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The GOP's California Lesson (You want amnesty? Look at what's happening in the once Golden State)
American Thinker ^ | 11/26/2012 | Jared E. Peterson

Posted on 11/26/2012 7:38:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind

There's been much verbal hand wringing since the election about the Republican Party's alleged urgent need to modify its stance on amnesty -- this, it's argued, is the key to improving Republican showing among Hispanic voters (Romney got about 22% of the Hispanic vote). As but one of many recent examples, see James Doti's November 16, 2012, opinion piece in the Orange County Register, a normally sensible newspaper.

Almost all this panicked chatter, Doti's included -- from both conservative commentators and Republican office holders -- is based on a willful refusal to see the obvious.

Those who argue that the Republican Party should endorse "a path to citizenship" for ten (twenty?) million illegals ignore the fundamental economic basis for the Democrats' tightening vise grip on the U.S. Hispanic vote: Hispanics, especially those of recent Mexican and Central American origin and their children, do not vote Democrat because they want open borders, but because they are eager for government benefits.

The Republican Party can't cure that economic reality, which is driving Hispanic allegiance to Democrats, by altering its stance on amnesty -- but it could fatally damage the Republican Party by that change.

The US sub-demographic of Mexican and Central American recent arrivals and their children constitutes an immense portion of the overall U.S. Hispanic population (in fact, it's a substantial majority), and its percentage among the U.S. Hispanic population would increase dramatically if a new amnesty were adopted. This sub-demographic is almost certainly voting Democrat in percentages far greater than the overall 2012 Hispanic Democrat vote of 71%.

Any weakening of the Republican Party's longstanding position on a second massive amnesty (President Reagan's 1986 mistake was the first) would be seen by Hispanics as insincere, Johnny-come-lately pandering, and for that reason alone would gain the Party few votes from Hispanics.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; california; illegals; immigration
The following can't be emphasized often enough:

Hispanics don't vote Democrat because Republicans believe the US has a real border with Mexico -- they vote Democrat because huge percentages of arriving Hispanics are impoverished third world immigrants or their children, and as such are natural clients of the welfare state. Despite the admirable eagerness of most Hispanics to work, they also want as many government benefits and as much public support as they can get. And by now their communities are very well informed about which political party has that on perpetual offer.


1 posted on 11/26/2012 7:38:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

NOTE ON PROPOSITION 30 ( WHERE CALIFORNIANS VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE ):

California whites did not vote for Proposition 30.

Hispanics, however, did vote for it IN LARGE NUMBERS.

In short, Democrats didn’t change Californians’ minds on taxes or two party government — it changed Californians.

It wants to do the same for the rest of the nation. A second amnesty would merely expedite the Democrats’ achievement of their chief goal: bringing to the whole of America the California demographics that brought third world political, economic, and tax conditions to California.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 7:40:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”Hispanics don't vote Democrat because Republicans believe the US has a real border with Mexico — they vote Democrat because huge percentages of arriving Hispanics are impoverished third world immigrants or their children, and as such are natural clients of the welfare state. Despite the admirable eagerness of most Hispanics to work, they also want as many government benefits and as much public support as they can get. And by now their communities are very well informed about which political party has that on perpetual offer. “
3 posted on 11/26/2012 7:43:52 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The following can't be emphasized often enough:

Hispanics don't vote Democrat because Republicans believe the US has a real border with Mexico -- they vote Democrat because huge percentages of arriving Hispanics are impoverished third world immigrants or their children, and as such are natural clients of the welfare state. Despite the admirable eagerness of most Hispanics to work, they also want as many government benefits and as much public support as they can get. And by now their communities are very well informed about which political party has that on perpetual offer.
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This is on the money, but Rush made an additional observation that I think is important. To illegal Mexican immigrants, the government is the source of wealth.
4 posted on 11/26/2012 7:44:09 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am curious for all Cali freepers, what does the CA-GOP do for outreach? Do they at least do some town halls and such? Or do they expect people to head against the wall and magically become Republicans?


5 posted on 11/26/2012 7:44:09 AM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

California is also an object lesson to what you get when RINOs control the GOP and preach liberal-lite.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 7:44:59 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pay for something and you generally find more people wanting to be on the receiving end.

I am beyond tired of the notion we need to take care of everyone who wishes to come here. If you have an employable skill, fine...if not, stay home.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 7:45:34 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: SeekAndFind
Facts are stubborn things and this one will not go away: When America has the demographics of California, it will also have the politics, economic policy and taxes of California:

Replace the word "California" with "Central America" - if you want to know where the US is headed, study the politics and economics of Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia.

8 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:16 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait until Californians realize that they have elected a veto-proof legislature.

Prop 13 stands a high chance of being unraveled by the Democrats. They hate that they cannot keep raising property taxes beyond the limits of Prop 13, and they cannot wait to remove those restrictions.

How many home owners in Calif will no longer be able to stay in their homes there????


9 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:28 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

AMNESTY Bill PING


10 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

“...the Republican party should be relentlessly directing a blinding spotlight on the now ongoing and unstoppable pillage of California — and reminding Americans of the Democratic Party-engineered demographic revolution that made possible the ongoing destruction of what was once the nation’s most vital and prosperous economy.”


11 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:41 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

When my husband emigrated here in the mid-80’s, we had to show that he had a marketable skill and would not be a burden on the Government. How far we have fallen.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 7:49:45 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

RE: When my husband emigrated here in the mid-80’s, we had to show that he had a marketable skill and would not be a burden on the Government.

___________________

Canada and Australia still have the Skilled Labor migration program ( the points system ) in place.

We say we have such a system but have nothing to show for it in practice... which is to say ... our immigration system is a joke.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 7:54:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: originalbuckeye
When my husband emigrated here in the mid-80’s, we had to show that he had a marketable skill and would not be a burden on the Government.

Nowadays, that kind of thing might get you deported. Only welfare cheats and layabouts need apply for naturalization in today's bizarro world!

14 posted on 11/26/2012 7:55:07 AM PST by ssaftler (It's mourning in America.)
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To: ssaftler

Greece had TWO illegal alien amnesty events. See how well they are doing?


15 posted on 11/26/2012 7:59:32 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: OrangeHoof

California is also an object lesson to what you get when RINOs control the GOP and preach liberal-lite.


I blame the Courts a lot more than the RHINOs. In the early-mid 90s, there was still a desire in CA to stop the madness with Prop 187, but the Courts overturned it. Actually, the Courts, with their ridiculous rulings starting in the 1960s, are the ones who have gradually cleared the way for unregulated immigration.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 7:59:50 AM PST by rbg81
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To: brownsfan

I have a friend who was brought here by his parents when he was 9. He is not legal. He does landscaping work. My conversations with him lead me to believe that neither he nor others in his community receive taxpayer funded benefits. When his family has to get medical treatment he either goes to the emergency room or the “clinic” and always pays cash for health services.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 8:00:26 AM PST by grumpa
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To: grumpa

RE: My conversations with him lead me to believe that neither he nor others in his community receive taxpayer funded benefit

Did you ask him if he voted in 2012?


18 posted on 11/26/2012 8:04:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: grumpa

“I have a friend who was brought here by his parents when he was 9. He is not legal. He does landscaping work. My conversations with him lead me to believe that neither he nor others in his community receive taxpayer funded benefits. When his family has to get medical treatment he either goes to the emergency room or the “clinic” and always pays cash for health services.”

Ok? So, are you telling me that most illegals don’t want government dependency, and therefore don’t vote Democrat? (In spite of the fact that they shouldn’t vote at all.)

If that’s the case, can you explain Obama’s re-election?

Or, are you just telling me you know one quality illegal family? Not hard to believe. In any group there will be outliers.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 8:07:58 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is going to be some very interesting times in the USA when the Hispanics with large populations are confronted with Islamists who also are growing by leaps and bounds. As of now both groups can work against traditional USA social foundations but as things are going the confrontations will change.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 8:11:44 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: grumpa

“My conversations with him lead me to believe that neither he nor others in his community receive taxpayer funded benefits.”

Really? ...... *blank stare*


21 posted on 11/26/2012 8:14:33 AM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Chalk up one more person who can’t grasp the idea that you can’t expect folks to vote for you, if you don’t ask them to.

Romney didn’t ask Hispanic Californians to vote for him. He didn’t make the case for Conservatism. To the Hispanics in California, Conservatism is the Republican party’s best kept secret.

In light of that, on what basis do we expect Hispanics to vote for the Conservative “as if” candidate?

The Republican party screwed their own interests in multiple ways on Hispanics, now try to read everything else as the problem.

1. We didn’t make an appeal to Hispanics
2. We didn’t try to sell Conservatism to Hispanics
3. We didn’t try to sell family values to them
4. We didn’t try to sell lower crime rates to them
5. We didn’t try to sell economic prosperity to them
6. We didn’t try to sell better education to them
7. We didn’t conduct one single campaign stop in California focused on the Hispanic populace there

Then...

1. We place the blame on our illegal immigration stance
2. We place the blame on greedy Hispanics

The level of ignorance within the Republican party when it comes to Hispanics, is astounding. We couldn’t be more clueless if we tried. And Lord knows we have tried our best.

The Republican party views with regard to amnesty, is that it has to take place.

No matter what takes place unrelated to Amnesty, the failure to achieve Amnesty is why Republicans fail with Hispanics. That’s the leadership’s premise, and I’ll be damned if they can think of ANYTHING else.

The Republican party is the potential employee who is angry at a prospective employer for not hiring them, when they didn’t show up to apply for the job, on the basis the employer was unwilling to hire them.

If we don’t file an application, we shouldn’t be surprised if we’re not hired.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 8:16:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am a Californian and I will be the first to my state is as screwed up as they come. The people here have their heads firmly up their buttholes. Everyone wants free stuff and no one gives a rat’s behind about our exploding debt and out of control public service unions. Illegal immigration is out of control. The youth have bleak prospects. Businesess are fleeing the state in droves and our unemployment remains among the third highests in the nation. We have just implemented Cap and Trade in CA, refuse to drill for our abundant oil resources, our provide the farmers with the water they need to protect the snail darter. Our politicians are Marxist wackos. The This is now one party state. The GOP is for all intents and purposes a phantom party. It holds no state offices, it has only 15 out 53 congressional districts, and tiny numbers in the state legislature. The GOP has been effectively pushed out of all of the state’s major metropolitan areas except for Orange County-—and the GOP is in decline there as well-—being pushed to the most remote and rural corners of the state.

That all said——yes California is a basket case and bankrupt to boot——however-——last I checked——the rest of the nation seems to be following suit. When I look at the electoral map, I see quite clearly that Obama still would have won the election without California’s electoral votes.

I know my state is screwed up as hell. What troubles me most is that the rest of the nation seems soooooo determined to follow our path into hell.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 8:17:26 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: DoughtyOne

National campaigns ignore ALL of CA, not just Hispanics.

During this past election, when I went in to volunteer at my local GOP HQ here in CA, they were making phone calls and organizing precinct walks in NEVADA!!!!

This is what it is like living in such a BLUE state. We don’t even try to win here anymore. It is SOOOOOOOOOOOO frustrating.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 8:21:24 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind

they will get amnesty...the battle now is how to fight in a post amnesty world

and it ain’t pretty

and yep...it has a racial and regional component

gonna be tough..not sure folks are up for it

I’ll likely be already dead


25 posted on 11/26/2012 8:24:23 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: ABQHispConservative

The Emigration to California from the east coast brought masses of Democrat voters into the once reliably Republican and certainly Golden state. That was bad enough, but it also brought on waves of east coast style Republicans (RINOs).

California has sunk from “Golden” status to a one party rule state led by Democrats, who are determined to sink it to 3rd world status.....sigh...

Coming to a state near you......


26 posted on 11/26/2012 8:29:55 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I understand that. I’ve argued the same thing here.

This article is addressing the lessons learned regarding Hispanics.

And while we’re at it, can someone please explain why the 14% Hispanic populace has ten times more clout with our elected officials, as the 60% plus non-Hispanic white voters do?

Their every whim is catered to. Our every whim is criticized as if we we’re members of the KGB and it was 1970.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 8:52:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

BTW: To your point about not even trying anymore, I totally agree. And yes, it is sooooooooooooooooooo frustrating.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 8:53:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Golden Shower state.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:48 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I seem to recall a war being fought over ‘taxation without representation’.


30 posted on 11/26/2012 8:59:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: DoughtyOne

Because they stick together, Whites have been indoctrinated into thinking we’re bad people if we do the same.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 9:05:05 AM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: crosshairs

Folks you can bash and trash CA all day long and Lord knows we DESERVE it. This state is perfectly awful in so many ways.

But I have some sobering news: Washington is even more screwed up. CA is bankrupt but the nation is in debt to the tune of $16 TRILLION. The only thing CA does not have that Washington has its own printing press or state Federal Reserve system to print up its own Monopoly money.

Does ANYONE out there actually believe that Washington DC is more restrained or disciplined than Sacramento?

CA bashing may be fun and easy——but the way I see it, the rest of the nation is just as bankrupt and bent upon its self destruction.


32 posted on 11/26/2012 9:07:24 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: NormsRevenge

“..I seem to recall a war being fought over ‘taxation without representation’....”

Yeah, but that war was started and fought by evil white slave-owner right-wing christian paramilitary domestic terrorist genocidal maniacs who stole the land from peace-loving, tranquil, prosperous Native Americans who loved everyone and everything and who lived in complete harmony until the evil white men got here...

So it doesn’t count...

/sarc off (as if I need to...)


33 posted on 11/26/2012 9:09:13 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Illegal migrants and Democrats have almost killed CA.”
Mr. Obvious


34 posted on 11/26/2012 9:12:53 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: DwFry
They stick together...

They stick together because we don't give them any alternative to support.

In the vacuum we've created, of course they vote for the only team that does seek their support.

Then we blame their actions on everything except the fact that we didn't even make an appeal to them.

35 posted on 11/26/2012 9:13:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does anyone really think the GOP will learn a lesson from this? LOL!


36 posted on 11/26/2012 9:14:06 AM PST by TADSLOS (LOSING BIG- The GOP legacy.)
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To: grumpa

if this is what you get
“My conversations with him lead me to believe that neither he nor others in his community receive taxpayer funded benefits.”
Then he is part of a really really small community.
Or you live in a state with a small illeal population.

I can tell you other states with bigger “ communities” of illegals see those illegals and their anchor babies draining our systems.

No one should try to pretend otherwise


37 posted on 11/26/2012 9:25:16 AM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: DoughtyOne

Those days are long...if they ever really existed.

What are you going to tell Latinos that will make them go against the reconquest of their race of North America?

Offer a jobs based on race? Promise a few more handouts based on race? Promise them the opportunity to work for something the government already gives them for free?

I really would like to share your belief but the reality is all around us. It’s all about taking power from Whitie at this point.


38 posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:06 AM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: originalbuckeye

In the ‘70s, a friend of mine wanted to emigrate here from Canada. She was an English-speaking, law-abiding person who had a job waiting for her here in LA. But her visa was denied because she’d be taking a job away from an American. We have indeed fallen far!

A few years after my friend was denied, I started seeing Mexican women in the grocery stores, speaking Spanish, lots of kids with them (but the women wore no wedding rings,) buying groceries with food stamps. I wondered why they were considered desirable immigrants and my friend wasn’t. Of course I quickly found out the women in the grocery stores were illegal. Soon apartment buildings in my neighborhood started installing security gates and bars on the windows. Graffiti, trash and blight increased. Signs in Spanish, young punks hanging around during the day making animal noises at women walking by, loud Latino music all night long, etc., etc., etc. And now California is almost completely ruined.

I’m glad some people are trying to talk sense into the Republicans, but I doubt it will do any good. They are bound and determined to have an amnesty, and it will be shoved down our throats.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 10:05:24 AM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: DoughtyOne
They stick together...

They stick together because we don't give them any alternative to support.
In the vacuum we've created, of course they vote for the only team that does seek their support.
Then we blame their actions on everything except the fact that we didn't even make an appeal to them.


Those days are long gone... if they ever really existed.  From my own personal experience, it's my take that the first mistake the Republicans make, is thinking that the Hispanics, operate as a single minded group.  We allow the Left to call us racists, utter all forms of untruth about us, then don't approach Hispanics to explain what the facts are.  Then we complain when our candidates don't get Hispanic votes.

For instance, did Romney approach the Hispanic community and explain that their own Hispanic small businessmen were being hampered by the glut of regulations raining down on them?  Did he explain to them how Obamacare would affect their small businesses?  Did he explain that the vast majority of Hispanics are employed by small businesses?  Did he bring some of these small business owners along with him to address the community?  No.  Number one, he didn't even address this community, and number two he didn't even TRY to explain why his policies were good for Hispanics.

There are many arguments to be made for rational Hispanic support of Conservative values.  We don't voice them.  They don't hear them.

What are you going to tell Latinos that will make them go against the reconquest of their race of North America?  Okay, then it's your take that ALL Hispanics are part of the Reconquista movement.  For the record, they aren't.  A small subset of Hispanics do advocate for this.  I would compare the movement to being the equivelant of the KKK.  Do all whites sympathize with the KKK?

Offer a jobs based on race?
Okay, then it's your take that making the claim that we're favor better policies for job creation than the Left does, is okay if the crowd is white.  It's somehow wrong if we make that same appeal in front of Hispanics.  There are many issues that are just as appealing to Hispanics, as they are to whites.  We have to get over the false premise that sound values can't appeal to Hispanics.  Why do we go weak in the knees when discussing sound values in front of minorities?  As it is, we deserve to lose those votes.

Promise a few more handouts based on race?  Who is advocating for that?  Some of us are advocating for the presentation of sound policies to Hispanics.  I don't personally know one Hispanic who is on welfare.  The Hispanics I know have jobs, work hard, and want things that are best for their families.  How is that any different than what you and I want?  And yet, we fail to appeal to these folks.  We have nobody to blame for our poor showing, than our Republican leaders who refuse to address Hispanics as real people with real concerns and real families that are also impacted by bad government policies.  

Promise them the opportunity to work for something the government already gives them for free?  The government doesn't give every Hispanic things for free.  Evidence of the adoption of the idea it does, reveals a flawed perception that touches on a number of other issues.  You really do need to rethink your perceptions regarding "ALL" Hispanics.  

I really would like to share your belief but the reality is all around us. It’s all about taking power from Whitie at this point.
  For a subsection of the full body of Hispanics, it is.  To extrapolate out that every Hispanic thinks in these terms is a very flawed premise.

We are failing the Hispanic community by not informing them of our policies.  What's worse, we're failing ourseves and more importantly the stability of our nation by not explaining our policies to them.

Without realizing it, you are spouting the beliefs of the Republican party leadership.  That mindset is killing us.

40 posted on 11/26/2012 10:25:45 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Do you think that if the California GOP were led by conservatives that the outcome would be different? Personally I highly doubt that the outcome could be averted. Arguing over lever or pully become increasingly moot as the mass increases. Btw, my representative is Darrell Issa, so there are still a few good things that can come out of California.


41 posted on 11/26/2012 10:39:07 AM PST by douginthearmy
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To: sickoflibs; wardaddy; SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...

Here is the basic problem. The Republican Party doesn’t stand for,or fight for anything anymore. All the vast majority of Republicans in D.C. care about is THEMSELVES, and how they will feather their nests before the collapse.

Since the mid 1980’s, neither party has done anything about illegals. The Dems want impoverished voters, and the Republicans (read Chamber of Commerce whores) wanted cheap labor. Making 20 million poor illegals LEGAL, will precipitate the demise of America....sooner rather than later.


42 posted on 11/26/2012 11:50:49 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ridesthemiles

It won’t be an issue for people who bought in the last 10 years or so, where the values have “V-shaped” back to the values of about 2003, currently. The notable exception is the Central Valley, where values have not increased since 2009.

The people who will be hardest hit will be senior citizens and retirees. Many paid off their homes and live on a fixed income, where $2-5K in annual taxes is palatable, but a move to $10-15K would force a sale.

I called my Assemblyman and they are planning to uncork Prop. 13 on commericial properties (retail, office, hotels, industrial, apartments) so there will be a giant sell-off and a lot of 1031 moving in and out of projects when the law hits.

The problem with the politicians is that they do not understand that if you raise a landlord’s taxes 10% then rents are sure to follow in being raised, too. Commercial owners, REIT’s, funds, management companies, in anticipation of this, as well as AB32 (Global Warming crap) that will raise utility rates, are making commercial tenants sign NNN leases (triple net).

This means that the tenant pays you rent, and absorbs all of the related costs to operate the property (taxes, insurance, repairs, management, utilties), in one sense, it insulates the landlord from unpredictable and irrational Liberal-driven costs the state imposes, but for some businesses, I’m afraid, will end up leaving at an even quicker pace than now.

California is dead, the body is decaying, but somehow it’s Weekend at Bernie’s. When the EBT cards stop working, look out.


43 posted on 11/26/2012 12:39:52 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The Left has made even someone as a rabid Right Winger like myself speak softly about issues in front of others in a business or social setting.

If I am having a converstaion with a Muslim co-worker (Afghani) or a gay person (client), I have to not go off on Sha’ria Law or HIV drug subsidies. If I meet my sister’s friends in Hollywood, we don’t discuss abortion or Obama, because they want free healthcare and the ability to cut Saturday night out of themselves, if needed.

We cannot be honest because, as Bill Whittle says, we do not believe our own story anymore. The Left owns us.


44 posted on 11/26/2012 12:50:22 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd

” We cannot be honest because, as Bill Whittle says, we do not believe our own story anymore”

I assume the WE is our party.


45 posted on 11/26/2012 1:18:03 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: TADSLOS

No, After the election I heard Hannity state that the repubs had to re-think the amnesty fight. I totally disagree.

My sister in law is from Russia. She has a degree and they have been married for 13 years. She goes back to Russia once a year to take care of her parents so she has not filed for citizenship.

She has to carry her green card where ever she goes. She got here the legal way and no one mentions how it effects her civil rights by having to show her papers


46 posted on 11/26/2012 1:35:52 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: SeekAndFind
You are, of course, right. What is more, those immigrants from third world countries that do actually share our values, are not threatened or hostile to the idea that most of us want to preserve the Anglo/Celtic culture that led to the Declaration & Constitutional values. (They do not hate those who made America possible.)

Moreover, where they have beem misled by the lies of the Leftists promoting class & ethnic conflict; they are reachable by simply treating all with mutual self-respect, even as we openly acknowledge that we do not want to see Americans of all the European stocks that came to later join the Anglo/Celtic founders, as well as the founders’ immediate posterity, dispossessed like the Hawaiians in the land of their fathers.

A little frank discussion with those who share our economic & most of our social values, would solve that part of the problem which is solvable. The alternative idea of winning elections by giving up our culture, is a definition of "winning" that deserves only contempt.

William Flax

47 posted on 11/26/2012 1:47:15 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: SeekAndFind

they also want as many government benefits and as much public support as they can get. And by now their communities are very well informed about which political party has that on perpetual offer...Sum it up any amnesty that passes, still leaves Mexico as it is and more illegals will follow these same illegals and arrive here wanting the same benefits the past illegals got and ask if they got it,why can’t we ?They got the dreamact,why can’t we ?


48 posted on 11/26/2012 3:36:43 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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