHS already does run health care nationally about issues important to the Obama political coalition as in free-birth-control rule, with more of the same no doubt coming soon. Indeed, Obamacare was designed to allow the technocracy to create entitlements nationally on the dimes of the private sector, while guaranteeing the employment of ever more technocrats.
After an appalling and incoherent Supreme Court ruling and the recent election, it does seem now that utter legal non cooperation is the only way remaining to impede the Leviathan. Heres another suggestion: Senate Republicans should filibuster confirmation of the soon-to-be-nominated members of the Independent Payment Advisory Board. No board, no IPAB autocracy. Of course, the president might then make a non-recess recess appointment, but that opens any action taken by IPAB to legal attack.
So, stalwart Obamacare opponents, time for some good old fashioned passive resistance. Go limp. For those on the political left who object to such blatant obstructionism, I have two words for you: sanctuary cities.
It's time to stop crying in our beers, retching our guts out over the reelection of Obama, running around like decapitated chickens and fainting at the prospects of our future.
Soldier getting up from floor: Trying to get some sleep, sir.
Gen. George S. Patton: "Well, get back down there, son. You're the only son of a bi#ch in this headquarters who knows what he's trying to do."
There is one thing every state has that would allow an easy stand up of an insurance exchange. Every state has federal employees that get insurance under the Federal Employee Health Benefit. FEHB has numerous options in just about every state for coverage. In essence these governors might be doing what a lot of people have been screaming for, get people the coverage that the government provides for its employees.
One way or another, it won't really matter. The ACA was written with one intended consequence, its failure. Its funding scheme works to cover only a finite number of people. If employers stop covering employees (which the ACA makes financially viable) then the number of people eligible for an insurance subsidy will quickly outstrip ACA's ability to pay. Employees won't care because many low wage employees will get a better deal under the ACA than they do from low wage employers.
When did we all become a bunch of lemmings dutifully walking off the cliff saying, "One way or another, it won't really matter?"
Comply? LOL I don’t even accept the authority of this POS p-resident.
Passive resistence until active resistence becomes feasible..
VOTING... is rididulous..
Any that votes henchforth are cowards or worse..
The COUP D-etat has happened... its not going to happen..
The left has made their move.. their Putsch..
If you look at the ACA it is built on a funding scheme where the three major components are 1) pulling money out of Medicare, 2) penalties on employers of more than 50 that don't provide full time employees with health coverage, and 3) taxes on the rich....and anybody that uses healthcare, tanning beds, medical devices, etc. Additionally they collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of benefits.
All those revenue streams are supposed to support between 15 and 20 million people that are currently uninsured and is supposed to be revenue neutral. What happens when more than 20 million people show up for coverage under ACA? Well, the penalties to employers might go up, but the other two portions of the funding scheme can't be expected to increase. The plan will collapse under its own weight.
It was written that way and I don't think the ACA can last much past its first 10 year cycle before we are forced into a single payer plan as the only option. The government will have destroyed any way back.
We take the bull by the horns.
We must constantly highlight all the ways Big Government fails (and at such high prices in dollars and cents, and the utter failure of performance and product).
Besides a constantly subsidized bankrupt Amtrak, the subsidized “dying for years on the vine” U.S. Postal Service, us lining up for hours at a dysfunctional Dept. of Transportation, now the Federal cabal is destroying the best healthcare in the world - forcing it on a majority who do not want it - soon Big Government Obama, Reed and Pelosi will be dealing with the massive Student Loan bubble coming our way.
And how about that FEMA!?
Wow! We have all this material and we don’t use it.
Can the federal government even fund itself much past the next 10 years?
[ Wow! We have all this material and we dont use it. ]
Only a matter of time until people start disappearing..
They just “disappear”.. no one knows where.. just gone..
or intimidated into shutting up.. by threats to family or loved ones..
OR ALL THAT.. and more..
time to accept that it’s over.
Smile as you pay your inflated taxes. They won.
Certainly one of the things they could do is just add these people to the Medicare plan which already exists but just rename it. One big problem with this is that most docs are getting out of Medicare. In Texas employees of the Federal government use Blue Cross or GEHA which is located in Kansas City. There may be other choices but these are certainly major players. On September 1 the State of Texas moved its employees coverage from Blue Cross of Texas to United Healthcare. I found this switch interesting since AARP which supports Obamacare is part of United Healthcare and Texas is one of those that does not intend to establish state exchanges. It’s already a big convoluted mess.
He feels one of the ways that the government could immediately make insurance cheaper would be to make it easier for companies to become mutuals. Evidently there are a bunch of obstacles to that.
I will no more stop fighting this cancer on America and humanity than I will stop fighting the ever present weeds and fire ants attacking my lawn and garden.
Socialist Green Warriors want to weaken my weapons on the gardening front as well as on the social and economic front.
But we must not pause and cry about the way the battle has swung - allowing them to overrun our resistance. Once we do, they win and we have lost the fight.
Shame, shame on us if we roll over and give up.
Tend to your gardens. Keep growing faith, family, fortunes and freedom.
We fight this thing tooth and nail - we resist!
More Americans will join in that cause than they will a whimpering, foot-stomping parade.
The state media will portray us evil and greedy but we can use the publicity to get out how in the end this will hurt everyone.
Americans are attracted to and follow LEADERS!
“Some liberals say that approach isnt conservative because, in effect, it allows the feds to run state health care.”
Healthcare in the US is completely run by the feds. What do you think federal price controls via Medicare are? People don’t understand, healthcare is completely federalized.
We’ve been funneled onto this 3rd party pay path for a long time.
AARP is not part of United Healthcare. I am a former health insurance agent for United Healthcare, and specifically sold Medicare supplements promoted by AARP. They just have a business relationship, that’s all. I am not defending AARP because they are the last group that I would consider helping Medicare recipients. It’s all about the bottom line. And they stand to profit considerably under Obamacare.
Thanks for that info. I was really wondering about that claim when I saw it in the original reply.
AFAIK, AARP is not part of any insurance company.
I have always said that the grand design of Obamacare was to drive private insurance companies from the marketplace. I agree on the design of PPACA as being a step towards single-payor, but for different reasons.
The first step in PPACA was to increase the loss ratios for private insurance companies by 20%. To make up for a drop in revenue combined with a requirement for an increase in required coverage meant that insurers had to substantially increase their rates. This will spiral even further upward as the remaining provisions of the law go into effect over the next 13 months.
Pelosi and Reid are both on record as saying that insurers who increase their rates beyond a certain percentage will not be allowed on the exchanges. As insurers must be on an exchange to offer coverage to new enrollees, this means that insurers will begin leaving the marketplace as their costs outstrip their ability to generate revenue to cover those increased costs. At some point, probably long before the first decade is up, the government will be “forced” to step in, as the impending national “healthcare crisis” requires them to implement “an immediate solution”: socialized medicine. Yaaaay, we’re saved.
It didn't help that the stupid party tried to beat the worst president ever with the worst republican candidate ever.
To top that bit of stupidity, there are people on this forum, who want Romney to run again in 2016. Oh, hell yes, lets get McCain to be his V.P. pick while we are at it.
Why would we have to cooperate with Obamacare? The law itself says it isn’t required.
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendment), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs. (1)
Does this work? Its from the Obamacare law itself.
Go Galt. Don't give them a target to take more taxes. Reject surfdom status.
what do you recommend oh wise one
I despise the term “revenue stream” it alway reminds me of somebody taking a whiz.............
I think it was designed to fail and I think Obama's admitted as much in the past. Single-payer was always the goal and he's always seen ACA as a means to that end. ACA will be so miserable people will beg for single-payer and with how things are, Republicans will be blamed for ACA since the electorate has been propagandized for years not that it was a "conservative" plan.
Funding for the Feds to set up exchanges for the states was not in the bill - somehow, the idiots thought the States would set up their own exchanges at considerable state expense. By opting out, the Feds have a tremendous burden, not only financially, but logistically. In addition, whoever wrote the bill also left a loophole ... only state exchanges provide a subsidy and if the exchange is not a state exchange, the $2,000 fine/employee doesn’t seem to apply. The bill states clearly & in more than one place that it is the ‘state exchange’. Having realized this horrendous mistake, the IRS is trying to ‘regulate’ to fill the gap and correct this, but they have already been told that they cannot impose new taxes, only congress. This is going to result in lawsuits as businesses go to court on the fine issue when the IRS does try to impose the fine. Also, states who have Fed exchanges and no employer fines will be in a stronger position than states who set up their own exchange and DO have the fine - where would you want your business located? Congress will have to approve the money for the Feds to set up these exchanges .... the Repubs need to grow a spine and starve the beast. Congress will have to revisit the ACA to make it workable. When the exchanges aren’t up in time and people are being taxed for services they are not receiving ... more lawsuits. Obamacare IS a mess and it’s going to be a DISASTER in the not-so-distant future on many levels including doctor availability, “free” in Obamacare not matching Obamaphone owner expectations ..... and on and on and on it goes.
Two great links for more reading:
To a large degree nobama admin is like FDR’s. Lots of high minded “college Professor” ideas and damn little practical experience.
Drowning BamaClausCare in the practical details may probably be a whole lot easier that fighting it through Congress. By the time 2014 rolls around the bloom will long be off the new 2012 hopey/changey and BamaClaus will have become the Grinch to many more of the sheeple. If Pubbies don’t get commanding majorities in both Houses in 2014, then America will truly be lost and nobama will have free rein, but I think Karma Police will have their say to the residents of the WhiteyHut and they will be the ones hoping the most 2016 can get them out of there.
I hope you know that was not by accident. I believe the open primaries let the RATS select our candidate.
Romney was their first choice followed by NOOT. Closing the primaries to the party you picked when you registered to vote would stop that. A lot of states have that rule. We do here in FL.
Herman Cain was the RATS biggest fear. They ended that real fast. . . . .
It’s time to hunker down, buy ammo and prep. Sure, we can support conservative efforts at the state level, but let’s not fool ourselves, they are still only politicians and odds are they will fail as usual. As far as 0-care is concerned, the laws of economics will defeat it before any pol. And, as far as full blown socialized health care is concerned, the economy will collapse way before something like that could be implemented in any meaningful way.
Thanks for the comments re AARP and UHC. I suspect that they are very intertwined. I do know that all the AARP payments are now direct deposit to my doctor clients and they all come through with our payments from UHC. Have been working in this field since 1985 and have never seen such strange bedfellows until this year.
I'm just another person with an opinion. And that is, we have to stop being afraid of these people. Stop flinching every time they point and shout lies and accusations like racist, greedy, anti-science. Instead, push back with the truth and watch how many people will grow a backbone and join us. Hold up our heads! We will never earn respect for conservatism if we look like we won't fight for it. And vet and support conservatives - walk away (dry up funding) from spineless elected officials who like their political career and do not work for us.
Another interesting aspect is that HHS has missed just about every deadline for turning the “law” into a program. As Joe Biden would say, “That’s a big F’n deal, man.”
“I despise the term revenue stream it alway reminds me of somebody taking a whiz.............”
Thats thee govt taking a whiz all over us.
Oh yes, it IS! :-)
Showing you have a backbone isn’t popular with the beautiful people. I don’t mind showing I have a backbone, but now I am pretty much isolated as a result of living in a liberal ghetto. If I could only find some conservatives to socialize with I would be a happy lady